The Whole Georgia Case Was Based On A Lie By The Media

[Winston]

That's what the media claims, but turns out they destroyed the original audio and they instead released a doctored audio.

Course you believe anything and everything the corrupt media publishes, and follow your fascist masters without question.

Open skull, take out brain, put in Bull Shit.

"Doctored audio", project much? There were at least a dozen people on that phone call, has even a single one of them even suggested the audio was "doctored"? Or did you read that on Facebook? And maybe the better question, have you or any of the Trump supporters on this messageboard even bothered to listen to it?

It was stunning in what it revealed. And that is the fact that Trump has no business, whatsoever, holding public office, not even dog-catcher. He has no leadership skills whatsoever. I mean the audio, after Meadows announces all the people on it, begins with a twenty plus minute monologue from Trump. When confronted with clear and concise rebuttals, he ignored them. Then he berated, belittled, and threatened the Secretary of State. I can just imagine Trump in a closed door military briefing, and it is damn scary.

 

[Winston]

You are the dumbass that needs to wakeup.

Unless you want a fascist dictatorship that is.

Inside Trump’s Fascist Plan to Control All Federal Agencies if He Wins

Trump has a detailed plan to consolidate power if he retakes the White House.

newrepublic.com

 

[Kilroy2]

Really?
You think it is OK for a COUNTY prosecutor to file indictments that are 2.5 years old, just happens to be during an election, on a former President??
Really?
No you don't.

Its called statue of limitations. This means that they can file it as long as it does not exceed the statue of limitations as stated by the law.

Trump decided to run

Yes there is a thing called speedy trial but TRump was not in jail.

Election interference is a term that most do not even know what it means

• Electoral fraud, illegal interference with the process of an election
  • Vote buying, when a political party or candidate distributes money to a voter with the expectation that they will vote for them
  • Voter impersonation, when an eligible voter votes more than once or a non-eligible voter votes under the name of an eligible one
• Foreign electoral intervention, attempts by governments to influence elections in another country

Elections are always about the negative and what the oppositions accuses the politician of doing in a negative light. The politician will try to change the narrative and put it in a positive light..

Trump broke the law and it is a legal mater. It is not election interference as people will vote for whom they wish to vote for. It just something the right made up as it sounds cool to them.

Since he is in America there will be a trial. If he wins then its up to the people. If he loses the case then it is new territory. If he is disqualified then it is simple. IF he is allowed to run then it up to the people to vote for the right choice.

Comer is investigating the Biden family, is that election interference by Republicans? Or is the investigation legitimate?

 

[westwall]

Inside Trump’s Fascist Plan to Control All Federal Agencies if He Wins

Trump has a detailed plan to consolidate power if he retakes the White House.

newrepublic.com

Yeah, a commie website is soooo compelling.

DURRRRRR

 

[Winston]

Yeah, a commie website is soooo compelling.

DURRRRRR

Trump has been very clear about his plans. He is going to bring independent agencies under his control. And the recording we are discussing indicates precisely what that will be like. Trump will staff agencies like the FCC, the FTC, and the AG's office with a bunch of sackless yes men. Worse, professional individuals within the GSA will be replaced with Trump's political supporters, think like the Department of Education and Betsy DeVoss, someone who never attended a public school and who never had a child that attended a public school, but hey, she contributed a lot of money to the Trump campaign. Far from "draining the swamp", Trump is going to stock the thing with crocodiles and start feeding them chum.

 

[mudwhistle]

"Doctored audio", project much? There were at least a dozen people on that phone call, has even a single one of them even suggested the audio was "doctored"? Or did you read that on Facebook? And maybe the better question, have you or any of the Trump supporters on this messageboard even bothered to listen to it?

It was stunning in what it revealed. And that is the fact that Trump has no business, whatsoever, holding public office, not even dog-catcher. He has no leadership skills whatsoever. I mean the audio, after Meadows announces all the people on it, begins with a twenty plus minute monologue from Trump. When confronted with clear and concise rebuttals, he ignored them. Then he berated, belittled, and threatened the Secretary of State. I can just imagine Trump in a closed door military briefing, and it is damn scary.

