Zone1 What Evidence Do Christians Have For Their Trinity Doctrine? Examining The Evidence.

[AqlAlim]

I am challenging the Trinitarian Christians to present their case for why the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has to be a Trinity. He's not a Quadrinity or just one person, He is supposedly a Triunity or Trinity. What does the preponderance of evidence reasonably point to? One YHWH who is one divine person, namely the Father, or YHWH who is three co-equal, co-eternal, consubstantial divine persons? What is the most reasonable interpretation of the texts of scripture often presented as proof for the Trinity?

My current position is Unitarianism. I assert that there is only one true Almighty YHWH, who is The Father, and everyone else, including Jesus, is His creation. You can use both the Hebrew Bible and the Christian NT, to defend your Trinitarian doctrine. I now leave the floor open. Godspeed.

 

[Crepitus]

Christians don't do evidence.

 

[AqlAlim]

Christians don't do evidence.

What do you mean Christians don't "do" evidence? You personally don't have any evidence for your Trinitarian beliefs? OK, that's something personal for you, because you're not the pope of Christendom, you're just one person. You have no evidence, got it. Maybe another Christian does.

 

[Crepitus]

What do you mean Christians don't "do" evidence?

They have "faith" which is literally belief without evidence.

Christians don't do evidence. It might actually be against their religion or something.

 

[buttercup]

What do you mean Christians don't "do" evidence? You personally don't have any evidence for your Trinitarian beliefs? OK, that's something personal for you, because you're not the pope of Christendom, you're just one person. You have no evidence, got it. Maybe another Christian does.

He's not a Christian, just a troll.

 

[Crepitus]

He's not a Christian, just a troll.

I'm neither.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

One of the better things about this country is that people can believe in a trinity or not as they please. No one is obligated to justify or even explain their beliefs.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

He's not a Christian, just a troll.

He is a sharia believing Muslim.

 

[AqlAlim]

One of the better things about this country is that people can believe in a trinity or not as they please. No one is obligated to justify or even explain their beliefs.

Yes indeed, people can believe whatever they want. They can believe the moon is made out of Swiss cheese. I want to know why Christians believe God is a Trinity. Is it Biblical? If they believe it's in the Bible, I'd like to see the Biblical passages that supposedly indicate that YHWH is a Trinity of co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial persons.

 

[AqlAlim]

He is a sharia believing Muslim.

She wasn't referring to me. Are you going to now degrade the discussion to personal attacks?

 

[excalibur]

The Great Commission.

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit​

MT 28:19

 

[excalibur]

2 Corinthians 13:14

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.​

 

[buttercup]

Yes indeed, people can believe whatever they want. They can believe the moon is made out of Swiss cheese. I want to know why Christians believe God is a Trinity. Is it Biblical? If they believe it's in the Bible, I'd like to see the Biblical passages that supposedly indicate that YHWH is a Trinity of co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial persons.

There are a number of scriptures that back up the trinity. Someone already posted a couple. I do get that it's a concept that is hard for people to wrap their minds around.... but just because we can't fully understand something doesn't mean it's false.

 

[AqlAlim]

The Great Commission.

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit​

MT 28:19

Does saying, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, point to three co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial persons? Didn't Jesus receive absolute authority from the Father? I do see three there, but I don't see the 4th-century AD, Nicean Trinity.

 

[AqlAlim]

2 Corinthians 13:14

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.​

Same here. I see Jesus, God and Holy Spirit mentioned but not necessarily the 4th Century Nicean Trinity.

 

[excalibur]

Three Persons in One God. The Holy Trinity.

 

[lg325]

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Of God and the Holy Trinity​

Chapter 2​

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PARAGRAPH 1​

The Lord our God is but one only living and true God;1 whose subsistence is in and of Himself,2 infinite in being and perfection; whose essence cannot be comprehended by any but Himself;3 a most pure spirit,4 invisible, without body, parts, or passions, who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;5 who is immutable,6 immense,7 eternal,8 incomprehensible, almighty,9 every way infinite, most holy,10 most wise, most free, most absolute; working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will,11 for His own glory;12 most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him,13 and withal most just and terrible in His judgments,14 hating all sin,15 and who will by no means clear the guilty.16

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1 1 Cor. 8:4,6; Deut. 6:4
2 Jer. 10:10; Isa. 48:12
3 Exod. 3:14
4 John 4:24
5 1 Tim. 1:17; Deut. 4:15–16
6 Mal. 3:6
7 1 Kings 8:27; Jer. 23:23
8 Ps. 90:2
9 Gen. 17:1
10 Isa. 6:3
11 Ps. 115:3; Isa. 46:10
12 Prov. 16:4; Rom. 11:36
13 Exod. 34:6–7; Heb. 11:6
14 Neh. 9:32–33
15 Ps. 5:5–6
16 Exod. 34:7; Nahum 1:2–3

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PARAGRAPH 2​

God, having all life,17 glory,18 goodness,19 blessedness, in and of Himself, is alone in and unto Himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creature which He hath made, nor deriving any glory from them,20 but only manifesting His own glory in, by, unto, and upon them; He is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things,21 and He hath most sovereign dominion over all creatures, to do by them, for them, or upon them, whatsoever Himself pleases;22 in His sight all things are open and manifest,23 His knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature, so as nothing is to Him contingent or uncertain;24 He is most holy in all His counsels, in all His works,25 and in all His commands; to Him is due from angels and men, whatsoever worship,26 service, or obedience, as creatures they owe unto the Creator, and whatever He is further pleased to require of them.

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17 John 5:26
18 Ps. 148:13
19 Ps. 119:68
20 Job 22:2–3
21 Rom. 11:34-36
22 Dan. 4:25,34–35
23 Heb. 4:13
24 Ezek. 11:5; Acts 15:18
25 Ps. 145:17
26 Rev. 5:12-14

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PARAGRAPH 3​

In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit,27 of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided:28 the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father;29 the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son;30 all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on Him.

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27 1 John 5:7; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14
28 Exod. 3:14; John 14:11; I Cor. 8:6
29 John 1:14,18
30 John 15:26; Gal. 4:6

 

[JGalt]

Christians don't do evidence.

Of course they do, silly. To paraphrase Hebrews 11:1, Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things we cannot see.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

She wasn't referring to me. Are you going to now degrade the discussion to personal

She wasn't referring to me. Are you going to now degrade the discussion to personal attacks?

How can calling you a sharia believing muslim be a personal attack? Did you introduce yourself with this

Hello everyone. I am a practicing Muslim with a political outlook shaped by Sharia, advocating for social conservatism. My goal in joining this forum is to contribute to discussions on the intersection of religion and governance, emphasizing the preservation of traditional values.

Or not?

 

[Cougarbear]

Christians don't do evidence.

I believe he was asking Christians to begin with. Next, he was referring to what's in the Bible to support the Trinity doctrine. Can you appreciate this?