GOP war on the poor: Georgia

[naturegirl]

Bullshit.

Um no it's not. Happened in Georgia and Alabama.

Why Americans Won't Do Dirty Jobs - Businessweek

 

[francoHFW]

Plenty of jobs? Lots of welfare fraud? Hater dupes morons on parade. Thanks for the depression.

 

[EriktheRed]

What Would the U.S. Look Like If It Were a Failed State? Like Georgia, Pretty Much!

Have you ever wondered what the U.S. would look like it if were a failed state? And what sorts of skills you’d need in order to survive, and which government offices would function and which wouldn’t, and which aspects of society would collapse and which would manage to self-sustain? We have too, because it occasionally seems like a valuable mental exercise and it’s better safe than sorry. But now, we no longer have regard it as purely a theoretical scenario, because we seem to have an actual failed state right here in the U.S. of A, and (shocker) it is Georgia, where only 4,000 adults in Georgia have been able to qualify for welfare even though a shitload of people are poor

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The size of the welfare gap, however, varies widely from state to state. In states like California and Maine, which have focused on getting their poor citizens into jobs programs, about two-thirds of those eligible still receive welfare. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Georgia, which over the past decade has set itself up as the poster child for the ongoing war on welfare. Even as unemployment has soared to 9 percent and 300,000 Georgia families now live below the poverty line—50 percent higher than in 2000, for a poverty rate that now ranks sixth in the nation—the number receiving cash benefits has all but evaporated: Only a little over 19,000 families receiving TANF remain, all but 3,400 of which were cases involving children only. That’s less than 7 percent, making Georgia one of the toughest places in the nation to get welfare assistance.

No problemo, surely the private sector, or the church, or a charity, or Somebody Else will step in and help these people, or maybe they can just go on ahead and help themselves, THIS IS AMERICA and we are not communists who just give out handouts. Except charities and churches and Somebody Else don’t have enough money either, so all of these poor hungry people are going to stay poor and hungry until they manage to save up for bootstraps.

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In conclusion, folks: today's United States Republican Party is a bunch of shitbags.

Good night and non-existent supreme deity bless.

 

[francoHFW]

Great - three week backbreaking job (or become a migrant) and lose a year assistance...so dumb. We'd be out of this without Tea Party insanity and disfunction...

 

[Lakhota]

 

[rdean]

It's sad that so many unemployed are actually victims of Republican economic policies. Then those same Republicans work to punish the very people they screwed over. It's sad and tragic.

 

[francoHFW]

Pubs-ALWAYS a disaster. Ike was an independant.

 

[martybegan]

The belief that people prefer welfare to jobs is simply a myth. It always has been and it always will be. Major obstetricals that stand between the poor and jobs are not removed by reducing aid. The lack of relative job experience, education, a clean criminal record, transportation, childcare, physical and mental disabilities, drug and alcohol dependence, are not addressed by cutting aid to the poor. If anything, if makes a bad situation worse by increasing social problems such deterioration of neighborhoods, crime and child neglect.

What so many people seem to ignore, is that the poor do have jobs; temporary and part-time. These jobs rarely produce enough income to support a single person, much less a family.

So I have to pay for someone else's mistakes? If thats the case then I should be able to dictate how they get the money. If that means forced work so be it. If that means mandatory classes so be it. If that means a time limit before it all ends so be it.

There are very few cases where poverty is "no one's fault." Be it pissing away an education, drugs, getting knocked up in your teens, or just general laziness progressives come up with every excuse under the sun why we should just give these people reasources, and none on how to get them off said reasources.

Of course the progressives love having voters they can keep in thier back pocket for benefits.

If you want my money for the poor, convince me to help them, dont force me using the government's guns.

You are correct. You do have to pay for the mistakes of others; be it in the form of taxes, increased crime, or deterioration of our schools and neighborhoods.

Determining who is at fault for personal economic failure is an exercise in futility. Although the father has a drug history and can't hold down a job, the mother was knocked up as a teen and dropped out of school, or there are mental of physical problems, we are still left with the problem of providing support for the family. Withdrawing that support does not fix the problem. It only makes it worst, particular for the children.

Seekng to punish all that abuse the system may seem like a good idea. However putting that idea into practice often turns out to be very expensive and have unanticipated consequences.

Social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces but they must be addressed because they are at the heart of the nation's financial, educational, and productivity problems. The Right advises that government should just ignore social problems. Ignore the poor, the homeless, the unemployed, the uninsured, and the uneducated. Leave it to the businesses community, charities, and churches to solve these problems. Anyone who actually believes this nonsense is very naive.

The problem is you are trying to fix this shit with borrowed money, and most organizations are not even trying to get these people on thier feet, at least not by using coercion. If you are on the dole, your ass should belong to the government, and you should have to do anything they tell you.

Instead we have taken the shame out of not being able to provide for yourself or your family, resulting in the mess we have now.

 

[martybegan]

Social security isnt the dole, dumbfuck.