What was stunning is the fact that anyone with more than half a brain would buy into this BS.
The same people that made sure they delivered Georgia to Biden are to be trusted when it comes to conversations with Trump?
After all, that's all this is about. A stupid conversation. There was no conspiracy on Trump's part. Trump simply asked, not demanded, that the Georgia election be conducted honestly. DA Willis was ordered by the DOJ to bring an indictment immediately to bail Biden out of yet another hot mess that he created with his assigning David Weiss as Special Prosecutor on the Hunter Biden case. The whole thing smacks of a massive coverup. This indictment was designed to stop the media from covering the fake Hunter Biden investigation/coverup.

 

[westwall]

Trump has been very clear about his plans. He is going to bring independent agencies under his control. And the recording we are discussing indicates precisely what that will be like. Trump will staff agencies like the FCC, the FTC, and the AG's office with a bunch of sackless yes men. Worse, professional individuals within the GSA will be replaced with Trump's political supporters, think like the Department of Education and Betsy DeVoss, someone who never attended a public school and who never had a child that attended a public school, but hey, she contributed a lot of money to the Trump campaign. Far from "draining the swamp", Trump is going to stock the thing with crocodiles and start feeding them chum.

Yes, because those agencies are filled with corrupt people who ignore Congressional oversight.

Those agencies are waging war on the American people.

We all see it.

Only Trump and vivek say they will fight it.

Unlike you I read history. We are now living the morass that beset Russia in the 1609's when the Bureaus thought they were in control.

Till the Tsar killed them all and brought the country back under control.

 

[mudwhistle]

Its called statue of limitations. This means that they can file it as long as it does not exceed the statue of limitations as stated by the law.

Trump decided to run

Yes there is a thing called speedy trial but TRump was not in jail.

Election interference is a term that most do not even know what it means

• Electoral fraud, illegal interference with the process of an election
  • Vote buying, when a political party or candidate distributes money to a voter with the expectation that they will vote for them
  • Voter impersonation, when an eligible voter votes more than once or a non-eligible voter votes under the name of an eligible one
• Foreign electoral intervention, attempts by governments to influence elections in another country

Elections are always about the negative and what the oppositions accuses the politician of doing in a negative light. The politician will try to change the narrative and put it in a positive light..

Trump broke the law and it is a legal mater. It is not election interference as people will vote for whom they wish to vote for. It just something the right made up as it sounds cool to them.

Since he is in America there will be a trial. If he wins then its up to the people. If he loses the case then it is new territory. If he is disqualified then it is simple. IF he is allowed to run then it up to the people to vote for the right choice.

Comer is investigating the Biden family, is that election interference by Republicans? Or is the investigation legitimate?

Using the DOJ, or ordering other prosecutors to lock up or disqualify your primary opponent, using fake charges to keep him/her/them from running, is election interference, as well as prosecutorial misconduct.

Biden said that was what he would do, and his admission is evidence of his guilt.
It is against the law for the DOJ to interfere in any state or local investigation, but that is exactly what they did.
It is also against the law for the White House to direct any prosecutor to investigate or charge anyone, much less his primary political opponent.

The White House counsel’s office met with a top aide to Special Counsel Jack Smith just weeks before he brought charges against former President Trump for allegedly mishandling classified documents — raising serious concerns about coordinated legal efforts aimed at President Biden’s likely opponent in 2024.

Jay Bratt, who joined the special counsel team in November 2022, shortly after it was formed, took a meeting in the White House on March 31, 2023, with Caroline Saba, deputy chief of staff for the White House counsel’s office, White House visitor logs show.

They were joined in the 10 a.m. meeting by Danielle Ray, an FBI agent in the Washington field office.
Nine weeks later, Trump was indicted by Smith’s office on June 8, 2023.

Bratt, 63, also met with Saba at the White House in November 2021, when Trump was mired in negotiations with the National Archives, who were demanding the return of presidential records from his Mar-a-Lago estate before a formal investigation had not yet been opened.

