Fox Wars

[Soggy in NOLA]

It is supposed to be construed as at least true. And that's where Glenn "I cry because it boosts my ratings" Beck falls short.

My Dad was right... don't argue with fools.

Buh bye.

 

[WillowTree]

And as a grownup, it is his responsibility to punish, or disown, childish media outlets that make outrageous false claims about the president.

Oh God.. wher to start dissecting this lunacy?

It is the president's responsibility to "punish" the media? To "disown" them??? Like what outrageous, fake claims? WTF is wrong with you? In the words of Wayne Campbell... "are you mental"????

Oh, I don't know claims like:

"Obama is a Nazi." - Glenn Beck

"Obama is a Stalinist." - Sean Hannity

"Obama is a racist with a deep seated hatred of white people" - Glenn Beck

"The Health Care Plan is a plot to bring Nazi Eugenics to America". - Glenn Beck

"The National Debt is a plot by the Obama administration to increase the power of the executive branch in an attempt to turn America into a Totalitarian State" - That fat black guy from Fox Business Channel

Do you need more?

And just because these claims are made on "Opinion" shows, doesn't mean that FoxNews isnt' still making the claims.

They do not run any retractions, do they?

What is it about obamalama that makes you think he is not a Marxist?

 

[Annie]

It is not just Fox that has lowered their professional standards. They all have. Fox are no different. To say that one is less or more professional is ridiculous... They are all as bad as the other.

That is completely false.

When Dan Rather brought up false information on an "Opinion" show (60 Minutes), he was FIRED IMMEDIATELY.

FoxNews lies every single day, using the title of "Opinion Show" as cover.

No other network, except for MSNBC, as we already discussed, has EVER called the president of the United States a "Nazi", a "Stalinist" or a "Racist" on air. NOT ONCE. If anyone on any of the major networks did such a thing, they would be fired.

The POTUS is supposed to be a fucking grown up. Bush was an ass with certain media outlets - that does not mean that this POTUS should do likewise.

And as a grownup, it is his responsibility to punish, or disown, childish media outlets that make outrageous false claims about the president.

Wrong on the 'immediately' and the 'fired':

Poynter Online - Dan Rather Timeline and Resources

September 8, 2004
60 Minutes II report on President George W. Bush's Air National Guard service. (Poynter Online coverage)

November 23, 2004
Dan Rather announces his retirement as anchor of the CBS Evening News.

March 9, 2005
Dan Rather retires as the anchor of the CBS Evening News.

June 20, 2006
Sean McManus, president of CBS News and Sports, announces that Dan Rather will be leaving CBS.

July 11, 2006
It is announced that Dan Rather will produce and host Dan Rather Reports for HDNet.

 

[Nosmo King]

And again I will point out to you, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there will anyone hear it fall?

Kerry On!

Ever actually watch what passes for reportage on Fox? Ever see Glenn "I wish I had paid attention in school" Beck try to dissect the Obama administration? Fox is a propaganda outlet, not a news gathering organization.

And still I contend that judging a news organization based on ratings is like saying McDonald's food is superior to all other cuisine based on french fry sales. I don't understand your "Talking Points" comment.

what part of what Beck says is incorrect?

Congressional Budget Office and Politifact debunk Glenn Beck’s ‘lies’: Clean energy economy costs only a postage stamp a day « Climate Progress

Beck falsely accused Reid of lying about support for public option | Media Matters for America

Achenblog - Glenn Beck, Time and Media Matters [Updated]

Should I go on?

 

[Nosmo King]

It is supposed to be construed as at least true. And that's where Glenn "I cry because it boosts my ratings" Beck falls short.

My Dad was right... don't argue with fools.

Buh bye.

Well argued. Just like a trapped animal, you'll chew off your own foot before admitting your mistake.

 

[Nosmo King]

Oh God.. wher to start dissecting this lunacy?

It is the president's responsibility to "punish" the media? To "disown" them??? Like what outrageous, fake claims? WTF is wrong with you? In the words of Wayne Campbell... "are you mental"????

Oh, I don't know claims like:

"Obama is a Nazi." - Glenn Beck

"Obama is a Stalinist." - Sean Hannity

"Obama is a racist with a deep seated hatred of white people" - Glenn Beck

"The Health Care Plan is a plot to bring Nazi Eugenics to America". - Glenn Beck

"The National Debt is a plot by the Obama administration to increase the power of the executive branch in an attempt to turn America into a Totalitarian State" - That fat black guy from Fox Business Channel

Do you need more?

