"Health is a right"

[Little-Acorn]

promote the general welfare does not mean "provide" the general welfare. Words have meanings.

Very true. One of the main goals of the Constitution was to keep people (including government people) out of Americans' faces so they could do their own thing and succeed on their own. The Founders knew that some government was necessary, but they also knew that government could only restrict people, so they tried to keep that to a minimum.

Government couldn't "provide" the general welfare, but it could "promote" it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Education is guaranteed as a right in every state.

Guaranteeing it doesn't make it a right. Why on earth did you think it did?

Try denying a child in any state access to public education just because his parents can't afford to pay for it and see what happens.

 

[NYcarbineer]

promote the general welfare does not mean "provide" the general welfare. Words have meanings.

Very true. One of the main goals of the Constitution was to keep people (including government people) out of Americans' faces so they could do their own thing and succeed on their own. The Founders knew that some government was necessary, but they also knew that government could only restrict people, so they tried to keep that to a minimum.

Government couldn't "provide" the general welfare, but it could "promote" it.

So you believe that the poor should go without healthcare they can't pay for at market prices and you have no problem with that.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What kind of right is it?

You only have a right to die.

You have no right to life.

Therefore no right to health.

Lefty Logic.

It's a nonexistent right.
End of story.

Who determines what is or isn't a right of the people?

 

[regent]

We had two governments, federal and state. The state had the responsibility for health care and some welfare. When the great depression hit, the states could no longer handle that responsibility and the national government took over much of welfare. Perhaps the biggie, at that time, was that we the people seemed to be the most important biggest part of America.
Is it still?

 

[peach174]

What kind of right is it?

It should be a right in the same manner education is a right.

If those that think it should be a right, they should work to get them in the bill of rights.
As it stands government has no right to be in either one.
Our founders never wanted government run schools, why, because of what's happening right now.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Education is guaranteed as a right in every state.

Guaranteeing it doesn't make it a right. Why on earth did you think it did?

Try denying a child in any state access to public education just because his parents can't afford to pay for it and see what happens.

Try denying a child in any state access to food just because his parents can't afford to pay for it and see what happens.

But food is not a right, though it is more vital than education. You still haven't explained why education is a "right".

Just “I think it’s a good idea” isn’t enough.

And lawmakers passing a law, doesn’t make something a “right”.

 

[Redfish]

What kind of right is it?

You only have a right to die.

You have no right to life.

Therefore no right to health.

Lefty Logic.

It's a nonexistent right.
End of story.

Who determines what is or isn't a right of the people?

the words of the constitution.

 

[Redfish]

promote the general welfare does not mean "provide" the general welfare. Words have meanings.

Very true. One of the main goals of the Constitution was to keep people (including government people) out of Americans' faces so they could do their own thing and succeed on their own. The Founders knew that some government was necessary, but they also knew that government could only restrict people, so they tried to keep that to a minimum.

Government couldn't "provide" the general welfare, but it could "promote" it.

So you believe that the poor should go without healthcare they can't pay for at market prices and you have no problem with that.

"the poor" were not denied medical care before ACA. Not having insurance does not mean you wont receive treatment.

NO one has ever said that the poor should be denied medical care. Stop that BS line of posting.

 

[RightyTighty]

What kind of right is it?

A common sense one. A healthy society has a future. An unhealthy society has none.

 

[TNHarley]

What kind of right is it?

A common sense one. A healthy society has a future. An unhealthy society has none.

common sense right
Lol ok

 

[RightyTighty]

What kind of right is it?

It should be a right in the same manner education is a right.

Why

Sick and stupid doesn't make for a functioning society. See the Founders (and read up on why they supported public education).

Medicare and Medicaid didn't come about because we were just being nice. They addressed serious issues (which we still have).

 

[RightyTighty]

What kind of right is it?

A common sense one. A healthy society has a future. An unhealthy society has none.

common sense right
Lol ok

A society that doesn't take care of its members - isn't one.

You are welcome to live on an island of one. The rest of us will stay here and deal with reality.

 

[TNHarley]

What kind of right is it?

A common sense one. A healthy society has a future. An unhealthy society has none.

common sense right
Lol ok

A society that doesn't take care of its members - isn't one.

You are welcome to live on an island of one. The rest of us will stay here and deal with reality.

individual responsibility. The whole point for this country. Take your collective ass and YOU move

 

[RightyTighty]

What kind of right is it?

A common sense one. A healthy society has a future. An unhealthy society has none.

common sense right
Lol ok

A society that doesn't take care of its members - isn't one.

You are welcome to live on an island of one. The rest of us will stay here and deal with reality.

individual responsibility. The whole point for this country. Take your collective ass and YOU move

A collective is why we don't get overtaken by Canada. Deal with it, snowflakes.

 

[regent]

What kind of right is it?

A common sense one. A healthy society has a future. An unhealthy society has none.

common sense right
Lol ok

A society that doesn't take care of its members - isn't one.

You are welcome to live on an island of one. The rest of us will stay here and deal with reality.

individual responsibility. The whole point for this country. Take your collective ass and YOU move

Is the military draft a form of collective?

 

[TNHarley]

What kind of right is it?

A common sense one. A healthy society has a future. An unhealthy society has none.

common sense right
Lol ok

A society that doesn't take care of its members - isn't one.

You are welcome to live on an island of one. The rest of us will stay here and deal with reality.

individual responsibility. The whole point for this country. Take your collective ass and YOU move

Is the military draft a form of collective?

analogies involving basic govt services that are constitutionally authorized doesnt cut it. Sorry.

 

[Avatar4321]

Government can't give us health. It be nice if they could but we live in the real world

 

[regent]

A common sense one. A healthy society has a future. An unhealthy society has none.

common sense right
Lol ok

A society that doesn't take care of its members - isn't one.

You are welcome to live on an island of one. The rest of us will stay here and deal with reality.

individual responsibility. The whole point for this country. Take your collective ass and YOU move

Is the military draft a form of collective?

analogies involving basic govt services that are constitutionally authorized doesnt cut it. Sorry.

Do you have any doubt that government health care is on the way.

 

[TNHarley]

common sense right
Lol ok

A society that doesn't take care of its members - isn't one.

You are welcome to live on an island of one. The rest of us will stay here and deal with reality.

individual responsibility. The whole point for this country. Take your collective ass and YOU move

Is the military draft a form of collective?

analogies involving basic govt services that are constitutionally authorized doesnt cut it. Sorry.

Do you have any doubt that government health care is on the way.

Nope. Govt regulated healthcare has been here. So, why wont it?
You give Washington an inch, and those greedy assholes take a mile