GOP support a raise in taxes

[Skynet]

If you truly believe that having a very small percentage of people increase their wealth exponentially while the rest of the people's wealth diminishes than nobody can help you. This is exactly what has been happening over the last 30 years. If it continues, eventually there will be a revolution. History has proven this time and time again.

I used to support much of this type of thinking. The difference is that I see how much it has hurt us as a country. It is the main reason that our kids, as a whole, will have a lower standard of living than our generation, and it will only get worse from there if we continue with policies that reward an elite class of people while completely neglecting the needs of the masses.

Income taxes, which is the topic we are discussing, only apply to money that is earned.

It isn't a "reward" to keep the same percentage of what one earns as everyone else.

That's called justice, equality, and equal treatment.

On a separate topic:

For the record, I agree that we will need to increase taxes.

But first, spending needs to be cut to the bone.

If we raise taxes before spending is cut, spending won't be cut...congress will just kick the can down the road....again.

then why does every GOP solution continue the mantra of cutting taxes? look at Pawlenty's plans, he wants to eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. all which favor only the wealthy.

 

[The Rabbi]

As a percentage of GDP, we have the lowest amount of revenue in over 60 years. Are you truly that dense? Last year we had $2.1 trillion in revenue. In 2000, we had $2.05 trillion. We had $500 billion more in 2010 compared to 2000, but GDP was $14.6 trillion in 2010 and only $9.8 trillion in 2000. You are a fool.

According to you, in the year 2100, we'll be okay with $2.2 trillion in revenue on a GDP of over $200 trillion since revenue is still higher. What an idiot.

That's probably because we had a recession.
In any case what does it matter? Does gov't have some claim on a given percentage of revenue? Do you want to claim that raising taxes is a patriotic duty or something? Do you really think that with 9% unemployment and the lowest workforce participation rate in 50 years that a tax increase will make the economy zoom?
No, you are the fool I think.

so pick your poison -

well you know all those tax cuts grew the economy so well, lets keep up that practice, but you better be willing accept huge deficits for the foreseeable future.

or we just eliminate all the social programs and throw grandma, grandpa and the poor out on the street.

cause both of those are just great ideas for the country.

So the alternative is to throw grandma and the poor out on the street? Do you really believe that?

 

[The Rabbi]

If you truly believe that having a very small percentage of people increase their wealth exponentially while the rest of the people's wealth diminishes than nobody can help you. This is exactly what has been happening over the last 30 years. If it continues, eventually there will be a revolution. History has proven this time and time again.

I used to support much of this type of thinking. The difference is that I see how much it has hurt us as a country. It is the main reason that our kids, as a whole, will have a lower standard of living than our generation, and it will only get worse from there if we continue with policies that reward an elite class of people while completely neglecting the needs of the masses.

Income taxes, which is the topic we are discussing, only apply to money that is earned.

It isn't a "reward" to keep the same percentage of what one earns as everyone else.

That's called justice, equality, and equal treatment.

On a separate topic:

For the record, I agree that we will need to increase taxes.

But first, spending needs to be cut to the bone.

If we raise taxes before spending is cut, spending won't be cut...congress will just kick the can down the road....again.

then why does every GOP solution continue the mantra of cutting taxes? look at Pawlenty's plans, he wants to eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. all which favor only the wealthy.

Actually it favors people with capital gains, interest income, dividends, and estates. Most of these are middle class people.

 

[Skynet]

That's probably because we had a recession.
In any case what does it matter? Does gov't have some claim on a given percentage of revenue? Do you want to claim that raising taxes is a patriotic duty or something? Do you really think that with 9% unemployment and the lowest workforce participation rate in 50 years that a tax increase will make the economy zoom?
No, you are the fool I think.

so pick your poison -

well you know all those tax cuts grew the economy so well, lets keep up that practice, but you better be willing accept huge deficits for the foreseeable future.

or we just eliminate all the social programs and throw grandma, grandpa and the poor out on the street.

cause both of those are just great ideas for the country.

So the alternative is to throw grandma and the poor out on the street? Do you really believe that?

name your solution as well the affect it will cause.

you cut taxes - the deficit grows even more.

to cut spending you have to drastically cut the entitlements - which affect the elderly and poor


if you wont raise taxes, those are your two options

 

[Skynet]

Income taxes, which is the topic we are discussing, only apply to money that is earned.

It isn't a "reward" to keep the same percentage of what one earns as everyone else.

That's called justice, equality, and equal treatment.

On a separate topic:

For the record, I agree that we will need to increase taxes.

But first, spending needs to be cut to the bone.

If we raise taxes before spending is cut, spending won't be cut...congress will just kick the can down the road....again.

then why does every GOP solution continue the mantra of cutting taxes? look at Pawlenty's plans, he wants to eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. all which favor only the wealthy.

Actually it favors people with capital gains, interest income, dividends, and estates. Most of these are middle class people.

the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself.

