Hillary Clinton campaign advisers warn “don’t mention Israel” amongst activists

[Divine Wind]

so you think changing a letter or two is an argument?

Yup, those Palestinians just made up being Palestinians in the 1960's, those scamps!

So you think cutting and pasting a map you found with a cursory internet search suddenly re-writes history and makes the geographic area of Pal'istan a "country"?

Wow. I'll have to search the Internet and find the borders of the country called the Bible Belt.

Yes, he does. JoeB131 claims to have a degree in history, but he refuses to say from where. Due to his proclivity of "cutting and pasting" history, it's obvious either his degree is bogus or he never learned anything.

All historians and most intelligent people know that Palestine was never a sovereign nation. It was a chunk of the Ottoman Empire which the Brits and French carved up for each other like a Christmas goose. The Brits took over the "territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern part of the Vilayet of Syria, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros".

British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) - Wikipedia
The British Mandate for Palestine, shortly Mandate for Palestine, or the Palestine Mandate was a League of Nations mandate for the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern part of the Vilayet of Syria,[1] the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.

The draft of the Mandate for Palestine was formally confirmed by the Council of the League of Nations on 24 July 1922, supplemented via the 16 September 1922 Trans-Jordan memorandum[2][3] and then came into effect on 29 September 1923[2] following the ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne.[4][5]The Mandate of Palestine was superseded with UN Charter, Chapter XII, Article 80 UN Trusteeship Agreement, [6]UNGA 181 of November 29th 1947. Government of State of Israel was proclaimed on 14 May 1948. The Palestine Mandate was State of Palestine Trusteeship Territory administrated by the United Kingdom from September 29th 1922 to November 29th 1947.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, he does. JoeB131 claims to have a degree in history, but he refuses to say from where. Due to his proclivity of "cutting and pasting" history, it's obvious either his degree is bogus or he never learned anything.

Again, I got mine from a real university, as opposed to the Talking Snake U you got yours from.

All historians and most intelligent people know that Palestine was never a sovereign nation. It was a chunk of the Ottoman Empire which the Brits and French carved up for each other like a Christmas goose.

And that's the fucking point. they never asked the people who lived there what THEY wanted. They just dumped in a bunch of people they hoped would do their bidding.

Israel is the last vestige of European Imperialism, which was always one of the worlds great evils.

 

[montelatici]

so you think changing a letter or two is an argument?

Yup, those Palestinians just made up being Palestinians in the 1960's, those scamps!

So you think cutting and pasting a map you found with a cursory internet search suddenly re-writes history and makes the geographic area of Pal'istan a "country"?

Wow. I'll have to search the Internet and find the borders of the country called the Bible Belt.

Yes, he does. JoeB131 claims to have a degree in history, but he refuses to say from where. Due to his proclivity of "cutting and pasting" history, it's obvious either his degree is bogus or he never learned anything.

All historians and most intelligent people know that Palestine was never a sovereign nation. It was a chunk of the Ottoman Empire which the Brits and French carved up for each other like a Christmas goose. The Brits took over the "territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern part of the Vilayet of Syria, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros".

British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) - Wikipedia
The British Mandate for Palestine, shortly Mandate for Palestine, or the Palestine Mandate was a League of Nations mandate for the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern part of the Vilayet of Syria,[1] the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.

The draft of the Mandate for Palestine was formally confirmed by the Council of the League of Nations on 24 July 1922, supplemented via the 16 September 1922 Trans-Jordan memorandum[2][3] and then came into effect on 29 September 1923[2] following the ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne.[4][5]The Mandate of Palestine was superseded with UN Charter, Chapter XII, Article 80 UN Trusteeship Agreement, [6]UNGA 181 of November 29th 1947. Government of State of Israel was proclaimed on 14 May 1948. The Palestine Mandate was State of Palestine Trusteeship Territory administrated by the United Kingdom from September 29th 1922 to November 29th 1947.

What does it matter that Palestine was not a sovereign nation? Does that give anyone the right to remove the native people to make room for people from another continent? I don't get your logic. That's like saying it would be ok to remove the Kurds from the areas they live in to make room for Gypsies that need a National Home because there was never a Kurdish state.

 

[Divine Wind]

And that's the fucking point. they never asked the people who lived there what THEY wanted. They just dumped in a bunch of people they hoped would do their bidding.

Israel is the last vestige of European Imperialism, which was always one of the worlds great evils.

Nice flip-flop from your previous post. LOL

...The middle east is not in turmoil because their sky pixie is worse than your sky pixie.

It's in turmoil because for the last 30 years, we've bombed, invaded or occupied 14 Islamic Countries, support truly awful governments and supported the universally hated Zionist Entity.

Okay, guy, now you are babbling.

If people in the west are being killed by Muslims, it's because WE STARTED IT!

If you stick your dick in a hornet's nest, one of them hornets is going to sting you.

