Hillary Clinton campaign advisers warn “don’t mention Israel” amongst activists

[Hossfly]

The usual moron Hossfly doesn't realize that Christians in Syria and Iraq were part of the ruling class until the U.S. decided to do its regime change thing. What an asshole.

Why don't you tell us, Monte Asshole/Moron (Monte's favorite words), how the Muslims invaded these countries when they left the Peninsula and forced the people to convert. The descendents of the ones who were lucky enough to escape the slaughter if they refused to convert, have had a hard time practicing their religion in these countries. Speak to a Copt and ask him how well he is able to practice his religion. Perhaps you can answer the question as to where these Christians should move to as well as where the Shiite and Ahmadiyaa Muslims should move to instead of their being murdered.

 

[jillian]

Hillary Clinton campaign advisers warn “don’t mention Israel” amongst activists
"Hillary Clinton shouldn’t mention Israel in her campaign’s launch speech because it wouldn’t play well with Democratic Party activists, several top campaign advisers agreed last year.

The discussion, contained in the latest batch of hacked emails from campaign chairman John Podesta, took place in May 2015, as Clinton advisers were working on the candidate’s launch speech and the language that would become her stump speech."

Agreed or disagreed?

agree or disagree with what?

that paid shills like putin's wikileaks dump?

and i don't recall dumb donald mentioning israel in *his* launch speech.... i remember him calling mexicans rapists.

do you think the white supremacists of the alt right are going to be good to jews and israel?

 

[Shusha]

So what is the definitive length of time an expelled people have to be, you know, expelled, before they lose all their rights? A year? A hundred years? A thousand years? Just curious what your objective parameters are.

A thousand years seems reasonable.

I think after a generation, rights become a matter of negotiation. When you go far back into history - there is no way of even knowing if the historical claims are accurate. It's kind of like paying reparations and the right of return issues.

Hmmm. Interesting. I actually go the other direction with that question. Any quantification is ultimately arbitrary. The morally correct answer, imo, is that a people who have been conquered, expelled, invaded, ethnically cleansed, whatever terms you want to attach to it, have an on-going, inherent, inviolable right to return to that land. This is especially true of indigenous cultures (pre-invasion cultures which originated on that territory). This right does not supersede or overthrow the rights of other cultures, but the right, itself, exists. This right is limited by the extent to which a culture can maintain its distinctiveness and integrity, by definition.

 

[Phoenall]

You mean cowards dont you, and eventually they have nowhere else to go and have to make a stand. Then sensible people leave of trying to kill them as they will only end up getting themselves and the rest of their family killed in the fallout.

No, i mean sensible people. Sensible people who don't fight a 70 year fucking war over a strip of desert because an Imaginary Fairy in the Sky promised it to them...

Wow. So ironic, given that you posted just today about the Jewish people MOVING from Europe to Israel, you know -- so that they could be safe from those who wanted to exterminate them.

Uh, the people who tried to exterminated them were defeated, so, no, the Hitler card was old in 1948... much less 2016.

So, let's spin this the other way and see how it sits with you. Since you are probably one of the people who believes Israel is committing a "slow genocide" on the Palestinians, and since Israel is clearly the superior power, why don't the Palestinians just MOVE?

Because they won't be forever.. Demographics aren't the Zionists friends...

And once again you resort to the much overused hate site mantra " because an Imaginary Fairy in the Sky promised it to them..." Something the Jews never say, just the Jew haters

Then how are you alive if the ones who tried to exterminate them were defeated. You are the new nazi breed along with the neo marxists and islamofascists who are the ones the Jews stopped running away from. And it is you bringing up Hitler all the time as it is the most often used term on the hate sites.


The way things are going it is because the muslims outnumber the Jews 5 million to 1 and still they cant defeat them. Back in 1948 they had a similar demographics and farmers with tractors kicked the crap out of them. Another of the hate site mantras is mentioning demographics all the time, we get it from monte and the other team palestine members.



You do realise that repeating the same mantras ad nuaseum only goes to show that you have a very small list of hate topics to fall back on. And these are getting smaller every day as we whittle them away and prove them to be hate speech and thus racism and incitement to violence

 

[Phoenall]

So what do you think, Joe, about the Muslims killing the Christians in the Middle East? Have you any suggestions as to where they should move to? How about the Sunnis being busy murdering the Shiites and Ahmadiyya Muslims in Pakistan? Maybe you have come up with a plan as to where they should move to.

Those people wouldn't be killed if we hadn't riled up the region to start with, this is what you don't seem to get.