 

[The Rabbi]

so pick your poison -

well you know all those tax cuts grew the economy so well, lets keep up that practice, but you better be willing accept huge deficits for the foreseeable future.

or we just eliminate all the social programs and throw grandma, grandpa and the poor out on the street.

cause both of those are just great ideas for the country.

So the alternative is to throw grandma and the poor out on the street? Do you really believe that?

name your solution as well the affect it will cause.

you cut taxes - the deficit grows even more.

to cut spending you have to drastically cut the entitlements - which affect the elderly and poor


if you wont raise taxes, those are your two options

That's a false dichotomy. And that's giving you a lot of credit.

 

[Skynet]

heres a link to help out with that

Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts - Jun. 17, 2011

 

[The Rabbi]

then why does every GOP solution continue the mantra of cutting taxes? look at Pawlenty's plans, he wants to eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. all which favor only the wealthy.

Actually it favors people with capital gains, interest income, dividends, and estates. Most of these are middle class people.

the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself.

So now you've at least admitted your dishonesty.

 

[Skynet]

Actually it favors people with capital gains, interest income, dividends, and estates. Most of these are middle class people.

the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself.

So now you've at least admitted your dishonesty.

waiting for you proof on this........

 

[The Rabbi]

the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself.

So now you've at least admitted your dishonesty.

waiting for you proof on this........

First you wrote Pawlenty's plan favored "only teh wealthy." Then you admit it will benefit middle class people too.
That's dishonest.
If you claim you weren't dishonest then that is evidence you are more dishonest.

 

[Skynet]

So now you've at least admitted your dishonesty.

waiting for you proof on this........

First you wrote Pawlenty's plan favored "only teh wealthy." Then you admit it will benefit middle class people too.
That's dishonest.
If you claim you weren't dishonest then that is evidence you are more dishonest.

"the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself."

yup i said those exact words....

again you have shown reading comprehension is not your strong point

 

[Skynet]

Under the terms of his recently revealed economic plan, Americans in the top 20% of earners would see their taxes cut by an average of $23,500, an 8.6 percentage point drop in their tax rate, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

And the top 1% would get an annual average reduction of $261,000, a 14.8 percentage point drop.
Meanwhile, Americans in the lowest 20% of income would see their taxes drop by an average of only $23, a 0.2 percentage point change in their tax rate.

Put another way, Americans who earn between $40,000 and $50,000 a year will see their after-tax income increase by 1.7%, while Americans who earn more than $1 million will see a 24.1% bump.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/17/news/economy/pawlenty_taxes/index.htm?iid=HP_LN&hpt=po_bn1

 

[The Rabbi]

waiting for you proof on this........

First you wrote Pawlenty's plan favored "only teh wealthy." Then you admit it will benefit middle class people too.
That's dishonest.
If you claim you weren't dishonest then that is evidence you are more dishonest.

"the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself."

yup i said those exact words....

again you have shown reading comprehension is not your strong point

So you didn't write this:

then why does every GOP solution continue the mantra of cutting taxes? look at Pawlenty's plans, he wants to eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. all which favor only the wealthy.

You are even more dishonest and deceptive than I thought. Not to mention stupid.

 

[Skynet]

First you wrote Pawlenty's plan favored "only teh wealthy." Then you admit it will benefit middle class people too.
That's dishonest.
If you claim you weren't dishonest then that is evidence you are more dishonest.

"the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself."

yup i said those exact words....

again you have shown reading comprehension is not your strong point

So you didn't write this:

then why does every GOP solution continue the mantra of cutting taxes? look at Pawlenty's plans, he wants to eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. all which favor only the wealthy.

You are even more dishonest and deceptive than I thought. Not to mention stupid.

Under the terms of his recently revealed economic plan, Americans in the top 20% of earners would see their taxes cut by an average of $23,500, an 8.6 percentage point drop in their tax rate, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

And the top 1% would get an annual average reduction of $261,000, a 14.8 percentage point drop.
Meanwhile, Americans in the lowest 20% of income would see their taxes drop by an average of only $23, a 0.2 percentage point change in their tax rate.

Put another way, Americans who earn between $40,000 and $50,000 a year will see their after-tax income increase by 1.7%, while Americans who earn more than $1 million will see a 24.1% bump.

again, reading comprehension is tough for you isnt it. yes these CUTS FAVOR ONLY THE WEALTHY!!!!! the average person would see a tiny increase income because he wants to lower income tax levels as well.

read the line again: capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. all which favor only the wealthy.

 

[The Rabbi]

Under the terms of his recently revealed economic plan, Americans in the top 20% of earners would see their taxes cut by an average of $23,500, an 8.6 percentage point drop in their tax rate, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

And the top 1% would get an annual average reduction of $261,000, a 14.8 percentage point drop.
Meanwhile, Americans in the lowest 20% of income would see their taxes drop by an average of only $23, a 0.2 percentage point change in their tax rate.

