Zone1 Reality Check on Easter

[HaShev]

Only if she doesn’t have a white hair or two but that is a hairy question…lol

I'm not gonna inspect to find out, are you... ewww, start with her back hair I suppose, CornPop can check her leg hair.

 

[Meriweather]

Reality Check:

Why not post a thread last week, (March 23-24) explaining the pagan roots of Purim and Esther? Should that story be dug up and broadcast in time to murmur against another people?

Or is it better not to do to others what one would not like done to them?

Yes, we can change and twist stories. Ishtar has her own story, and that story is not the story of Esther and it is not the story of Easter. Ishtar, Esther, Easter/Resurrection Day. All independent stories with Spring celebrations.

 

[HaShev]

Why not post a thread last week, (March 23-24) explaining the pagan roots of Purim and Esther? Should that story be dug up and broadcast in time to murmur against another people?

Or is it better not to do to others what one would not like done to them?

Yes, we can change and twist stories. Ishtar has her own story, and that story is not the story of Esther and it is not the story of Easter. Ishtar, Esther, Easter/Resurrection Day. All independent stories with Spring celebrations.

the point is, you are supposed to notice (if you get to the end of Rome's punchline) that at the very end of the book they tell you Jesus is claimed The Morning Star (Baal's son). Hence unveiling the mask to expose who's behind the facade. You haven't noticed the evangelists talking about increased bounty & harvests (to be less obvious about $$$) when talking about blessed finances if you donate to God which uses their pockets to store that harvest windfall? Same harvest scam seeds replaced by donated dollars, bounty they see handling your hard earned money.

 

[HaShev]

Herod Antipas and Herod the Great weren't the same... Or have I mixed up Herod Agrippa?

I'll have to check Herod Antipas' birthdate to get my bearings.

his birthday can throw you off, his recognition -power wasn't until the first century when The Galilean figure was already dead by 6bc.
Antipas was a mere child when the Galilean saw his fate by the hands of Rome for his tax revolt.

 

[DudleySmith]

I've always found folks who have a need to trash the faith of others to be interesting. Usually something significant missing in their lives.

Real religion always makes the closet pagans fearful and causes them to lash out. Christianity being of course the most advanced and best theology gives them special angst and makes them look bad.

 

[Meriweather]

the point is, you are supposed to notice (if you get to the end of Rome's punchline) that at the very end of the book they tell you Jesus is claimed The Morning Star (Baal's son). Hence unveiling the mask to expose who's behind the facade. You haven't noticed the evangelists talking about increased bounty & harvests (to be less obvious about $$$) when talking about blessed finances if you donate to God which uses their pockets to store that harvest windfall? Same harvest scam seeds replaced by donated dollars, bounty they see handling your hard earned money.

For people of all/any faith, there are holy days/weeks that shine a light on what we believe, what we work on practicing every other day. It is a time of renewal and a special time of worship, reminding us of the glorious connections we have with God, of the awesomeness of God whom we have in our midst, in the midst of our lives. It is not too much to ask for people to be respectful.

I don't mind talking of all things pagan, or all things wrong with religion, but when holy days are upon us, why not let them wait until another time.

 

[surada]

It doesn’t matter like the Jesus stories are based on different characters where their lives and stories were converged into one character the same can be said about the Herod characters as well… When the stories were written and compiled centuries later there was no one alive who could question the authenticity of them… All are converged characters and only come alive in the written words in the New Testament just like the stories in books like Lord of the Rings or any other literary novel.. It is fiction just like the cruciFICTION and any other tale tails found there…

Wasn't Herod Agrippa the father of Berenice the Mistress of Titus?

 

[surada]

his birthday can throw you off, his recognition -power wasn't until the first century when The Galilean figure was already dead by 6bc.
Antipas was a mere child when the Galilean saw his fate by the hands of Rome for his tax revolt.

They were distinct and separate.

Herod the Great - Wikipedia

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Herod Agrippa - Wikipedia

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Herod Agrippa - Wikipedia

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Who was the Galilean who died in 6 BC?

 

[surada]

Judas the Galilean

JUDAS THE GALILEAN In the first two chapters, I have endeavored to challenge the traditional timeline by exposing obvious errors in...

judasthegalilean.weebly.com

Note the reference to Antiochus IV Epiphanies and the age of Jesus.