Those Christian Communities existed there for hundreds of years. NO big deal. Then we went in, upset all the apple carts, and they all turned on each other like the Zombies had just shown up.

What a crock of shit, it is all down to the islamic religion that commands the muslims to fight to the last rather than give up one inch of land. Why are Americans being mass murdered in the US by muslims in the name of palestine, why are Britains being mass murdered in Britain by muslims in the name of palestine. Why are Europeans being mass murdered in Europeby muslims in the name of palestine. These are not their regions are they, so what gives them the right to mass murdewr innocents. Decent people call for the elimination of islam from the west, and from all the lands they have stolen over the generations

We were the Christian communities that went in and colonised the lands before islam was invented. Then after 635 C.E. the muslims turned into psychopathic mass murdering rapists and thieves. You really need to read some better history books if you want to stand on the same platform and debate the Holy Land


IT IS ALL DOWN TO THE MUSLIMS AND THEIR RELIGION COMMANDING THEM TO " KILL THE JEWS " AND " KILL THE UNBELIEVER " AND ALL BECAUSE THEIR SKY PIXIE TOLD THEM THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS THEIRS AND THEY HAVE TO ERADICATE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS/NON RELIGIOUS GROUPS

 

[JoeB131]

Who's we, paleface? Certainly not the United States.

"they all turned on each other like the Zombies had just shown up." Are you saying they're all liberal whackjobs?

I'm saying you lack the understanding of what I just wrote.

The middle east is not in turmoil because their sky pixie is worse than your sky pixie.

It's in turmoil because for the last 30 years, we've bombed, invaded or occupied 14 Islamic Countries, support truly awful governments and supported the universally hated Zionist Entity.

 

[JoeB131]

The way things are going it is because the muslims outnumber the Jews 5 million to 1 and still they cant defeat them. Back in 1948 they had a similar demographics and farmers with tractors kicked the crap out of them. Another of the hate site mantras is mentioning demographics all the time, we get it from monte and the other team palestine members.

The Zionists haven't won a war without the Americans bailing them out since 1967...

The Zionist entity only still exists because America props it up. Cut off the weapons, cut off the subsidies (we have plenty of things that need fixing in this country) and watch how fast they get driven into the sea.

 

[JoeB131]

What a crock of shit, it is all down to the islamic religion that commands the muslims to fight to the last rather than give up one inch of land. Why are Americans being mass murdered in the US by muslims in the name of palestine, why are Britains being mass murdered in Britain by muslims in the name of palestine. Why are Europeans being mass murdered in Europeby muslims in the name of palestine. These are not their regions are they, so what gives them the right to mass murdewr innocents. Decent people call for the elimination of islam from the west, and from all the lands they have stolen over the generations

Okay, guy, now you are babbling.

If people in the west are being killed by Muslims, it's because WE STARTED IT!

If you stick your dick in a hornet's nest, one of them hornets is going to sting you.

 

[Phoenall]

Who's we, paleface? Certainly not the United States.

"they all turned on each other like the Zombies had just shown up." Are you saying they're all liberal whackjobs?

I'm saying you lack the understanding of what I just wrote.

The middle east is not in turmoil because their sky pixie is worse than your sky pixie.

It's in turmoil because for the last 30 years, we've bombed, invaded or occupied 14 Islamic Countries, support truly awful governments and supported the universally hated Zionist Entity.

But only if you read the hate sites that lay everything at Israel's feet. There is a drought in Syria it is the fault of Israel, there is an earthquake in Iraq it is the Israelis testing new weapons. Get the drift

You need to go back 1400 years for the reasons, but that would mean you and the hate sites are wrong and Israel is right

 

[Phoenall]

The way things are going it is because the muslims outnumber the Jews 5 million to 1 and still they cant defeat them. Back in 1948 they had a similar demographics and farmers with tractors kicked the crap out of them. Another of the hate site mantras is mentioning demographics all the time, we get it from monte and the other team palestine members.

The Zionists haven't won a war without the Americans bailing them out since 1967...

The Zionist entity only still exists because America props it up. Cut off the weapons, cut off the subsidies (we have plenty of things that need fixing in this country) and watch how fast they get driven into the sea.

Because there has not been any since 1967 when the Israeli's showed the world how to deal with illegal warmongering.

And when did the US bail them out ? Give details and dates ..................

Do all that and watch how quickly your country goes to the dogs with mass unemployment and a nil credit rating. And Israel will still be there buying weapons from China and Russia at much more favorable terms.