Didn't President Trump get impeached on claims that he was trying to scupper the campaign of his political opponent with his phone call to Ukraine's president? Seems the Biden White House is doing this in spades, with no consequences whatsoever. That's banana republic politics, of the kind that Vlad Putin, Nicolas Maduro, and every crummy dictator at the bottom end of the third world engages in.

Now we're seeing evidence, which hasn't been refuted, as news of these meetings gets out now.

Mark Levin has the best observation on how improper this looks:

Biden staffers met with Special Counsel Jack Smith’s aides before Trump indictment

The White House counsel’s office met with a top aide to Special Counsel Jack Smith just weeks before he brought charges against Trump.

nypost.com

 

[Winston]

Yes, because those agencies are filled with corrupt people who ignore Congressional oversight.

Those agencies are waging war on the American people.

We all see it.

Only Trump and vivek say they will fight it.

Unlike you I read history. We are now living the morass that beset Russia in the 1609's when the Bureaus thought they were in control.

Till the Tsar killed them all and brought the country back under control.

You read history do you? European history? Here, try this,

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

 

[westwall]

You read history do you? European history? Here, try this,

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 10

Wow, thanks for PROVING my point you idiot.

 

[Kilroy2]

Using the DOJ, or ordering other prosecutors to lock up or disqualify your primary opponent, using fake charges to keep him/her/them from running, is election interference, as well as prosecutorial misconduct.

Biden said that was what he would do, and his admission is evidence of his guilt.
It is against the law for the DOJ to interfere in any state or local investigation, but that is exactly what they did.

Election interference is clearly defined

18 U.S. Code Chapter 29 - ELECTIONS AND POLITICAL ACTIVITIES

www.law.cornell.edu

what fake charges are you referring to?

Did Trump remove classified documents from the white house to his home ?

when they asked nicely for him to return those documents, he refused to return them

So in late 2022 , they raided his home. They gave him the change to come clean in a nice way.

Bottom line if this was election interference then why has no one brought charges of election interference.

18 U.S. Code Chapter 29 - ELECTIONS AND POLITICAL ACTIVITIES

Why hasn't Comer and cronies started a hearing on election interference in congress? Instead they are looking in the Biden crime family. Good luck with that.


It simple, Charging a person with a crime is not election interference in any statue even if the person is running for office. Politician's in office can be charged with crimes.

There is enough evidence to support Trump being charged.


Election interference is not letting someone get away with committing a punishable crime. He will have his day in court. Republicans supporters will still vote for him. Nothing has changed other than he might go to jail.



Trump was raided in Sept 2022. He then announced his candidacy in Oct 2022. If he wins then he will just pardon himself.


So be sure to vote

Matthew Lyon (DR-VT). First Congressman to be recommended for censure after spitting on Roger Griswold (Federalist-Connecticut). The censure failed to pass.[1] Separately, found guilty of violating Alien and Sedition Acts and sentenced to four months in jail, during which time he was re-elected (1798)

 

[Pete7469]

Really?
You think it is OK for a COUNTY prosecutor to file indictments that are 2.5 years old, just happens to be during an election, on a former President??
Really?
No you don't.

He CAN NOT THINK. He is a bed wetting leftist NPC. He parrots tons of insipid bullshit. His puppet masters are pushing this shit, so they aren't merely "OK" with this banana Republic shit show, they made it happen.

 

[mudwhistle]

Election interference is clearly defined

18 U.S. Code Chapter 29 - ELECTIONS AND POLITICAL ACTIVITIES

www.law.cornell.edu

what fake charges are you referring to?

Did Trump remove classified documents from the white house to his home ?

when they asked nicely for him to return those documents, he refused to return them

So in late 2022 , they raided his home. They gave him the change to come clean in a nice way.

Bottom line if this was election interference then why has no one brought charges of election interference.

18 U.S. Code Chapter 29 - ELECTIONS AND POLITICAL ACTIVITIES

Why hasn't Comer and cronies started a hearing on election interference in congress? Instead they are looking in the Biden crime family. Good luck with that.


It simple, Charging a person with a crime is not election interference in any statue even if the person is running for office. Politician's in office can be charged with crimes.

There is enough evidence to support Trump being charged.