 

[HaShev]

They were distinct and separate.

Herod the Great - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Herod Agrippa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Herod Agrippa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Who was the Galilean who died in 6 BC?

Yehuda the Galilean.
The only christ figure in the time of Lysanias (35bc)and King Herod(4bc) as per accts of Jesus in their era.

 

[surada]

Yehuda the Galilean.
The only christ figure in the time of Lysanias (35bc)and King Herod(4bc) as per accts of Jesus in their era.

I posted a link..

It's complicated.

Judas the Galilean

JUDAS THE GALILEAN In the first two chapters, I have endeavored to challenge the traditional timeline by exposing obvious errors in...

judasthegalilean.weebly.com

"The Law forbids us to have a foreigner [as] king, but we are expecting the Anointed, the Meek one, of David's line. Yet we know that Herod is an Arab, uncircumcised.... What is this? Or did the prophets somehow lie? They wrote that we shall never lack a prince of Judah until there comes the One whom it is given back; in him the nations will hope. But is this [King Herod] the hope of nations? We detest his misdeeds; are the nations going to hope in him?" (After War 1.369)

 

[HaShev]

Not mine but appropriate to this discussion:

 

[shimon]

Not mine but appropriate to this discussion:
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For a minute there I thought you were talking about hot crossed Buns not Bunnies.. It is interesting that Hot cross buns have been synonymous with Easter celebrations since they appeared in 12th century England. Interestingly, hot cross buns pre-date Christianity, with their origins in paganism. Ancient Egyptians used small round breads topped with crosses to celebrate the gods. The cross divided the bread into four equal sections, representing the four phases of the moon and/or the four seasons, depending on the occasion. Later, Greeks and Romans offered similar sweetened rolls in tribute to Eos, the goddess of the morning, and to Eostre, the goddess of light, who lent her name to the Easter observances. The cross on top symbolized the horns of a sacrificial ox. The English word bun is a derivation of the Greek word for ceremonial cakes and breads, boun…The Bunnies well that is another story but just as interesting non the less…

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I'll be damned if I know....Why even have a "middleman"?

Hereditary Wealth Is Based on a Mindless Superstition

Because people demand a visible representation of a Supreme Being. That's what makes them look at their leaders and plutocrats as godlike and angelic. With these special divine genes, the Masters are thought to have passed on their halos to their sons.

 

[1srelluc]

Hereditary Wealth Is Based on a Mindless Superstition

Because people demand a visible representation of a Supreme Being. That's what makes them look at their leaders and plutocrats as godlike and angelic. With these special divine genes, the Masters are thought to have passed on their halos to their sons.

I don't know, this always worked for me as a representation.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I was hoping you would have stuck to Biblical figures that I'm familiar with, like Jeremiah.

Usually, the appearance of the prophet was not a good thing since they came to give a sinful and wayward people a warning.

After several years of preaching, Jeremiah’s family turned against him and even plotted to kill him (Jeremiah 1:8, 11:21-23, 12:6). Over the years, he was whipped and put in the stocks (Jeremiah 20:1-3), attacked by a mob (Jeremiah 26:1-9), threatened by the king (Jeremiah 36:26), and ridiculed (Jeremiah 28). Some of Zedekiah’s princes had Jeremiah arrested, beaten, accused of treason, and thrown in jail (Jeremiah 37:1-15), from whence he was then thrown in a deep empty well (Jeremiah 38:1-6). He lived through the siege of Jerusalem along with the rest and was there as the people were taken away as captives.

Or Isaiah. Isaiah is believed to have suffered a martyr’s death for his faith. The Jewish historian Josephus records that King Manasseh had Isaiah sawn in half with a wooden saw. This gruesome execution is also mentioned in the Talmud, a collection of Jewish writings.

In fact, the Bible itself tells us a much of what went on.

1 Kings 18:4
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for when Jezebel destroyed the prophets of the Lord, Obadiah took a hundred prophets and hid them by fifties in a cave, and provided them with bread and water.)

1 Kings 18:13
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Has it not been told to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord by fifties in a cave, and provided them with bread and water?