 

[Divine Wind]

What does it matter that Palestine was not a sovereign nation? Does that give anyone the right to remove the native people to make room for people from another continent? I don't get your logic. That's like saying it would be ok to remove the Kurds from the areas they live in to make room for Gypsies that need a National Home because there was never a Kurdish state.

What difference does it make? LOL

Legally, a lot of difference. Let's not forget it was the Brits and French who carved up the Ottoman Empire and drew the lines of what we now know as the Middle East. With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, even if the Brits and French hadn't taken over, a lot of old rivalries and disputes would have surfaced just like happened in the Balkans when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Look at the present disputes of the Kurds, Sunnis and Shias. Do you think that is new or something that is centuries old and only surfaced after the Ottomans disappeared? The desire of Jews to return to Israel isn't new and didn't happen after 1916 or 1945. It's been an idea ever since the Diaspora.

 

[montelatici]

What does it matter that Palestine was not a sovereign nation? Does that give anyone the right to remove the native people to make room for people from another continent? I don't get your logic. That's like saying it would be ok to remove the Kurds from the areas they live in to make room for Gypsies that need a National Home because there was never a Kurdish state.

What difference does it make? LOL

Legally, a lot of difference. Let's not forget it was the Brits and French who carved up the Ottoman Empire and drew the lines of what we now know as the Middle East. With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, even if the Brits and French hadn't taken over, a lot of old rivalries and disputes would have surfaced just like happened in the Balkans when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Look at the present disputes of the Kurds, Sunnis and Shias. Do you think that is new or something that is centuries old and only surfaced after the Ottomans disappeared?

Non sequitor. Legality has nothing to do with it. If the U.S. decided to create a Roma National Home in areas where Kurds live in Iraq, after defeating and during the occupation of Iraq, would it be ok with you because there was never a Kurdish state?

 

[Divine Wind]

Non sequitor. Legality has nothing to do with it. If the U.S. decided to create a Roma National Home in areas where Kurds live in Iraq, after defeating and during the occupation of Iraq, would it be ok with you because there was never a Kurdish state?

If legality has nothing to do with it, then why have laws? Why was there a British mandate for Palestine? Why have the League of Nations or the United Nations bother to recognize or rule on anything?

 

[montelatici]

Legality has nothing to do with it because there is no law that condones the removal and dispossession of native people from a territory to make room for other people just because the native people never ruled a sovereign state. You were claiming that it was legal to remove and dispossess the Christians and Muslims of Palestine to make room for European Jews because the Christians and Muslims never ruled a sovereign state of Palestine. I'm saying you are full of crap and are just parroting Zionist propaganda you read on the internet without thinking about the ridiculousness of the assertion. It matters not a wit if the native Christians and Muslims never had a state before. Removing and dispossessing them to make room for people from Europe was not legal. It was a crime.

 

[Divine Wind]

....You were claiming that it was legal to remove and dispossess the Christians and Muslims of Palestine to make room for European Jews because the Christians and Muslims never ruled a sovereign state of Palestine.....

Look, if you want to post lies, I can't stop you. I can only disagree.

If you want to move goalposts, I can't stop you. I can only disagree.

Have a nice day with your lies and goalpost moving.

 

[montelatici]

There was no lies, just facts. You bought a Zionist meme, i.e. "it was ok to remove the Christians and Muslims and dispossess them because they did not have a sovereign state", and you parrot it. There was no goal post moving. You were just shown to be a fraud.

 

[Divine Wind]

There was no lies, just facts. You bought a Zionist meme, i.e. "it was ok to remove the Christians and Muslims and dispossess them because they did not have a sovereign state", and you parrot it. There was no goal post moving. You were just shown to be a fraud.

Dude, I never said any such thing. Feel free to cite the quote if you think I did. If you cannot, then please be man enough to admit you lied.

 

[montelatici]

Your post no. 161:

"All historians and most intelligent people know that Palestine was never a sovereign nation..............."

 

[Divine Wind]

Your post no. 161:

"All historians and most intelligent people know that Palestine was never a sovereign nation..............."

Are you saying that isn't true?

Where is the proof of your claim that I said "it was ok to remove the Christians and Muslims and dispossess them because they did not have a sovereign state"?

Either come up with a quote or admit you are a liar.

 

[Phoenall]

Obviously, you need to understand the islamic revulsion of Israel (and manipulative references to The Plight of The Poor, Oppressed Palestinians™) in terms of Islamic ideology. You also need to understand the Islamist concept of waqf. That concept is what drives islam'istan thus allowing the "Pal'istinians" to be used as convenient cannon-fodder in the vilification (and hoped-for destruction) of Israel.

Yawn, honey, back in the sixties, it was because the Palestinians were all communists who hated Israel and Freedom.

Now in the Oughts it's because they are Islamists who hate Jesus. and Freedom.

It'll be some other fucking lame ass excuse in another 20 years.

And all this can be found in the ramblings of drugged up haters on the neo nazi, white supremacist and islamonazi sites that peddle Jew hatred.



