God and Man

[Bullypulpit]

Wrong.

"Clement became the leader of the Alexandrian school in AD 190. He saw the literal meaning of Scripture as being a "starting point" for interpretation." link

Not only that, but the early church fathers believed in Sola Scriptura, which would mean nothing without a literal translation of Scripture.

I was speaking in terms of its modern American incarnation which, again, can be traced back to the 19 century when it gained a real foothold.

 

[Bullypulpit]

I am familiar with laments as well. 6 years ago I lost my infant daughter.
I couldnt understand why God would allow it to happen, I was even angry at him about it.
But I couldnt let that change what I believe.
As a matter of fact I sometimes find comfort knowing that she will be waiting in heaven for me.
Lament is not such a bad thing, just painful sometimes.
And as far as prayers being answered, it happens when God sees its time.
Take me for example, I was a drug addict for years when I was younger, It was pretty much the only thing I knew.
I spent years praying that God would help me, even though I didnt really know God, I had respect for him and wanted to do the right thing.
And eventually God did exactly that, but it took a while.
Im not sure why God made me wait, but Im sure he had a reason.
Sometimes it takes time.

My condolences for your loss, it's never a light burden to bear.

But are you sure it wasn't you who saw your way through your trials?

 

[Joz]

I am familiar with laments as well. 6 years ago I lost my infant daughter......I was a drug addict for years......
Im not sure why God made me wait, but Im sure he had a reason.
Sometimes it takes time.

I too, have lost a child Fisher. Not something I like having in common with someone.
As far as your drug addiction, I'm glad to hear you're clean & sober. But God doesn't wave a magic wand and answer prayers like that. You needed to get to the place in your life where you were ready to quit and be determined to stay that way. You had to do the work. God gave us doctors & organizatons to help with things like this, and He was there watching over you, but you still had to do the legwork. You are a testament. Welcome.

 

[Fisherking]

Welcome to the board, Fisherking!

Btw, there are many of us here who believe.

Thanks for the welcome, I cant believe the number of believers on here.
I was on a different messageboard where I wasnt at all welcome to express the things that I am on here, definitely friendlier people.

 

[Fisherking]

But are you sure it wasn't you who saw your way through your trials?

I guess It could be looked at like that, but I really try to give glory to whom glory is due, my strength is drawn from belief in Christ.
It is my belief in him that gives me strenghth, He is the source of all that is good.
So Sure I saw my way through these things, but he lit the way.
There are to many times we just dont realise it as that.

 

[Fisherking]

I too, have lost a child Fisher. Not something I like having in common with someone.
As far as your drug addiction, I'm glad to hear you're clean & sober. But God doesn't wave a magic wand and answer prayers like that. You needed to get to the place in your life where you were ready to quit and be determined to stay that way. You had to do the work. God gave us doctors & organizatons to help with things like this, and He was there watching over you, but you still had to do the legwork. You are a testament. Welcome.

I know what you mean, not the best thing to have in common.

Do you believe in miracles Joz?
I guess I do, because its a miracle in itself that I am here.
Many people wrote me off years ago, but for some reason, God spared me.
Prayer works, it helps provide the faith and encouragement needed for daily living.
Even as a drug user, I realised my need for God to help me through it.
Your correct, I did have to come to the point that I was ready to change.
But I needed Gods help.
God does give us the strength to do the legwork, but it comes by way of Christ. Isnt it great knowing that the creater of the universe is watching over
us so closely?

BTW, I appreciate the post and your welcome to usmb.

 

[Bullypulpit]

I guess It could be looked at like that, but I really try to give glory to whom glory is due, my strength is drawn from belief in Christ.
It is my belief in him that gives me strenghth, He is the source of all that is good.
So Sure I saw my way through these things, but he lit the way.
There are to many times we just dont realise it as that.

And I am glad you have found what you need through your faith. But what of those who don't share that need, or fulfill it through another path? Are they wrong? Are they to be compelled to follow a given path?

Personally, I don't believe so, but I would like to see your view on these questions.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

And I am glad you have found what you need through your faith. But what of those who don't share that need, or fulfill it through another path? Are they wrong? Are they to be compelled to follow a given path?

Personally, I don't believe so, but I would like to see your view on these questions.

Left wing radicalism is a religion for many. Despite proof of it's destructiveness, they still believe it's good. And they want to compel the subjugation of others to it. Superimpose this over the eco-wacko population reduction crowd and you see they know EXACTLY what they are doing, and are just trying to eliminate people from the planet to save resources for themselves. It's a religion, but it ultimately worships satan.

 

[Joz]

....Do you believe in miracles Joz?
I guess I do, because its a miracle in itself that I am here......

Miracles? For others; I'm not sure for me. I've seen miracles. And the fact that I'm still here? Sometimes I think it's just a cruel joke.

 

[jillian]

Left wing radicalism is a religion for many. Despite proof of it's destructiveness, they still believe it's good. And they want to compel the subjugation of others to it. Superimpose this over the eco-wacko population reduction crowd and you see they know EXACTLY what they are doing, and are just trying to eliminate people from the planet to save resources for themselves. It's a religion, but it ultimately worships satan.

 

[Diuretic]

Left wing radicalism is a religion for many. Despite proof of it's destructiveness, they still believe it's good. And they want to compel the subjugation of others to it. Superimpose this over the eco-wacko population reduction crowd and you see they know EXACTLY what they are doing, and are just trying to eliminate people from the planet to save resources for themselves. It's a religion, but it ultimately worships satan.

You just canned religion. Well done.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

What? There aren't committed socialists? They don't want socialism to be the law of the land? There arent' leftists who hatefully believe in decimating the human population?

AN actual rebuttal would be more effective than icons.

 

[Diuretic]

Here's a thought. Start another thread. Joz has posted some thoughts which are deeply personal and which, I would submit, aren't open to the sort of debate which is good fun but better done in another thread.

I made a mistake jumping in and having a shot myself. I am happy to continue it elsewhere though.

 

[5stringJeff]

What? There aren't committed socialists? They don't want socialism to be the law of the land? There arent' leftists who hatefully believe in decimating the human population?

AN actual rebuttal would be more effective than icons.

Again: not everything has to do with socialism and/or nationalism.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Again: not everything has to do with socialism and/or nationalism.

But socialism IS a religion for some, requiring the same elements of faith. IT even contains a moral code. It is therefore relevant to discussions of religion. Denying this is how libs create an asymmetrical discussion where they can attack religion all day long, but their belief system is off limits. I'm bringing a new level of honesty.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Wow. I just read what I wrote, and I sincerely rock.

 

[Diuretic]

But socialism IS a religion for some, requiring the same elements of faith. IT even contains a moral code. It is therefore relevant to discussions of religion. Denying this is how libs create an asymmetrical discussion where they can attack religion all day long, but their belief system is off limits. I'm bringing a new level of honesty.

Hang onto the Onanism urge there Captain.

Take this to another thread and let's sort it out there.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Hang onto the Onanism urge there Captain.

Take this to another thread and let's sort it out there.

Just make your point, rules boy. Jeff's just puffin.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

"self-puffery" -- by Kathianne :rotflmao:

 

[Diuretic]

Just make your point, rules boy. Jeff's just puffin.

Well no, I'm used to asking blokes to step outside, so please do.

Let's take the topic - the one you have teased out of a perfectly decent thread - and put it into another thread and we can discuss it. That would be a simple courtesy to the person who began the thread. I have no desire to slug it out in this one.