1 Kings 19:10
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He said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword. And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.”

1 Kings 19:14
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Then he said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword. And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.”

Nehemiah 9:26
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“But they became disobedient and rebelled against You,
And cast Your law behind their backs
And killed Your prophets who had admonished them
So that they might return to You,
And they committed great blasphemies.

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Romans 11:3
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“Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.”

1 Kings 19:2
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Then Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah, saying, “So may the gods do to me and even more, if I do not make your life as the life of one of them by tomorrow about this time.”

2 Kings 6:31
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Then he said, “May God do so to me and more also, if the head of Elisha the son of Shaphat remains on him today.”

2 Kings 6:32
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Now Elisha was sitting in his house, and the elders were sitting with him. And the king sent a man from his presence; but before the messenger came to him, he said to the elders, “Do you see how this son of a murderer has sent to take away my head? Look, when the messenger comes, shut the door and hold the door shut against him. Is not the sound of his master’s feet behind him?”

Jeremiah 38:4
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Then the officials said to the king, “Now let this man be put to death, inasmuch as he is discouraging the men of war who are left in this city and all the people, by speaking such words to them; for this man is not seeking the well-being of this people but rather their harm.”

Jeremiah 38:16
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But King Zedekiah swore to Jeremiah in secret saying, “As the Lord lives, who made this life for us, surely I will not put you to death nor will I give you over to the hand of these men who are seeking your life.”

Jeremiah 11:21
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Therefore thus says the Lord concerning the men of Anathoth, who seek your life, saying, “Do not prophesy in the name of the Lord, so that you will not die at our hand”;

Matthew 23:35
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so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Jeremiah 2:30
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“In vain I have struck your sons;
They accepted no chastening.
Your sword has devoured your prophets
Like a destroying lion.

Matthew 23:37
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“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.


Matthew 21:35
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The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third.

Matthew 22:6
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and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them.

Mark 12:3-8
They took him, and beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Again he sent them another slave, and they wounded him in the head, and treated him shamefully. And he sent another, and that one they killed; and so with many others, beating some and killing others.read more.
Matthew 23:30
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and say, ‘If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’

Matthew 23:31
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So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.

1 Thessalonians 2:15
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who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men,

2 Kings 9:7
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You shall strike the house of Ahab your master, that I may avenge the blood of My servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the Lord, at the hand of Jezebel.

Luke 13:34
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O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!

Acts 7:52
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Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;

Revelation 11:7
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When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them.

Revelation 16:6
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for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it.”

Numbers 31:8
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They killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword.

1 Kings 18:40
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Then Elijah said to them, “Seize the prophets of Baal; do not let one of them escape.” So they seized them; and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

1 Kings 19:1
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Now Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and how he had killed all the prophets with the sword.

Jeremiah 29:21
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“Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, concerning Ahab the son of Kolaiah and concerning Zedekiah the son of Maaseiah, who are prophesying to you falsely in My name, ‘Behold, I will deliver them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and he will slay them before your eyes.

Source: 30 Bible verses about Killing Prophets

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[Libby von H]

I'll be damned if I know....Why even have a "middleman"?

The Father was always the Father and the Son was always the Son.
to think God decided to have a son or some such blasphemous nonsense has never been part of Christian theology
The Trinity is what God is, there was no changing, or morphing or deciding !!!!!!
C'mon use your damn mind

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

nonsense

Rites of Spring

In a ballet by the pre-revolutionary Russian composer, Igor Stravinsky, an ancient ritual is portrayed as a virgin dancing herself to death in order to make Nature resurrect itself in the form of the spring growing season.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Romans wanted a sedate populace and not one full of revolution in the air

The last thing the Sanhedrin wanted was a revolutionary like Jesus energizing the crowds and creating chaos.

Render Therefore Unto Caesar

Jesus was trying to pacify the Jews by preaching that their present problems with the Romans were trivial and that they must spend their energies on preparing for a future eternal afterlife instead. He was the original "opiate of the masses."

Marx used that term only in order to make the State be the new opiate. He, Lenin, and Stalin preached that the masses should put up with their tyranny because of the glorious future promised by their ideology. They were a trinity.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The danger to Jesus was with the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem.

Jesus Was the First Protestant