Cut of the handouts to islam and you could employ all your workshy repairing the roads, building new schools and such like and still be safe in your bed. The muslims get 10 to 20 times the amount Israel does and you have fought more wars for them in the last 10 years that you have fought for Israel in the last 5,000

 

[Phoenall]

What a crock of shit, it is all down to the islamic religion that commands the muslims to fight to the last rather than give up one inch of land. Why are Americans being mass murdered in the US by muslims in the name of palestine, why are Britains being mass murdered in Britain by muslims in the name of palestine. Why are Europeans being mass murdered in Europeby muslims in the name of palestine. These are not their regions are they, so what gives them the right to mass murdewr innocents. Decent people call for the elimination of islam from the west, and from all the lands they have stolen over the generations

Okay, guy, now you are babbling.

If people in the west are being killed by Muslims, it's because WE STARTED IT!

If you stick your dick in a hornet's nest, one of them hornets is going to sting you.

No I am hitting you with the truth and facts that it is not Israel to blame but the muslims and you cant handle it. All you have is the LIES you glean from the hate sites and you cant take seeing the muslims are mass murdering innocents all over the world and using palestine as an excuse. Because that is all it is an excuse to be muslims to the core. If Israel ceased to exist tommorrow they would find another excuse, and you would follow like a little lost lamb

 

[Divine Wind]

I'm saying you lack the understanding of what I just wrote.

The middle east is not in turmoil because their sky pixie is worse than your sky pixie.

It's in turmoil because for the last 30 years, we've bombed, invaded or occupied 14 Islamic Countries, support truly awful governments and supported the universally hated Zionist Entity.

Of course you do. That's your standard reponse to those who disagree with you or, worse, ask you to backup your opinion with facts.

Example, while you chose to go off on a rant about a "sky pixie", the fact remains the modern ME is a direct result of the Sykes-Picot Agreement made between France and England in 1916 to divide up the Ottoman Empire post-WWI. Neither the US nor "sky pixies" had anything to do with it. Your denial of these facts and obvious desire to favor that it's the fault of both the US and religious believers is very revealing of your narrow ideas on the matter.

You continually attack religious believers as being the cause of problems yet it's obvious it's your religious beliefs are the ones falsely attributing problems contrary to the truth.

...If people in the west are being killed by Muslims, it's because WE STARTED IT!

If you stick your dick in a hornet's nest, one of them hornets is going to sting you.

Another misconception, if not a bald-faced lie as I just noted.

 

[JoeB131]

[
But only if you read the hate sites that lay everything at Israel's feet. There is a drought in Syria it is the fault of Israel, there is an earthquake in Iraq it is the Israelis testing new weapons. Get the drift

You need to go back 1400 years for the reasons, but that would mean you and the hate sites are wrong and Israel is right

Guy, if you want to argue with what people say on hate sites, go over there and argue with them.

Do all that and watch how quickly your country goes to the dogs with mass unemployment and a nil credit rating. And Israel will still be there buying weapons from China and Russia at much more favorable terms.

Actually, your miserable Apartheid state could be pushed into the sea, and we'd barely notice.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course you do. That's your standard reponse to those who disagree with you or, worse, ask you to backup your opinion with facts.

Example, while you chose to go off on a rant about a "sky pixie", the fact remains the modern ME is a direct result of the Sykes-Picot Agreement made between France and England in 1916 to divide up the Ottoman Empire post-WWI. Neither the US nor "sky pixies" had anything to do with it. Your denial of these facts and obvious desire to favor that it's the fault of both the US and religious believers is very revealing of your narrow ideas on the matter.

You continually attack religious believers as being the cause of problems yet it's obvious it's your religious beliefs are the ones falsely attributing problems contrary to the truth.

Uh, guy, the border between Turkey and Iraq isn't the problem. The fact that millions of European Jews are taking a whiz on Islam's holiest land is.

 

[JoeB131]

Another misconception, if not a bald-faced lie as I just noted.

Uh, actually, I'll go one further.

Who sponsored Saddam? We did. Until he turned on us.
Who sponsored Bin Laden- We did. Until he turned on us.

We have a policy of not only sticking our dicks in the hornet's nest,but growing bigger and nastier hornets.

 

[Divine Wind]

Of course you do. That's your standard reponse to those who disagree with you or, worse, ask you to backup your opinion with facts.