Not one link to prove your claims making you the typical neo nazi LIAR

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews fought the far superior forces of the arab nations supplied with Russian weapons, the Jews had to buy their weapons at full price. They had no American tacticians in the field of battle with them telling them what to do, or a steady supply of light weapons to fall back on. So how did the inferior forces of Israel destroy the superior forces of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, UAE and other islamic nations time and time again.

Well, they haven't. Let's roll that beautiful Bean Footage, shall we.

1947- Zionists armed with western weapons defeat Arab nations - most of which only recently won their independence from the UK and France. Only barely manage to steal a little more land than the British had alloted them.

1956 - Zionists conspire with British and French to illegal seize the Suez Canal. The USA and USSR pressured them to knock that shit off. end result was that egypt got control of the Canal.

1967- Zionists launch sneak attack on Arab countries. This is really their only "Victory", I suppose.

1973- Egypt and Syria initially kicked the Zionists ass. Then Golda Meier tells Nixon and Jew Kissinger that she'll launch the nukes if Israel loses, so we dumped a shitload of replacement planes and tanks in there.

1982- Israel invades Lebanon, gets bogged down for years, needs the americans to bail them out.

1987 - First INfantada ends in a stalemate. Hamas is formed.

1990- Zionists manipulate the US into attacking Iraq, which was none of our fucking business.

2000 - Second Infantada- Israel fails to defeat PLO and Hamas again.

2006- Israel invades Lebanon. Spectacular fail.

2007- Israel attacks Gaza.

2014 - Zionists attack Gaza again.

Yes, so most of those are a state actor beating up on refugees and shit, not some glorious war...

But again.... Fighting a what, 70 year war now because a Magic Sky Pixie promised you a strip of desert?

That's all manner of stupid.

1947 the Jews had outdated single shot rifles and muzzle loaders, the arab league had state of the art Russian semi automatics, tanks, fighters and some light bombers

1956 the Egyptians attack the British and steal the Suez canal because they wanted all the revenue

1967 Egypt masses its forces on the border with Israel and tells the UN to leave of suffer the consequences. They plan a dawn raid on Israel on June 6th and the Russian ambassador tells them they cant help them if they do as it would involve America. Israel attacks first on the information of the planned raid that was cancelled. Syria and Jordan go ahead with their attacks and end up being beaten.

1973 still no link to support your claims

1982 the PLO attacks Israel from lebanon and gets kicked back into syria. Israel tries a war of attritian that fails

1987 first intifad results in the seperation barrier that the arab muslims claim stops them from murdering Jewish children

1990 the Americans defend themselves in Kuwait against attacks by Iraq. No zionist involvement but plenty of Soviet

2000 second intifada fizzles out

2006 Israel responds to hezbollock terrorist attacks and refuses to return fire when hezbollocks uses Christians as human shields

2007 after 3 years of constant illegal attacks Israel responds with force and forces hamas to its knees

2014 after rebuilding its weapons hamas once again attacks Israel with illegal weapons and parts of gaza are destroyed completely

This is the truth as detailed in all decent history books. And all you have is the hate site mantra to justify your POV

That is what is stupid, and you are 12 kinds if stupid to believe the hate site mantras

 

[Phoenall]

Sorry, pumpkin. It was in the late sixties when Arafat invented the Pal'istanians. He added an invented name to an invented people with an invented "nationality".

Your clichés and slogans are a waste of bandwidth.

Really...

British map from 1929. NO Israel, says Palestine.

Does not say nation of palestine does it as it is the mandate of palestine. Just as it does not say Jordan either

 

[Phoenall]

so you think changing a letter or two is an argument?

Yup, those Palestinians just made up being Palestinians in the 1960's, those scamps!

Yes they did as before then it was a grave insult to call an arab muslim a palestinian. Look it up on the internet and see what it says

 

[Phoenall]

So you think cutting and pasting a map you found with a cursory internet search suddenly re-writes history and makes the geographic area of Pal'istan a "country"?

Wow. I'll have to search the Internet and find the borders of the country called the Bible Belt.

I do like how you call it "Pal-istan". Nothing makes a bunch of people scarier than putting 'istan" behind their names. Another cute trick.

The Zionists have been pulling this trick for years. Find out what scares the west and get them to bankroll your crazy schemes.

According to the hate sites that give you all your information, and yet not one piece of evidence to support your claim.

 

[Phoenall]

Your post no. 161:

"All historians and most intelligent people know that Palestine was never a sovereign nation..............."

And you have failed to prove otherwise repeatedly

 

[Phoenall]

Your post no. 161:

"All historians and most intelligent people know that Palestine was never a sovereign nation..............."

Are you saying that isn't true?

Where is the proof of your claim that I said "it was ok to remove the Christians and Muslims and dispossess them because they did not have a sovereign state"?

Either come up with a quote or admit you are a liar.

He will put you on ignore if you keep asking him to prove his claims. He does not like being shown up all the time like this, he has not grown up yet.