Florida Church in Standoff Over Koran Burning

[Madeline]

Well, Florida can have wildfires and if that is the concern, then the city is right in preventing the book burning. I am not aware that this year fires have been a concern (although I'm not there, so mebbe it is....?).

Bottom line is, if you disapprove of this group of wingnuts burning the Koran (as I do) then write letters, organize a counter-protest, or suck it up. Shutting down offensive free speech is not the American way.

BTW, I'm not a christian but my family bible is precious to me. I'd expect this book is to most christians, and I think it's bullshit to say no one would care if a bunch of non-christians had a highly-publicized bible burning.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I just heard this nutjob, Terry Jones, interviewed.

FOXNews.com - Fla. City, Church in Standoff Over 9/11 Koran Burning

GAINESVILLE, FLA – A Florida church that was denied a permit for its controversial plan to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11 says the book burning will continue anyway.

The Dove World Outreach Center drew international attention after announcing its plan to burn copies of the Islamic holy text on church grounds to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. <more>

1. It's the church's property and they should be allowed to do what they want.

2. If the church goes through with this book burning then they are just as guilty in fueling the fire between Islam and Christianity as the radical Muslims out there. This is America. Why can't people just live and let live? While I do believe there is more to our lives after death, this is why I'm not a big fan of organized religion.

 

[martybegan]

Well, Florida can have wildfires and if that is the concern, then the city is right in preventing the book burning. I am not aware that this year fires have been a concern (although I'm not there, so mebbe it is....?).

Bottom line is, if you disapprove of this group of wingnuts burning the Koran (as I do) then write letters, organize a counter-protest, or suck it up. Shutting down offensive free speech is not the American way.

BTW, I'm not a christian but my family bible is precious to me. I'd expect this book is to most christians, and I think it's bullshit to say no one would care if a bunch of non-christians had a highly-publicized bible burning.

The difference is that it is "your" bible, not "a" bible. I'm not saything that they wouldnt care, but that the response would be much less for a bible burning than a koran burning. Again its the whole "the book itself is holy" thing.

Muslims do not have alot of symbols or consecrated items compared to at least Roman Catholicism. For them, the Koran is the main holy relic. it is similar to a consecrate altar in an RC church, or the sanctuary that holds the extra consecrated wafers.

 

[Vast LWC]

I just heard this nutjob, Terry Jones, interviewed.

FOXNews.com - Fla. City, Church in Standoff Over 9/11 Koran Burning

GAINESVILLE, FLA – A Florida church that was denied a permit for its controversial plan to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11 says the book burning will continue anyway.

The Dove World Outreach Center drew international attention after announcing its plan to burn copies of the Islamic holy text on church grounds to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. <more>

OK, I'm going to say that denying the right for this church to have a fire on their own private property is clearly unconstitutional, no matter what is being burned.

Unless said fire is too large and out-of-control and is in danger of spreading to other buildings in the town, which I'm going to assume is not the case.

That being said... Book burnings? Really? Anyone ever pick up a copy of Fahrenheit 451? Does no-one read books anymore?

Barring that, does no-one on the right remember anything about the Nazi's other than the fact that the word "Socialist" was included in their name?

 

[uscitizen]

Burning Koreans is pretty low. I hope they at least kill em first.

 

[Missourian]

What a bunch of constitutional law scholars on this thread. Jesus H. Christ, Missourian, you think you'll leave us any rights at all when you get done trimming away those that belong to groups who offend you?

"Just because it is legal doesn't make it right."

WTF?

It makes it LEGAL. Meaning, you cannot prevent it. Bitch about it, yes. Prevent it, no. In a free society, we all get hit with a hot stick in the eye occassionally.

Grow the fuck up.

That was your best argument?

Instead of this juvenile response, defend your position...I know it's a novel idea, but let's give it a shot.

 

[bodecea]

I'm curious....is my town not allowed to tell me I can't burn my refuse (leaves, etc.) on my property? That would save me some money on my garbage hauling bill.

 

[syrenn]

The beauty of this country is that you are allowed to burn any book you want, korian or bible, i don't relay care. Just as you are allowed to burn the American Flag.

The muslims shouldn't have any problems as far as i am concerned as they know this well.

