Free speech covers religious speech.

[Shattered]

This thread was never about work ethic. You're twisting the thread into something totally different.

You twisted it by implying that perhaps I was giving the responses I was would be because my boss was watching. You're incorrect.

SO is there to be no chatting at work on any subject, when not on break? Is that your final answer? Or do you want customers to not talk about anything but the business at hand? What's your damage, Heather?

Most of the customers don't *want* idle chit-chat. They want to conclude the business at hand, and be on their way. I make sure they're obliged.

And when on break, are all topics ok with you?

When you're off the company clock, what you do is your perrogative so long as you abide by the posted rules in the break room.

WHat if you're on break, and the customer sees you in the breakroom, then what? Can he talk to you then, and if so, regarding which subjects?

Customers will never "see" me on break, nor will they "see" anyone else on break. It looks unprofessional. The breakroom is in a closed off area.

 

[no1tovote4]

I'm not in a position to do that. If I had some $5.00 an hour job at McDonalds or something, I probably *would* do that...getting fired, I wouldn't have much more to lose than $5 an hour and those jobs are a dime a dozen.

Too bad, it would be fun to watch their faces wouldn't it?

 

[MissileMan]

This thread was never about work ethic. You're twisting the thread into something totally different.

SO is there to be no chatting at work on any subject, when not on break? Is that your final answer? Or do you want customers to not talk about anything but the business at hand? What's your damage, Heather?

There is a difference between "production oriented" and "Customer Service Oriented" work. In the "Customer Service Oriented", chatting it up with the customer is part of the job...in the casino industry where I work, it is mandated, and customer interaction training is given to everyone who comes into contact with the guests.

In "production oriented" the employer has every right to demand X amount of work for X amount of pay.

It all relates directly to whether someone has the "right" to express their religious beliefs when they are supposed to be working.

 

[Shattered]

Too bad, it would be fun to watch their faces wouldn't it?

Sooooooooo many times, I just wanted to hold on to all of the pamphlets I get handed to me, and stuck on my car...Just go to church once every couple months, and put *those* in the donation plates.

*sigh*

 

[Said1]

It all relates directly to whether someone has the "right" to express their religious beliefs when they are supposed to be working.

Or the right to express anything not work related while working. Break time is another story.

 

[freeandfun1]

I can't believe that ANYBODY has a job, working with other people - in any capacity - where all they talk about is work, 100% of the time (except when on break). I don't buy it, I won't buy it and I don't believe it.

 

[JOKER96BRAVO]

So we all know that what you can say is sometimes frowned upon at work,
and that there are consequences in some cases. No it's not "constitutionaly"
right, but neither is not allowing me to bring my handgun to work. I think
we can agree to disagree and accept whatever policy our place of
employement has put forth. That's just the harsh reality of life, society
may be fading away from the words our forefathers have created to
protect this great nation and it's outstanding citizens. So what can we do
about it? We can't make everyone happy, that's apparent. How do we
decide what's in the best interest of all the people without turning into
a dictatorship? Is the issue REALLY what you can't say at work, or something
deeper? Am I just rambling on like some idiot who's misinterpreted the bigger
picture? I know and never pretend to be as smart as half the people on here,
so I need some help from time to time and I'm not affraid to ask for it.
Let me know what you think. (with no flamming please)

 

[Shattered]

I can't believe that ANYBODY has a job, working with other people - in any capacity - where all they talk about is work, 100% of the time (except when on break). I don't buy it, I won't buy it and I don't believe it.

Ok. I

 

[Said1]

I can't believe that ANYBODY has a job, working with other people - in any capacity - where all they talk about is work, 100% of the time (except when on break). I don't buy it, I won't buy it and I don't believe it.

Of course not, that'ss never the situation, hence all the clawing about what is acceptable, and what isn't.

 

[JOKER96BRAVO]

So we all know that what you can say is sometimes frowned upon at work,
and that there are consequences in some cases. No it's not "constitutionaly"
right, but neither is not allowing me to bring my handgun to work. I think
we can agree to disagree and accept whatever policy our place of
employement has put forth. That's just the harsh reality of life, society
may be fading away from the words our forefathers have created to
protect this great nation and it's outstanding citizens. So what can we do
about it? We can't make everyone happy, that's apparent. How do we
decide what's in the best interest of all the people without turning into
a dictatorship? Is the issue REALLY what you can't say at work, or something
deeper? Am I just rambling on like some idiot who's misinterpreted the bigger
picture? I know and never pretend to be as smart as half the people on here,
so I need some help from time to time and I'm not affraid to ask for it.
Let me know what you think. (with no flamming please)

I guess I was just rambling on like some idiot who's misinterpreted
the bigger picture.

