"Health is a right"

[Call Sign Chaos]

The only specific right I've seen in the constitution or amendments is where it says our right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

See amendment 1 for starters.

 

[PredFan]

Many people say that the government can't grant you rights, that the government only exists to protect the rights you already have - given by your Creator as the D of I says.

With this thread you see the clear flaw in that argument (one I've pointed out many a time)

Who decides what are and aren't your natural rights?

Ask the God and Natural Rights morons to explain - prohibition?

1. Prohibition was an overreach by the government and was repealed. They did not grant us the right to drink. They took their unlawful restriction on our rights away.

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

 

[task0778]

What kind of right is it?

It should be a right in the same manner education is a right.

Why

Because the health of the nation's people is at least as important as their education.

It is the right of every American child to receive a basic K-12 education regardless of the ability to pay for it.

That is how healthcare should be, but for all Americans of all ages.

No, i have no right to health care but i do have a right to earn my health care...

I'll sign up to this, a right is not provided by gov't legislation. If the gov't can give it to you then the gov't can also take it away and that's not the definition of a right.

 

[initforme]

it's about taking care of oneself. Life liberty and the false pursuit of happiness do not exist. poorly thought out rhetoric.

 

[jasonnfree]

It should be a right in the same manner education is a right.

I fully agree. Neither is a right.

Education is guaranteed as a right in every state.

Not only is it a right, it's mandatory to the extent that a parent will be jailed if his kid isn't in school. Even if the kid can ace all the tests, don't matter, gotta have that forced education-indoctrination.

 

[Staidhup]

The right to secure, purchase, and posses healthcare coverage is a right as with the purchasing of land, goods and services, ...as defined under the rights guaranteeing the freedom of commerce,however, there is no right stipulating the government should pay the expense for this privilege. It is a privilege not to be viewed as a financial obligation of the Federal or State government.

Until there is tort reform, freedom to purchase healthcare coverage over state lines, defined risk pool participation options available, the free open market is unable to engage in competition which is the primary motivator in decreasing expense.

As a compassionate society legislators should be focusing on the issues that escalate healthcare expense and nothing else before they pass any laws concerning healthcare. The blatant protection of legal profession at the expense of people is disgusting. Tort reform is the largest obstacle to affordable healthcare.

Nothing is free!

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Ron Reagan passed a law saying sick have to be treated even if they don't have insurance.
So yeah, that's kind of a right .

Wanna bet?

These days....after Obamacare was passed.....that no longer works.

Since the passing of Obamacare, Hospitals now "Refer" patients with no insurance to clinics outside the hospital. These are not "Free" clinics at all but rather private practice clinics.

In this way, they skirt the law by reasoning that they "saw" you and maybe addressed a life threatening emergency, but once stabilized....told you where you could go for any further treatment.......God help you if you don't have the means or insurance.

So the BS that Democrats "care" is the biggest line of horseshit you'll ever smell.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The right to secure, purchase, and posses healthcare coverage is a right as with the purchasing of land, goods and services, ...as defined under the rights guaranteeing the freedom of commerce,however, there is no right stipulating the government should pay the expense for this privilege. It is a privilege not to be viewed as a financial obligation of the Federal or State government.

Until there is tort reform, freedom to purchase healthcare coverage over state lines, defined risk pool participation options available, the free open market is unable to engage in competition which is the primary motivator in decreasing expense.

As a compassionate society legislators should be focusing on the issues that escalate healthcare expense and nothing else before they pass any laws concerning healthcare. The blatant protection of legal profession at the expense of people is disgusting. Tort reform is the largest obstacle to affordable healthcare.

Nothing is free!

Well said !

 

[NYcarbineer]

You make it impossible for someone to get health care when they can't afford it

You know why they can't afford health care?

Because of the government's constant intrusion into the health care marketplace.

And what do you dumb fucks insist on to fix it? MORE government interference!

Jesus H. Christ.

Is the reason that poor families can't afford to buy brand new cars the government's fault?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Many people say that the government can't grant you rights, that the government only exists to protect the rights you already have - given by your Creator as the D of I says.

With this thread you see the clear flaw in that argument (one I've pointed out many a time)

Who decides what are and aren't your natural rights?

Ask the God and Natural Rights morons to explain - prohibition?