 

[Alpha1]

What horseshit. Burn a few bibles and see how folks react.

I applaud the Gainesville City Council's sentiment, but they are wrong. I'm sure there's a safe way to burn books on the church property and this vile, hateful protest should be allowed to go forward.

The Dovey-Loveys should call the ACLU.

I agree....but I bet the Gainesvill City Council is not too fond of their town being in the news about this....not exactly good for your town when they are known for their hateful wack jobs.

OH NO.....more hateful wackjobs

Oh no...Democrats are hate spewing anti Islamic wackjobs?
Could it really be...??

Mosque debate divides Democrats, especially in NY - Yahoo! News

Oh no, Oh no....
More Democrats shown to be hate spewing anti Islamic crazies....
Building Trades Employers' Association members
Unions workers are among the hate filled anti Muslim wackjobs...
Could this be happening???? Union leaders don't have the balls to take a stand

They won&#39;t build it! Hardhats vow not to work on controversial mosque near Ground Zero

 

[uscitizen]

The beauty of this country is that you are allowed to burn any book you want, korian or bible, i don't relay care. Just as you are allowed to burn the American Flag.

The muslims shouldn't have any problems as far as i am concerned as they know this well.

Yepper on burning in the country. Just do not burn any tires, the black smoke is telling and it coudl cost you $5,000 for burning one tire.

also in fire season it can be illegal to burn unless burned in an enclosed something. such as a barrel or within X feet of woods.

 

[Obamerican]

I can and likely will see an army of Muslims...and I won't blame them one bit.

As for liberals...you and I both know EXACTLY how this thread would have played out had the Mosque hypocrisy not been highlighted in post #2.

bullshit. you and I BOTH do not see a siren of lefties out demanding this guy be restricted from burning korans because WE understand why it is important to let Lenny Bruce and Fred Phelps tie their own rope rather than wiping our asses with the bill of rights.

now, spare me the silly "would have" rebuttals and name some libs who are out demanding restrictions on this guy on par with what we see in NY.

Give be a break, Sho.

Junky posted this specifically to get the as a 'Beat up on the Christians" thread, because it is indefensible.

What reasonable argument could anyone make to rationalize this Koran burning action by a "church"?

The same can be said for the GZ Mosque.

What rational argument can be make for erecting an Islamic Shrine next to the site of the American tragedy planned and executed by Islamic terrorists?

I would be opposed to a Ku Klux Klan Hall next to the Martin Luther King Memorial.

I would be opposed to a Japanese Imperial Navy Museum next to Pearl Harbor if we were still at war with Japan.

I would be opposed to a statue of Santa Anna next to the Alamo if we were at war with Mexico.

I am opposed to the Ground Zero Mosque...not because of Islam...but because of it's symbolism as a victory shrine.


I'm not opposed to the Mosque...like most Americans I'm opposed to it's location.


When we are not at war with Islamic terrorists, it may be a different story.

Just how far away should it be? 6 blocks, 12 blocks, one mile?

 

[haileydavey]

This is a stupid idea. Once again they may have the right but just because you do does not me you should do it. It is a waste of the churches money. It shows just how stupid people can be.

 

[Missourian]

I'm curious....is my town not allowed to tell me I can't burn my refuse (leaves, etc.) on my property? That would save me some money on my garbage hauling bill.

Yes, they can...especially in CA.

They use the excuse of public safety.

We even have a burning ordinance in my podunk town...luckily, everyone ignores it and the police don't enforce it.

For yard debris, you may consider composting...you can also compost organic household refuse.

 

[Missourian]

bullshit. you and I BOTH do not see a siren of lefties out demanding this guy be restricted from burning korans because WE understand why it is important to let Lenny Bruce and Fred Phelps tie their own rope rather than wiping our asses with the bill of rights.

now, spare me the silly "would have" rebuttals and name some libs who are out demanding restrictions on this guy on par with what we see in NY.

Give be a break, Sho.

Junky posted this specifically to get the as a 'Beat up on the Christians" thread, because it is indefensible.

What reasonable argument could anyone make to rationalize this Koran burning action by a "church"?

The same can be said for the GZ Mosque.