And just because these claims are made on "Opinion" shows, doesn't mean that FoxNews isnt' still making the claims.

They do not run any retractions, do they?

What is it about obamalama that makes you think he is not a Marxist?

Try the actual defintion of "Marxist" for starters.

 

[WillowTree]

Ever actually watch what passes for reportage on Fox? Ever see Glenn "I wish I had paid attention in school" Beck try to dissect the Obama administration? Fox is a propaganda outlet, not a news gathering organization.

And still I contend that judging a news organization based on ratings is like saying McDonald's food is superior to all other cuisine based on french fry sales. I don't understand your "Talking Points" comment.

what part of what Beck says is incorrect?

Congressional Budget Office and Politifact debunk Glenn Beck’s ‘lies’: Clean energy economy costs only a postage stamp a day « Climate Progress

Beck falsely accused Reid of lying about support for public option | Media Matters for America

Achenblog - Glenn Beck, Time and Media Matters [Updated]

Should I go on?

not necessary, media matters is all you had to say.

 

[WillowTree]

Oh, I don't know claims like:

"Obama is a Nazi." - Glenn Beck

"Obama is a Stalinist." - Sean Hannity

"Obama is a racist with a deep seated hatred of white people" - Glenn Beck

"The Health Care Plan is a plot to bring Nazi Eugenics to America". - Glenn Beck

"The National Debt is a plot by the Obama administration to increase the power of the executive branch in an attempt to turn America into a Totalitarian State" - That fat black guy from Fox Business Channel

Do you need more?

And just because these claims are made on "Opinion" shows, doesn't mean that FoxNews isnt' still making the claims.

They do not run any retractions, do they?

What is it about obamalama that makes you think he is not a Marxist?

Try the actual defintion of "Marxist" for starters.

and?

 

[Vast LWC]

Prime time is from 8 PM to 11 PM.

What fills those time slots?

a. I have no Earthly clue what fill sthese slots.
b. What does this have to do with Fox news shows?

YOu disagreed that 90% of FoxNews is "Opinion" programming. Thus the question.

Here's the lineup during all the hours people might be not working and watching:

5:00 - Glenn Beck (Opinion)
6:00 - Bret Baier (Opinion)
7:00 - Sheppard Smith (News)
8:00 - Bill O'Reilly (Opinion)
9:00 - Hannity (Opinion)
10:00 - Greta Van Sustren (Opinion)
11:00 - Bill O'Reilly (Opinion)

So, one out of eight shows on their most-watched lineup are Opinion.

 

[California Girl]

And now I remember why I commented in my first post in this thread. It is impossible to have a discussion about news without some blithering idiots who can't tell the difference between a 'commentator' (Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, et al) and 'news'.

If you cannot differentiate, then there is no point in discussing the issues surrounding the sorry state of US news media.

 

[AllieBaba]

Main Entry: Marx·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈmärk-ˌsi-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1887
: the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

— Marx·ist \-sist\ noun or adjective
Marxism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Sounds like Obama to me.

 

[Vast LWC]

Wrong on the 'immediately' and the 'fired':

Poynter Online - Dan Rather Timeline and Resources

September 8, 2004
60 Minutes II report on President George W. Bush's Air National Guard service. (Poynter Online coverage)

November 23, 2004
Dan Rather announces his retirement as anchor of the CBS Evening News.

March 9, 2005
Dan Rather retires as the anchor of the CBS Evening News.

June 20, 2006
Sean McManus, president of CBS News and Sports, announces that Dan Rather will be leaving CBS.

July 11, 2006
It is announced that Dan Rather will produce and host Dan Rather Reports for HDNet.

Except that as we all founud out later, said "Retirement" was forced.

Which is why Dan Rather sued CBS later on.

Oh, and a month is pretty damn immediate, compared to the FoxNews history of NEVER firing people for passingn false information.

 

[Annie]

Wrong on the 'immediately' and the 'fired':

Poynter Online - Dan Rather Timeline and Resources

September 8, 2004
60 Minutes II report on President George W. Bush's Air National Guard service. (Poynter Online coverage)

November 23, 2004
Dan Rather announces his retirement as anchor of the CBS Evening News.

March 9, 2005
Dan Rather retires as the anchor of the CBS Evening News.

June 20, 2006
Sean McManus, president of CBS News and Sports, announces that Dan Rather will be leaving CBS.

July 11, 2006
It is announced that Dan Rather will produce and host Dan Rather Reports for HDNet.

Except that as we all founud out later, said "Retirement" was forced.