 

[freeandfun1]

Of course not, that'ss never the situation, hence all the clawing about what is acceptable, and what isn't.

Exactly. I just saw a few posts talking about how all the poster does when working and not on break is work and they never have side discussions about anything but work. I seriously doubt that.

 

[freeandfun1]

I guess I was just rambling on like some idiot who's misinterpreted
the bigger picture.

We like your rambles. It keeps us sane.

 

[Shattered]

You're under the mistaken impression that these employees have close personal contact with one another.. Not so. It's not like a restaurant wherein people are standing around waiting for food/drinks to be ready to serve.. If anyone reports seeing you "goofing off" (which is what chat-chat is considered in this company), it's considered "insubordination"... It means that you're not doing what you should be while you're punched in... We cater to professionals, which means we're required to BE professional at all times.

I don't know of any better way to explain it.

 

[Said1]

You're under the mistaken impression that these employees have close personal contact with one another.. Not so. It's not like a restaurant wherein people are standing around waiting for food/drinks to be ready to serve.. If anyone reports seeing you "goofing off" (which is what chat-chat is considered in this company), it's considered "insubordination"... It means that you're not doing what you should be while you're punched in... We cater to professionals, which means we're required to BE professional at all times.

I don't know of any better way to explain it.

Sounds like the military.

 

[Shattered]

Sounds like the military.

It might as well be, with some of the rules they have... Those that disagree with said policies find themselves looking for new jobs, regardless of what they think of FoS. It's as simple as that. Free doesn't believe it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's true.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

There is a difference between "production oriented" and "Customer Service Oriented" work. In the "Customer Service Oriented", chatting it up with the customer is part of the job...in the casino industry where I work, it is mandated, and customer interaction training is given to everyone who comes into contact with the guests.

In "production oriented" the employer has every right to demand X amount of work for X amount of pay.

It all relates directly to whether someone has the "right" to express their religious beliefs when they are supposed to be working.

Everyone twisted it into this. I assumed this whole thread was assumed to refer to a context where chat at all was acceptable.

Of course, if your employer is a total nazi and demands only 100% work related speech at all times, which I highly doubt is ACTUALLY the case of anyone here.

In contexts where chat is acceptable, religious chat is as protected by law as non religious chat. The fact that employers may outlaw religious speech out of litigious fear doesn't make it noble or right, but it is what we must adhere to. Hopefully employers will begin to stick up for what is legal instead of catering to their own fears of litigation from senseless, tyrannical libs.

 

[JOKER96BRAVO]

Everyone twisted it into this. I assumed this whole thread was assumed to refer to a context where chat at all was acceptable.

Of course, if your employer is a total nazi and demands only 100% work related speech at all times, which I highly doubt is ACTUALLY the case of anyone here.

In contexts where chat is acceptable, religious chat is as protected by law as non religious chat. The fact that employers may outlaw religious speech out of litigious fear doesn't make it noble or right, but it is what we must adhere to. Hopefully employers will begin to stick up for what is legal instead of catering to their own fears of litigation from senseless, tyrannical libs.

I agree....whew that was easier than I thought....
What would you suggest?
(I'm not trying to be a smartass)

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I agree....whew that was easier than I thought....
What would you suggest?
(I'm not trying to be a smartass)

Explain your work policy on suppression of religious speech, not as something you do because it's right, but something you do because you don't want to get your ass sued, by whiny ass libs.

And furthermore, that you look forward to a day that when someone complains about the christians in the next cubicle offending them, you can tell the whiny ass to go back to work and quit whining.

 

[JOKER96BRAVO]

Explain your work policy on suppression of religious speech, not as something you do because it's right, but something you do because you don't want to get your ass sued, by whiny ass libs.

And furthermore, that you look forward to a day that when someone complains about the christians in the next cubicle offending them, you can tell the whiny ass to go back to work and quit whining.

I wish it could work that way.
Glad we could all tone this down from a heated debate.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Shattered. I was rereading this and I really do apologize for some of the awfulness I typed in here.

We need more true libs, then we won't turn on each other so much.