What rational argument can be make for erecting an Islamic Shrine next to the site of the American tragedy planned and executed by Islamic terrorists?

I would be opposed to a Ku Klux Klan Hall next to the Martin Luther King Memorial.

I would be opposed to a Japanese Imperial Navy Museum next to Pearl Harbor if we were still at war with Japan.

I would be opposed to a statue of Santa Anna next to the Alamo if we were at war with Mexico.

I am opposed to the Ground Zero Mosque...not because of Islam...but because of it's symbolism as a victory shrine.


I'm not opposed to the Mosque...like most Americans I'm opposed to it's location.


When we are not at war with Islamic terrorists, it may be a different story.

Just how far away should it be? 6 blocks, 12 blocks, one mile?

That's an easy one...far enough away that no one would refer to it as "The Ground Zero" Mosque.

As for the ...does that apply to Senator Reid, Democratic Chairman Dean and the rest of the Democrats who say the same thing.

Opponents of the planned Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero in lower Manhattan have public opinion firmly in their corner.



According to a new TIME poll, 61% of respondents oppose the construction of the Park51/Cordoba House project, compared with 26% who support it.



More than 70% concur with the premise that proceeding with the plan would be an insult to the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.



Opposition to the project appears to derive largely from the conviction that the proposed site of the project &#8212; just two blocks from Ground Zero, in a building that formerly housed a Burlington Coat Factory outlet &#8212; is so close to "hallowed ground," as President Obama put it.
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Read more: TIME Poll: 61% of Americans Oppose 'Ground Zero Mosque' - TIME
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[bodecea]

Give be a break, Sho.

Junky posted this specifically to get the as a 'Beat up on the Christians" thread, because it is indefensible.

What reasonable argument could anyone make to rationalize this Koran burning action by a "church"?

The same can be said for the GZ Mosque.

What rational argument can be make for erecting an Islamic Shrine next to the site of the American tragedy planned and executed by Islamic terrorists?

I would be opposed to a Ku Klux Klan Hall next to the Martin Luther King Memorial.

I would be opposed to a Japanese Imperial Navy Museum next to Pearl Harbor if we were still at war with Japan.

I would be opposed to a statue of Santa Anna next to the Alamo if we were at war with Mexico.

I am opposed to the Ground Zero Mosque...not because of Islam...but because of it's symbolism as a victory shrine.


I'm not opposed to the Mosque...like most Americans I'm opposed to it's location.


When we are not at war with Islamic terrorists, it may be a different story.

Just how far away should it be? 6 blocks, 12 blocks, one mile?

That's an easy one...far enough away that no one would refer to it as "The Ground Zero" Mosque.

As for the ...does that apply to Senator Reid, Democratic Chairman Dean and the rest of the Democrats who say the same thing.

Opponents of the planned Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero in lower Manhattan have public opinion firmly in their corner.



According to a new TIME poll, 61% of respondents oppose the construction of the Park51/Cordoba House project, compared with 26% who support it.



More than 70% concur with the premise that proceeding with the plan would be an insult to the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.



Opposition to the project appears to derive largely from the conviction that the proposed site of the project — just two blocks from Ground Zero, in a building that formerly housed a Burlington Coat Factory outlet — is so close to "hallowed ground," as President Obama put it.
​

Read more: TIME Poll: 61% of Americans Oppose 'Ground Zero Mosque' - TIME
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How far away is that?

 

[p kirkes]

Is Terry Jones trying for Fatwa #6?

Wikipedia, list of Fatwa's.

 

[Shogun]

and continue to make up things like me sidestepping instead of actual debate.

The Burning a cross is worse. Look at how crosses are treated, often placed on a wall, or set on a table, in a position of reference. Bibles can be found even in the most reverent houses in bookshelves, desks etc.

Hell the freaking Gideons place them in hotel drawers, where they can never be sure what the hell happens to them.

You again miss my point. To christians is it the CONTENT of a bible that is holy. To Jews and Muslisms it is the CONTENT and the PHYSICAL FORM of thier texts that is holy.

yea dude.. we sure haven't seen anyone burn a fucking cross without widescale christian backlash before have we?

Actually you usually get more of black backlash from cross burning.