 

[LoneLaugher]

So I have to pay for someone else's mistakes? If thats the case then I should be able to dictate how they get the money. If that means forced work so be it. If that means mandatory classes so be it. If that means a time limit before it all ends so be it.

There are very few cases where poverty is "no one's fault." Be it pissing away an education, drugs, getting knocked up in your teens, or just general laziness progressives come up with every excuse under the sun why we should just give these people reasources, and none on how to get them off said reasources.

Of course the progressives love having voters they can keep in thier back pocket for benefits.

If you want my money for the poor, convince me to help them, dont force me using the government's guns.

You are correct. You do have to pay for the mistakes of others; be it in the form of taxes, increased crime, or deterioration of our schools and neighborhoods.

Determining who is at fault for personal economic failure is an exercise in futility. Although the father has a drug history and can't hold down a job, the mother was knocked up as a teen and dropped out of school, or there are mental of physical problems, we are still left with the problem of providing support for the family. Withdrawing that support does not fix the problem. It only makes it worst, particular for the children.

Seekng to punish all that abuse the system may seem like a good idea. However putting that idea into practice often turns out to be very expensive and have unanticipated consequences.

Social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces but they must be addressed because they are at the heart of the nation's financial, educational, and productivity problems. The Right advises that government should just ignore social problems. Ignore the poor, the homeless, the unemployed, the uninsured, and the uneducated. Leave it to the businesses community, charities, and churches to solve these problems. Anyone who actually believes this nonsense is very naive.

The problem is you are trying to fix this shit with borrowed money, and most organizations are not even trying to get these people on thier feet, at least not by using coercion. If you are on the dole, your ass should belong to the government, and you should have to do anything they tell you.

Instead we have taken the shame out of not being able to provide for yourself or your family, resulting in the mess we have now.

Bullshit.

 

[martybegan]

You are correct. You do have to pay for the mistakes of others; be it in the form of taxes, increased crime, or deterioration of our schools and neighborhoods.

Determining who is at fault for personal economic failure is an exercise in futility. Although the father has a drug history and can't hold down a job, the mother was knocked up as a teen and dropped out of school, or there are mental of physical problems, we are still left with the problem of providing support for the family. Withdrawing that support does not fix the problem. It only makes it worst, particular for the children.

Seekng to punish all that abuse the system may seem like a good idea. However putting that idea into practice often turns out to be very expensive and have unanticipated consequences.

Social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces but they must be addressed because they are at the heart of the nation's financial, educational, and productivity problems. The Right advises that government should just ignore social problems. Ignore the poor, the homeless, the unemployed, the uninsured, and the uneducated. Leave it to the businesses community, charities, and churches to solve these problems. Anyone who actually believes this nonsense is very naive.

The problem is you are trying to fix this shit with borrowed money, and most organizations are not even trying to get these people on thier feet, at least not by using coercion. If you are on the dole, your ass should belong to the government, and you should have to do anything they tell you.

Instead we have taken the shame out of not being able to provide for yourself or your family, resulting in the mess we have now.

Bullshit.

Nice retort there. I guess you have nothing to back it up, hence the one word reply.

 

[skookerasbil]

Blacks keep voting in droves for this bozo president.........but their poverty rates continue to rise. In fact, poverty rates are at record levels for everybody!!!!

Community Excel - US 2012 Poverty Guidelines


Of course, informed people know that this is exactly the grand scheme of the left. Poverty = power. Stupid dummies dont even know they are being scammed.......unless your goal in life is to be a warden of the state.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The problem is you are trying to fix this shit with borrowed money, and most organizations are not even trying to get these people on thier feet, at least not by using coercion. If you are on the dole, your ass should belong to the government, and you should have to do anything they tell you.

Instead we have taken the shame out of not being able to provide for yourself or your family, resulting in the mess we have now.

Bullshit.

Nice retort there. I guess you have nothing to back it up, hence the one word reply.

Would you care to back up what you have said?

 

[martybegan]

Bullshit.

Nice retort there. I guess you have nothing to back it up, hence the one word reply.

Would you care to back up what you have said?

So we have no groups of people that stay on welfare for long periods of time? No intergenerational welfare families? No people gaming the system? No situation where it is often better to be on welfare than working?

Anytime someone wants to clamp down on the welfare state liberals such as you start hemming and hawing about abusing the poor. Well guess what? If asking them to get on thier feet, or forcing them to do some work or learn something is "abuse" then I guess its true the real reason liberals like welfare programs is that is keeps poor people voting for them.

 

[Flopper]

So I have to pay for someone else's mistakes? If thats the case then I should be able to dictate how they get the money. If that means forced work so be it. If that means mandatory classes so be it. If that means a time limit before it all ends so be it.

There are very few cases where poverty is "no one's fault." Be it pissing away an education, drugs, getting knocked up in your teens, or just general laziness progressives come up with every excuse under the sun why we should just give these people reasources, and none on how to get them off said reasources.

Of course the progressives love having voters they can keep in their back pocket for benefits.

If you want my money for the poor, convince me to help them, dont force me using the government's guns.

