GopJeff and the Person(s) in the Trinity

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    Okay give me a short brief idea of what one 'person' in the trinity is in 3 persons?

    To repeat the questions....

    1) I would appreciate your defintion of a 'person' being a god?

    What are the 'three person' god personalities in which you worship?

    2) Does one person of the one god in three persons get mad or jealous of one another?

    3) If not then why does one person of your god pray to another person of your god when he lived on earth?

    The questions are endless and the confusion gets worse.

    Without a doubt, the divine Father is God. In Ephesians 1:17 Paul prays to “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,” who is the “one God and Father of the other two persons” ????

    (Eph. 4:6). The Bible also reveals that the Son is God. Addressing the Son, Hebrews 1:8 states, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.”????

    Define a god 'perons' fpr me...
     
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    AJ, To answer your question succintly, Christians believe that there is one God that exists in three distinct Persons: the Father (called Elohim, Yahweh, Adonai, etc. in the OT), the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit. No, they do not get jealous of each other. Why did Jesus pray to God the Father? When you pray, you are talking to God. I don't know why Jesus wouldn't talk to God. since they existed from the beginning of time.

    The Trinity is not an easy subject to grasp or explain, and I certainly am not going to do a great job at it, so I will instead direct you here, where someone has already explained it better than I could:
    http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity.html (a good overview)
    http://www.kencollins.com/question-18.htm (a kind of humorous modern-day illustration)
    http://www.billygraham.org/qna/qna.asp?i=508 (Billy Graham is the man!)
     
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    AJ, To answer your question succintly, Christians believe that there is one God that exists in three distinct Persons: the Father (called Elohim, Yahweh, Adonai, etc. in the OT), the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit.

    So the One G-d has many names as seen in the OT but also exists as three distinct separate unit persons in the newer NT Bible. Could there be another person in the god unit such as Mary, mother of Jesus?

    No, they do not get jealous of each other.

    Why can't they get jealous of one another? Didn't Jesus plead with his other person on the cross so why not get upset or jealous with his other person?

    Why did Jesus pray to God the Father? When you pray, you are talking to God. I don't know why Jesus wouldn't talk to God. since they existed from the beginning of time.

    I pray to my G-d but I am not Him. If you don't know why Jesus shouldn't or woundn't talk to G-d the Father (his alter person) then who would know the answer to this riddle?

    The Trinity is not an easy subject to grasp or explain, and I certainly am not going to do a great job at it, so I will instead direct you here, where someone has already explained it better than I could:
    http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity.html (a good overview)
    http://www.kencollins.com/question-18.htm (a kind of humorous modern-day illustration)
    http://www.billygraham.org/qna/qna.asp?i=508 (Billy Graham is the man!)


    Sorry but your other sites do not explain any specific reason for there to be three separate 'persons' in One G-d with no other gods before Him.

    Even your first site admits the same in the very first answer to the trinity concept.

    I guess this three separate person god is really a matter of faith and has no good rational answer to this mystery.
     
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    ajwps. Tell us more about the covenant the jews made with god about slicing their foreskins off. Is that logical? SO are you saying god looks at your penis when you pray? How can he do that? Does he have x-ray vision? Please.:rolleyes:

    What a silly religion you Jews have.
     
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    for what it's worth, if you look closely, his screen name is gop_jeff...

    ;)
     
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    Here's my take on the Trinity...

    First, each member is a completely separate entity, composing the Godhead. Jesus constantly declared how He and His Father are one. This concept is clarified in John 17, as Jesus prays to the Father before the atonement. He states his desire that his disciples might be one, as He and His Father are one. This isn't to say that he wanted every follower of Christ to meld together into a blob of goodness. Rather, to be one is to be united in desire, work, purpose, and glory. For that very reason, the members of the Godhead cannot fight or be jealous of each other - because they are united in all things.

    Think of the Godhead as a presidency. God the Father is president of the universe. Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are his two assistants, or vice presidents, or counsellors, or however you want to call them. Clearly, there is only one President. That President, however, does have the power to delegate responsibilities and functions. Thus, Jesus Christ came down to be our Savior. By the same token, it is through the Holy Spirit that our prayers are answered.

    -Douglas
     
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    True, Christ did pray for unity among His believers. However, it is not correct to state that the three members of the Trinity are three separate entities. They are separate in personage, but not in entity. There is only one God, as both the OT and NT proclaim.
     
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    No, Mary is never mentioned as part of the Godhead. This is part of a Catholic teaching (that is, frankly, heretical in my book) that assigns Mary as a fourth member of the Trinity.

    I have no idea what you are asking, really. But I do know that Jesus is sinless, just as God the Father is, so I don't know why he would get jealous in that sense.

    I never said that the Trinity was easy to explain - in fact, that's why I posted the links. I see clearly, by reading through the Bible, that God is manifest in three persons, but He constitutes only one God. So are you asking why God is like that? You'll have to ask God for the answer.
     
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    What? :)

    I don't think I violated this concept. I don't pray to Jesus Christ - I pray to the Father, who is my God.

    -Douglas
     
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    Sorry... I changed that. Should have been "not separate in entity."

    Is there a command that states that you are only supposed to pray to the Father, and not to Christ?
     
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