Which is why Dan Rather sued CBS later on.

Oh, and a month is pretty damn immediate, compared to the FoxNews history of NEVER firing people for passingn false information.

6 months does not equal 1 month. He did not sue for firing, he sued for not being given air time on 60 minutes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/business/media/20cbs.html?pagewanted=print

 

[Vast LWC]

And now I remember why I commented in my first post in this thread. It is impossible to have a discussion about news without some blithering idiots who can't tell the difference between a 'commentator' (Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, et al) and 'news'.

If you cannot differentiate, then there is no point in discussing the issues surrounding the sorry state of US news media.

I can surely tell the difference between a "Commentator" and a "Journalist".

Apparently, however, you don't understand the concept of "Synergy", especially where it applies to having all your news and comments adhere to a specific narrative.

Also you appear to be unfamiliar with the concept of "Lying by Omission".

I would suggest reading Ken Auletta, he describes the concept of "Synergy" quite well, epecially in relation to the Synergy between Media and Advertisers.

I would also suggest you try another tactic to argue this point, because calling people who disagree with you "blithering idiots" really doesn't prove your point.

 

[Vast LWC]

Main Entry: Marx·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈmärk-ˌsi-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1887
: the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

— Marx·ist \-sist\ noun or adjective
Marxism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Sounds like Obama to me.

Hmm, so Obama has had the government take over the means of production for the entire country??? Wow, that's interesting.

And Obama has taken the profits from said means of production and redistributed it to the proletariat? Really interesting.

As far as I can tell, Mr Obama has had the government take control of ONE company, GM, and that was in the direst of circumstances, imminent bankruptcy.

This makes Obama a "Marxist"? Wow, that's quite a statement.

Does this also make him a "Stalinist", as Hannity called him?

 

[California Girl]

And now I remember why I commented in my first post in this thread. It is impossible to have a discussion about news without some blithering idiots who can't tell the difference between a 'commentator' (Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, et al) and 'news'.

If you cannot differentiate, then there is no point in discussing the issues surrounding the sorry state of US news media.

I can surely tell the difference between a "Commentator" and a "Journalist".

Apparently, however, you don't understand the concept of "Synergy", especially where it applies to having all your news and comments adhere to a specific narrative.

Also you appear to be unfamiliar with the concept of "Lying by Omission".

I would suggest reading Ken Auletta, he describes the concept of "Synergy" quite well, epecially in relation to the Synergy between Media and Advertisers.

I would also suggest you try another tactic to argue this point, because calling people who disagree with you "blithering idiots" really doesn't prove your point.

I've read everything worth reading regarding the media. I know the business extremely well, thanks. I work with 'commentators' and 'journalists' etc pretty much every day.

 

[AllieBaba]

I hope you knock them around every chance you get.

For the most part, they're ASSHOLES.

Carry on.

 

[Coyote]

Oh God.. wher to start dissecting this lunacy?

It is the president's responsibility to "punish" the media? To "disown" them??? Like what outrageous, fake claims? WTF is wrong with you? In the words of Wayne Campbell... "are you mental"????

Oh, I don't know claims like:

"Obama is a Nazi." - Glenn Beck

"Obama is a Stalinist." - Sean Hannity

"Obama is a racist with a deep seated hatred of white people" - Glenn Beck

"The Health Care Plan is a plot to bring Nazi Eugenics to America". - Glenn Beck

"The National Debt is a plot by the Obama administration to increase the power of the executive branch in an attempt to turn America into a Totalitarian State" - That fat black guy from Fox Business Channel

Do you need more?

And just because these claims are made on "Opinion" shows, doesn't mean that FoxNews isnt' still making the claims.

They do not run any retractions, do they?

What is it about obamalama that makes you think he is not a Marxist?

Reality.

 

[Vast LWC]

6 months does not equal 1 month. He did not sue for firing, he sued for not being given air time on 60 minutes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/business/media/20cbs.html?pagewanted=print

From your link:

Mr. Rather, 75, asserts that the network violated his contract by giving him insufficient airtime on “60 Minutes” after forcing him to step down as anchor of the “CBS Evening News” in March 2005.

In other words, CBS forced him to retire, which he did a month after the incident, and then didn't let him back on the air after his actual date of retirement.

Sounds like getting "Fired" to me... 'Course I guess I just don't understand all this media stuff...

 

[Vast LWC]

I've read everything worth reading regarding the media. I know the business extremely well, thanks. I work with 'commentators' and 'journalists' etc pretty much every day.

Well, then you must know exactly what I'm talking about.