You are correct. You do have to pay for the mistakes of others; be it in the form of taxes, increased crime, or deterioration of our schools and neighborhoods.

Determining who is at fault for personal economic failure is an exercise in futility. Although the father has a drug history and can't hold down a job, the mother was knocked up as a teen and dropped out of school, or there are mental of physical problems, we are still left with the problem of providing support for the family. Withdrawing that support does not fix the problem. It only makes it worst, particular for the children.

Seekng to punish all that abuse the system may seem like a good idea. However putting that idea into practice often turns out to be very expensive and have unanticipated consequences.

Social problems are the most difficult problems a nation faces but they must be addressed because they are at the heart of the nation's financial, educational, and productivity problems. The Right advises that government should just ignore social problems. Ignore the poor, the homeless, the unemployed, the uninsured, and the uneducated. Leave it to the businesses community, charities, and churches to solve these problems. Anyone who actually believes this nonsense is very naive.

The problem is you are trying to fix this shit with borrowed money, and most organizations are not even trying to get these people on thier feet, at least not by using coercion. If you are on the dole, your ass should belong to the government, and you should have to do anything they tell you.

Instead we have taken the shame out of not being able to provide for yourself or your family, resulting in the mess we have now.

So you are saying we should have some WPA type projects with administrators, project planners to setup projects, investigators to determine who can do the work, and supervisors to oversee the work. Then you would have to contend with complains from private contractors and government workers being displaced as well as workers being put into jobs they are not qualified to do.

There really are no simple solutions to social welfare problems.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nice retort there. I guess you have nothing to back it up, hence the one word reply.

Would you care to back up what you have said?

So we have no groups of people that stay on welfare for long periods of time? No intergenerational welfare families? No people gaming the system? No situation where it is often better to be on welfare than working?

Anytime someone wants to clamp down on the welfare state liberals such as you start hemming and hawing about abusing the poor. Well guess what? If asking them to get on thier feet, or forcing them to do some work or learn something is "abuse" then I guess its true the real reason liberals like welfare programs is that is keeps poor people voting for them.

You are backing up your statement by ASKING ME QUESTIONS?

How many? How many ABLE BODIED, SANE ADULT AMERICANS REFUSE TO WORK AN AVAILABLE JOB IN FAVOR OF LIVING OFF OF TAXPAYER FUNDS. And how much do they cost this nation's taxpayers?

How many?

And.............destitute people do not vote. Poor people do not fucking vote in large numbers. Keeping people poor does not result in electoral victory you jackass.

 

[jasonnfree]

Back a time people used to find a way to take care of themselves (worked two jobs) if THEY HAD too..

Today they whine because they have to work and if they can't make it they just say, Oh well we can go suck off others... and we get articles like this from some liberal rag called, Slate

But that's the problem. A lot of these people DO work. A lot of them have two jobs. And some of them want jobs and can't find them because they are often competing with a college grad who can't find a job, either.
40% of Food Stamp recipiants have at least one person in the family with a job.

But when you have a situation where employers are openly discussing cutting employees hours to 32 hours a week so that they don't have to provide health care and dump them off on Medicaid, then you really don't have much room to complain when government grows.

Again- you idiots make this mess when you put the greed of employers over the needs of employees.

Links to the statistics on Americans with two jobs taking welfare?? Provide them.... Secondly, we all KNOW food stamp usage has shot through the roof and college grads have a hard time finding jobs.. it was a part of this election.. you know, the one you liberals voted to keep the same RULING ELITE -- BTW What's the definition of insanity?

Why do all you people that stand with Israel, and proudly advertise the fact, worry that the poor in this country are also getting aid? You know Israel's been getting aid for generations? Maybe time to cut Israel loose also.

 

[LibertyLemming]

Hey our liberal president of the last 4 years has increased poverty across the board.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Prove that Obama increased poverty, please.

 

[Flopper]

The four biggest lies told about welfare:

Myth #1: Welfare benefits go to minority women who never leave the dole.
THE FACT IS, MORE WHITES RECEIVE aid than blacks or Hispanics. Two out of three welfare recipients are children, not adults. And contrary to the stereotype of families forever dependent, nearly three out of four women receiving aid get off welfare within two years.

Myth #2: Welfare encourages teen pregnancy and large, dependent families.
The states with the highest benefits have the lowest rates of additional births, and the states with the lowest benefits have the highest. Contrary to the myth, AFDC families also are slightly smaller than the U.S. average.

Myth #3: People on welfare live pretty well.

TOGETHER, AFDC AND FOOD-STAMP assistance for the family totals $661 per month, and $7,932 per year. That's just 64 percent of the federal poverty line for a family of three, which stands at a grim $12,320. Just one in five AFDC families receive housing assistance.

Myth #4: Welfare is a huge drain on the federal budget.
In 2006, about 59 billion dollars, or 2.5%% of the federal budget, was spent on traditional social welfare programs while 92 billion was spend on corporate subsidies. During the recession an it's aftermath, these social welfare programs were just over 3% of the federal budget.

The four biggest lies told about welfare reform
Welfare Statistics: Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Than..