Kinda interesting considering it is supposed christians doing it.

And widescale christian backlash usually results in some stern words, and the donohue guy getting his 15 minutes on the TV. Muslim backlash can be a bit more physical, and even if not, usually implies more of a threat to those its targets.

oh yea, dude! all those burning crosses on laws meant to scare non-whites sure did generally cause the good faithful masses to fucking RIOT!




maybe it's time for you to prove your assertion instead of boring the fuck out of me with assumptions.

 

[Shogun]

Well, Florida can have wildfires and if that is the concern, then the city is right in preventing the book burning. I am not aware that this year fires have been a concern (although I'm not there, so mebbe it is....?).

Bottom line is, if you disapprove of this group of wingnuts burning the Koran (as I do) then write letters, organize a counter-protest, or suck it up. Shutting down offensive free speech is not the American way.

BTW, I'm not a christian but my family bible is precious to me. I'd expect this book is to most christians, and I think it's bullshit to say no one would care if a bunch of non-christians had a highly-publicized bible burning.

The difference is that it is "your" bible, not "a" bible. I'm not saything that they wouldnt care, but that the response would be much less for a bible burning than a koran burning. Again its the whole "the book itself is holy" thing.

Muslims do not have alot of symbols or consecrated items compared to at least Roman Catholicism. For them, the Koran is the main holy relic. it is similar to a consecrate altar in an RC church, or the sanctuary that holds the extra consecrated wafers.

of course, Madeline! Remember, there IS a difference! Marty says so!

 

[Shogun]

What a bunch of constitutional law scholars on this thread. Jesus H. Christ, Missourian, you think you'll leave us any rights at all when you get done trimming away those that belong to groups who offend you?

"Just because it is legal doesn't make it right."

WTF?

It makes it LEGAL. Meaning, you cannot prevent it. Bitch about it, yes. Prevent it, no. In a free society, we all get hit with a hot stick in the eye occassionally.

Grow the fuck up.

That was your best argument?

Instead of this juvenile response, defend your position...I know it's a novel idea, but let's give it a shot.

uh.. shouldn't you be busy listing the names of liberals who are freaking out about and demanding that this pastor NOT be allowed to burn korans?

 

[Shogun]

Give be a break, Sho.

Junky posted this specifically to get the as a 'Beat up on the Christians" thread, because it is indefensible.

What reasonable argument could anyone make to rationalize this Koran burning action by a "church"?

The same can be said for the GZ Mosque.

What rational argument can be make for erecting an Islamic Shrine next to the site of the American tragedy planned and executed by Islamic terrorists?

I would be opposed to a Ku Klux Klan Hall next to the Martin Luther King Memorial.

I would be opposed to a Japanese Imperial Navy Museum next to Pearl Harbor if we were still at war with Japan.

I would be opposed to a statue of Santa Anna next to the Alamo if we were at war with Mexico.

I am opposed to the Ground Zero Mosque...not because of Islam...but because of it's symbolism as a victory shrine.


I'm not opposed to the Mosque...like most Americans I'm opposed to it's location.


When we are not at war with Islamic terrorists, it may be a different story.

Just how far away should it be? 6 blocks, 12 blocks, one mile?

That's an easy one...far enough away that no one would refer to it as "The Ground Zero" Mosque.

As for the ...does that apply to Senator Reid, Democratic Chairman Dean and the rest of the Democrats who say the same thing.

Opponents of the planned Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero in lower Manhattan have public opinion firmly in their corner.



According to a new TIME poll, 61% of respondents oppose the construction of the Park51/Cordoba House project, compared with 26% who support it.



More than 70% concur with the premise that proceeding with the plan would be an insult to the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.



Opposition to the project appears to derive largely from the conviction that the proposed site of the project — just two blocks from Ground Zero, in a building that formerly housed a Burlington Coat Factory outlet — is so close to "hallowed ground," as President Obama put it.
​

Read more: TIME Poll: 61% of Americans Oppose 'Ground Zero Mosque' - TIME
​

​

HA!

what a STUPID and ARBITRARY answer!


hey, at one time public opinion was firmly in the corner of ****** hanging whites too.


whoopty fucking do.