Election interference is not letting someone get away with committing a punishable crime. He will have his day in court. Republicans supporters will still vote for him. Nothing has changed other than he might go to jail.



Trump was raided in Sept 2022. He then announced his candidacy in Oct 2022. If he wins then he will just pardon himself.


So be sure to vote

Matthew Lyon (DR-VT). First Congressman to be recommended for censure after spitting on Roger Griswold (Federalist-Connecticut). The censure failed to pass.[1] Separately, found guilty of violating Alien and Sedition Acts and sentenced to four months in jail, during which time he was re-elected (1798)

Election interference is using the media, the courts, and/or the power of the Executive Branch to indict, disqualify, remove or slander a political opponent using fake charges or harassment, jury tampering, prosecutorial misconduct, or illegal influence of any investigation against said political opponent.

18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments​

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Kilroy2]

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner

Prosecutors are prosecuting a crim

Election interference is using the media, the courts, and/or the power of the Executive Branch to indict, disqualify, remove or slander a political opponent using fake charges or harassment, jury tampering, prosecutorial misconduct, or illegal influence of any investigation against said political opponent.

18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments

www.law.cornell.edu

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President

So your interpreting it as any one running for office can commit any crime and cannot be brought to justice because its election interference. Still the language is specific "for the propose of interfering, etc. Your just limiting the interpretation to meet your argument.


Well prosecutors are prosecuting NOT for the purpose of interfering but to seek justice when a crime has been committed. They are prosecuting him for a crime that he committed. That is there job and perfectly legal.

So if there was no crime then they cannot make one up.


So if Congress was trying to impeach Biden then they couldn't do that according to your interpretation .

So explain how Comer's investigation is not election interference.

I know the answer but let see if you do

 

[Winston]

Wow, thanks for PROVING my point you idiot.

No, you are the one that is circling around the drain. That was Federalist 10. It has to do with factions and it was Madison's proposal on how to deal with the inevitable problem that factions present to a democracy and to a republic. Here, let Madison explain it,

If a faction consists of less than a majority, relief is supplied by the republican principle, which enables the majority to defeat its sinister views by regular vote. It may clog the administration, it may convulse the society; but it will be unable to execute and mask its violence under the forms of the Constitution. When a majority is included in a faction, the form of popular government, on the other hand, enables it to sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens. To secure the public good and private rights against the danger of such a faction, and at the same time to preserve the spirit and the form of popular government, is then the great object to which our inquiries are directed.
Honestly, I don't see how it is not obvious. You are in a faction, call it the Trumptard faction. And in 2020, your sinister views were defeated by a regular vote. Trump, and your faction, were unwilling to accept that. If Trump is given the reins of power again it will be the destruction of our Republic. The founders, to the person, would say, did say, precisely that. Quoting Hamilton here,

When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits — despotic in his ordinary demeanour — known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty — when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity — to join in the cry of danger to liberty — to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion — to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day — It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.’

I mean damn, it is like Hamilton had a crystal ball. I got to be honest, you don't know jackshit about history. You damn sure don't know jackshit about American History. I am willing to bet you haven't read a single Federalist Paper, I have intuitively absorbed all 85. If you ask me, no one should be allowed to vote until they have read each and everyone and written an essay on each of them.

 

[surada]

The media created this legal case based on media fraud.


The Washington Post published a fabricated statement they claimed they got from Trump's phone call to the Georgia Sec of State Raffensperger over "Finding votes".

This is a lie.

Georgia's Sec of State tried to destroy the audio tape of Trump talking to him, and his aide Jordon Fukes claimed to quote the audio of Trump, and misquoted him in an attempt to make what Trump said to him to be more nefarious. The audio was actually exculpatory in nature.

The dishonest reporting by the Washington Post allowed Georgia DA Fani Willis to build a case she claims fits under racketeering predicates. Problem is it's all based on fraud.

Read the full Georgia indictment against Trump and 18 allies

Former President Donald Trump was indicted Monday on racketeering, conspiracy and other charges by a grand jury in Fulton County, Georgia.

www.pbs.org

Listen to the whole phone call.