Example, while you chose to go off on a rant about a "sky pixie", the fact remains the modern ME is a direct result of the Sykes-Picot Agreement made between France and England in 1916 to divide up the Ottoman Empire post-WWI. Neither the US nor "sky pixies" had anything to do with it. Your denial of these facts and obvious desire to favor that it's the fault of both the US and religious believers is very revealing of your narrow ideas on the matter.

You continually attack religious believers as being the cause of problems yet it's obvious it's your religious beliefs are the ones falsely attributing problems contrary to the truth.

Uh, guy, the border between Turkey and Iraq isn't the problem. The fact that millions of European Jews are taking a whiz on Islam's holiest land is.

It's clear you are refusing to acknowledge the full, contextual facts of history and only seek to distort/revise history for your own prejudices.

Another misconception, if not a bald-faced lie as I just noted.

Uh, actually, I'll go one further.

Who sponsored Saddam? We did. Until he turned on us.
Who sponsored Bin Laden- We did. Until he turned on us.

We have a policy of not only sticking our dicks in the hornet's nest,but growing bigger and nastier hornets.

Another 9./11 Truther. I should have known. LOL

 

[JoeB131]

Another 9./11 Truther. I should have known. LOL

Hardly. But the fact is, here's Ronnie reagan meeting with the Taliban.

Here's an article from 1998 that spells out BinLaden's ties to the CIA. This was written BEFORE 9-11.

Bin Laden comes home to roost

At the CIA, it happens often enough to have a code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the term describing an agent, an operative or an operation that has turned on its creators. Osama bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback. And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you sow.

s his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.

Yet the CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan made famous by Rudyard Kipling, found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to “read” than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable” partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.

it's an interesting read if you care to be educated.

 

[Phoenall]

[
But only if you read the hate sites that lay everything at Israel's feet. There is a drought in Syria it is the fault of Israel, there is an earthquake in Iraq it is the Israelis testing new weapons. Get the drift

You need to go back 1400 years for the reasons, but that would mean you and the hate sites are wrong and Israel is right

Guy, if you want to argue with what people say on hate sites, go over there and argue with them.

Do all that and watch how quickly your country goes to the dogs with mass unemployment and a nil credit rating. And Israel will still be there buying weapons from China and Russia at much more favorable terms.

Actually, your miserable Apartheid state could be pushed into the sea, and we'd barely notice.

Why when they come here and try to pass of the LIES found there as truth. I can argue here until they are sick of being shown up and then are forced to play their last card and put me on ignore. This shows they dont have a valid argument and are just here to demonise the Jews



Once again the hate site mantra without any evidence to sustain your claim. What act of apartheid has Israel committed that is not done by the USA ?

 

[Coyote]

So what is the definitive length of time an expelled people have to be, you know, expelled, before they lose all their rights? A year? A hundred years? A thousand years? Just curious what your objective parameters are.

A thousand years seems reasonable.

I think after a generation, rights become a matter of negotiation. When you go far back into history - there is no way of even knowing if the historical claims are accurate. It's kind of like paying reparations and the right of return issues.

Hmmm. Interesting. I actually go the other direction with that question. Any quantification is ultimately arbitrary. The morally correct answer, imo, is that a people who have been conquered, expelled, invaded, ethnically cleansed, whatever terms you want to attach to it, have an on-going, inherent, inviolable right to return to that land. This is especially true of indigenous cultures (pre-invasion cultures which originated on that territory). This right does not supersede or overthrow the rights of other cultures, but the right, itself, exists. This right is limited by the extent to which a culture can maintain its distinctiveness and integrity, by definition.

I agreed....any quantification is arbritrary, but so is the existence of those rights. There are always people who came before and people who came after and when it comes to ancient history - the accounting of events may not even be accurate. To base rights upon that has to potential to disenfrachise the rights of other peoples in the process. It seems very subjective to me. I use the Palestinians "right of return" as an example - does it apply just to those who were expelled? Or...their sons and daughters? Or, down through the generations to the end of time? And, what do those rights mean? That they have a right to go live there regardless of who's already there or immigration laws?

You say the right is limited...but what's the point of a "right" if it can't be expressed?

And why is the right limited by the "extent to which a culture can maintain its distinctiveness and integrity, by definition." - is not that arbritrary?

When I think of rights, I think of something intrinsic, inalienable. A culture doesn't have rights. A state doesn't have rights. An individual does. A state can choose to recognize rights, but it doesn't grant them.

 

[Shusha]

The fact that millions of European Jews are taking a whiz on Islam's holiest land is.

Islam's holiest land?!

You've got to be kidding me.