Put another way, Americans who earn between $40,000 and $50,000 a year will see their after-tax income increase by 1.7%, while Americans who earn more than $1 million will see a 24.1% bump.

Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts - Jun. 17, 2011

High income earners (not "the wealthy") earn more from different sources and thus are more sensitive to changes in tax rates and policies.
This is news to you?

 

[The Rabbi]

"the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself."

yup i said those exact words....

again you have shown reading comprehension is not your strong point

So you didn't write this:

then why does every GOP solution continue the mantra of cutting taxes? look at Pawlenty's plans, he wants to eliminate all together the capital gains tax, interest income tax, dividends tax and the death tax. all which favor only the wealthy.

You are even more dishonest and deceptive than I thought. Not to mention stupid.

Under the terms of his recently revealed economic plan, Americans in the top 20% of earners would see their taxes cut by an average of $23,500, an 8.6 percentage point drop in their tax rate, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

And the top 1% would get an annual average reduction of $261,000, a 14.8 percentage point drop.
Meanwhile, Americans in the lowest 20% of income would see their taxes drop by an average of only $23, a 0.2 percentage point change in their tax rate.

Put another way, Americans who earn between $40,000 and $50,000 a year will see their after-tax income increase by 1.7%, while Americans who earn more than $1 million will see a 24.1% bump.

again, reading comprehension is tough for you isnt it.

Did you or did you not write first that Pawlenty's plan will benefit only the wealthy, and then write it would benefit the middle class too?
This isn't hard, you know. Just admit you're a fucking pathetic liar and fraud and let's move on.

 

[Skynet]

So you didn't write this:


You are even more dishonest and deceptive than I thought. Not to mention stupid.

Under the terms of his recently revealed economic plan, Americans in the top 20% of earners would see their taxes cut by an average of $23,500, an 8.6 percentage point drop in their tax rate, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

And the top 1% would get an annual average reduction of $261,000, a 14.8 percentage point drop.
Meanwhile, Americans in the lowest 20% of income would see their taxes drop by an average of only $23, a 0.2 percentage point change in their tax rate.

Put another way, Americans who earn between $40,000 and $50,000 a year will see their after-tax income increase by 1.7%, while Americans who earn more than $1 million will see a 24.1% bump.

again, reading comprehension is tough for you isnt it.

Did you or did you not write first that Pawlenty's plan will benefit only the wealthy, and then write it would benefit the middle class too?
This isn't hard, you know. Just admit you're a fucking pathetic liar and fraud and let's move on.

show me the exact words "benefit the middle class"

retard

 

[The Rabbi]

Under the terms of his recently revealed economic plan, Americans in the top 20% of earners would see their taxes cut by an average of $23,500, an 8.6 percentage point drop in their tax rate, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

And the top 1% would get an annual average reduction of $261,000, a 14.8 percentage point drop.
Meanwhile, Americans in the lowest 20% of income would see their taxes drop by an average of only $23, a 0.2 percentage point change in their tax rate.

Put another way, Americans who earn between $40,000 and $50,000 a year will see their after-tax income increase by 1.7%, while Americans who earn more than $1 million will see a 24.1% bump.

again, reading comprehension is tough for you isnt it.

Did you or did you not write first that Pawlenty's plan will benefit only the wealthy, and then write it would benefit the middle class too?
This isn't hard, you know. Just admit you're a fucking pathetic liar and fraud and let's move on.

show me the exact words "benefit the middle class"

retard

Wow are you stupid.

the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself.

Or are you going to say that it isn't the exact same wording so not the same thing? It is the exact same meaning. Or do you not understand the meaning of what you write?

 

[Skynet]

Did you or did you not write first that Pawlenty's plan will benefit only the wealthy, and then write it would benefit the middle class too?
This isn't hard, you know. Just admit you're a fucking pathetic liar and fraud and let's move on.

show me the exact words "benefit the middle class"

retard

Wow are you stupid.

the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself.

Or are you going to say that it isn't the exact same wording so not the same thing? It is the exact same meaning. Or do you not understand the meaning of what you write?

so the "average middle class person will not benefit" means the "average middle class person will benefit" in your mind?

guess the word not escaped you there

 

[The Rabbi]

show me the exact words "benefit the middle class"

retard

Wow are you stupid.

the average middle class person will not benefit from this as much as the wealthy. if you can not see this you need to educate yourself.

Or are you going to say that it isn't the exact same wording so not the same thing? It is the exact same meaning. Or do you not understand the meaning of what you write?

so the "average middle class person will not benefit" means the "average middle class person will benefit" in your mind?

guess the word not escaped you there

I guess the idea that "not benefit as much as" means they will benefit kind of escaped you.
Are you really stupid or just afraid to admit you're wrong?