1. Prohibition was an overreach by the government and was repealed. They did not grant us the right to drink. They took their unlawful restriction on our rights away.

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

 

[PredFan]

Many people say that the government can't grant you rights, that the government only exists to protect the rights you already have - given by your Creator as the D of I says.

With this thread you see the clear flaw in that argument (one I've pointed out many a time)

Who decides what are and aren't your natural rights?

Ask the God and Natural Rights morons to explain - prohibition?

1. Prohibition was an overreach by the government and was repealed. They did not grant us the right to drink. They took their unlawful restriction on our rights away.

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ask the God and Natural Rights morons to explain - prohibition?

1. Prohibition was an overreach by the government and was repealed. They did not grant us the right to drink. They took their unlawful restriction on our rights away.

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

The government granted you the right to bear arms didn't it?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ask the God and Natural Rights morons to explain - prohibition?

1. Prohibition was an overreach by the government and was repealed. They did not grant us the right to drink. They took their unlawful restriction on our rights away.

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

So you agree that abortion and same sex marriage are inalienable rights that, eventually, the government recognized and thus began to secure...

eh?

 

[PredFan]

1. Prohibition was an overreach by the government and was repealed. They did not grant us the right to drink. They took their unlawful restriction on our rights away.

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

The government granted you the right to bear arms didn't it?

No idiot. that was already a right, the British tried to take it away. That's why it's there.

 

[PredFan]

1. Prohibition was an overreach by the government and was repealed. They did not grant us the right to drink. They took their unlawful restriction on our rights away.

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

So you agree that abortion and same sex marriage are inalienable rights that, eventually, the government recognized and thus began to secure...

eh?

No. You do not have a right to kill, and marriage of any kind is a liberty. How fucking stupid are you? How many times do you have to get your ass kicked before you stop saying the same stupid shit?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

So you agree that abortion and same sex marriage are inalienable rights that, eventually, the government recognized and thus began to secure...

eh?

No. You do not have a right to kill, and marriage of any kind is a liberty. How fucking stupid are you? How many times do you have to get your ass kicked before you stop saying the same stupid shit?

Who decided that? Who decided that a fetus cannot be aborted?

Who decided that same sex marriage cannot be a right equivalent to the right of man/woman couples to marry?

Who decided that freedom of the press is a right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

The government granted you the right to bear arms didn't it?

No idiot. that was already a right, the British tried to take it away. That's why it's there.

Who decided that was a right? A supernatural being dubbed the Creator?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It wasn't legislation it was a constitutional amendment ratified by the states.

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

So you agree that abortion and same sex marriage are inalienable rights that, eventually, the government recognized and thus began to secure...

eh?

No. You do not have a right to kill, and marriage of any kind is a liberty. How fucking stupid are you? How many times do you have to get your ass kicked before you stop saying the same stupid shit?

Pretending you've kicked my ass makes you the ass.

 

[PredFan]

Correct. Still wasn't a right granted by the government.

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

So you agree that abortion and same sex marriage are inalienable rights that, eventually, the government recognized and thus began to secure...

eh?

No. You do not have a right to kill, and marriage of any kind is a liberty. How fucking stupid are you? How many times do you have to get your ass kicked before you stop saying the same stupid shit?

Who decided that? Who decided that a fetus cannot be aborted?

Who decided that same sex marriage cannot be a right equivalent to the right of man/woman couples to marry?

Who decided that freedom of the press is a right?

Shut up dumbass. You aren't smart enough to be talking.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All rights are granted by the government because the government decides what will or will not BE a right.

Wrong and stupid. But right along your mental abilities.

So you agree that abortion and same sex marriage are inalienable rights that, eventually, the government recognized and thus began to secure...

eh?

No. You do not have a right to kill, and marriage of any kind is a liberty. How fucking stupid are you? How many times do you have to get your ass kicked before you stop saying the same stupid shit?

Who decided that? Who decided that a fetus cannot be aborted?

Who decided that same sex marriage cannot be a right equivalent to the right of man/woman couples to marry?

Who decided that freedom of the press is a right?

Shut up dumbass. You aren't smart enough to be talking.

Nice meltdown. You lose.

Your mulligan is,

who decided that freedom of the press was an unalienable right, from our 'Creator', but that equal protection under the law (which protects same sex marriage) was not?