Fox Wars

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    Interesting column from a very good writer. I didn't live in the U.S. during the Bush administration so I don't know whether this is a new thing or not, but I personally find the stated goal of marginalizing a news network to be troubling.

    The Blair Government tried the same thing in Britain for a few years, led by uber spin doctor Alastair Campbell. However, as that Government's policies and (stated) successes began to fray around the edges, so did the attempt to manipulate public opinion. Obama would do well to remember that even the most partisan media outlets will only remain onside while there is plausible success to report. When the juicy tidbits that were being fed to them are no longer palatable, all media will quite happily bite the hand that was doing the feeding.

     
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    It's a good article.

    Before this thread turns into yet another anti-Fox rant-fest, I will say this. This Administraton has shot itself in the foot by publicly denouncing Fox. Not just for the fact that Fox is the highest rated news channel on cable - and consistently kicks the ass of each and every one of its competitors. But, more importantly, they should be concerned with communicating their messsage to Fox viewers - because they are Americans and therefore part of the 'we, the people' who employ the Administration.

    The days of the 4th estate, the media 'watchdogs' is rapidly dying - not just because of the internet but more importantly because we appear to have replaced the 'watchdogs' with 'lapdogs'. The media has been so enamoured with Obama that they forgot to do their job. Shame on them.

    It should not fall to one news outlet to watch our Government and the reason why so many are turning into Fox is because they are the only station that are not just reporting but investigating and presenting alternative views.
     
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    Over the top but on the mark

    If you can get by the histrionics and theatrics, talk jock Glenn Beck does a nice job of weaving together what might appear to be disparate scenarios, but when viewed as a whole, leave you with the nagging feeling that Obama and his team are much further left than his campaign rhetoric led us to believe.


    I can only take so much of Beck, and catch his show only because he comes on when I'm working out on the treadmill or elliptical, and bored to death. He is as far to the right as MoveOn.org is too far to the left. (If either moved another inch they'd fall over.) Yet, now I find myself watching him for breaking news! That sounds like a bad joke.

    Over the top but on the mark
     
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    I agree and disagree. I think the media has also shot itself in the foot by moving more and more towards "opinion" journalism and less and less on simply reporting the news and on accuracy (ie - Dan Rather) - espcially reporting the news beyond sound-bite portions. Marginalizing didn't start with Obama - the former administration had it's own battles and boycotts with news networks. Prior to that - I don't recall it being as much of an issue.

    It's not good because the media is supposed to be a watchdog and it has for some time failed miserably.
     
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    Yep, fair points. I would say that this Administration has taken the usual 'game' between WH and media to a whole new - and disgraceful - level.

    A lot of the problems, I think, stems from a 24/7 news cycle - too much air time is as bad as too little. Also, the blurring of lines with so many journalists voicing opinion where they should stick to facts.

    Then throw into the mix, the bias that comes from each outlet (and I mean ALL of them).

    Add into that the emergence of new media - where there are no professional standards, no regulation.

    Hey Presto, we now have a mess where lies are deliberately started and regurgititated until it is not possible to distinguish between fact, opinion and pure fiction.
     
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    Well said! I couldn't agree more on all those points. It brings to mind the endless hours of puking speculation after, say, a disaster - nothing to report so regurgitate what we know in a hundred different ways, speculate on what we don't know and find anyone and everyone willing to give an opinion on what we think we know.

    The lack of professional standards (and by extension accountability) is disturbing but I don't see any good way to address it without inhibiting a free press.
     
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    I currently live in the UK and even the BBC seems unable to report fact without inserting its own slant.

    I would like the press to see how vital their function is and to recognize their responsibility to their audience. Will that happen? Nope. Well, it's highly unlikely unless they realize that that is a huge part of the reason for their collapsing audience group.
     
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    But the audience is supposed to drive it. All mainstream media (and that includes cable) are driven by the market in terms of audience ratings more than the need for good content.

    I think collapsing audience groups which is reflected all over has more to do with the expansion of non-traditional media and the fact that everyone can find their own media echo chamber to tune into. If I were to be less cynical I would say it's in the process of sorting out and shaking down and something good will emerge in the end.

    I also think that having so much media in the hands of a few corporate giants is a problem.
     
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    Regular viewers of FoxNews will never vote for Democrats. Nor will they ever approve of anything a Democrat does.

    Why should Obama give a shit what they think?

    The Job of a "media watchdog", as far as the executive branch goes of the US Government goes, is to find the faults with the policies of an administration, and to point them out.

    FoxNews is not doing this, FoxNews is criticizing the administration no matter what it does, good or bad.

    They are also blatantly making stuff up about the president, and then tying it all together in a narrative that attempts to paint the administration as a Totalitarian Socialist takeover of the United States.

    That is not what a "media watchdog" does, that is what a propaganda outlet does.

    When the major networks criticized past presidents, NONE of them ever called a sitting president a "Nazi" or a "Stalinist".

    Such behavior would have gotten them fired, no matter who was president.

    FoxNews, like it's liberal counterpart MSNBC are not "media watchdogs", they are disgusting yellow jounalist media outlets, in the true spirit of Hearst Publishing.

    And Hearst Publishing was responsible for the assassination of a least one president.
     
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    If you think that only GOP voters watch Fox News then you are mistaken.

    Why should Obama give a shit? Because these people are Americans - whether you like it or not, they have a right to hear from the POTUS and the POTUS has a duty to talk to the media outlets in the press pool. He is not God, he is the fucking President.

    Vast, you are so fucking partisan that it is pointless discussing this with you.
     

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