Fire the kneelers ... challenge question:

[easyt65]

So you are trying to compare NFL players to Ghandi now?

Bwuhahahaha.....

 

[easyt65]

The supreme court says you, Jones and your imagined millions are wrong.

Again, tou are a liar.

Players are banned from wearing comments on cleats - where is the freedom of speech then?

The USSC did not say Freedom of Speech = Freedom from consequences...

*NOT DOING* something isn't "speech". It's the refusal of speech.

Sleazy rates this "funny".

Perhaps he though it "hilarious" when Earnest Starr also refused to submit to mob mentality --- and got hard labor in a state pen for it.

The mob got ------------- nothing.

Same goddam thing, fascist.

I rated it funny because you f*ing snowflakes claimed kneeling was protected speech tben changed your argument to claim kneeling is doing nothing.

Bwuhahahaha

 

[Pogo]

The supreme court says you, Jones and your imagined millions are wrong.

Again, tou are a liar.

Players are banned from wearing comments on cleats - where is the freedom of speech then?

The USSC did not say Freedom of Speech = Freedom from consequences...

*NOT DOING* something isn't "speech". It's the refusal of speech.

Sleazy rates this "funny".

Perhaps he though it "hilarious" when Earnest Starr also refused to submit to mob mentality --- and got hard labor in a state pen for it.

The mob got ------------- nothing.

Same goddam thing, fascist.

I rated it funny because you f*ing snowflakes claimed kneeling was protected speech tben changed your argument to claim kneeling is doing nothing.

Bwuhahahaha

Where did I ever post that it was "speech"? Link?

So you're a fucking liar too.

 

[IM2]

It is pathetic when people who oppose a peaceful protest will support armed takeover of government property or armed standoffs as the right to free speech and expression. We all know what this is. It's the same old attempt to silence non whites.

American fascism at it's "best."

 

[Pogo]

The stadiums remain full every game.

You are a liar. The tv has shown lack of attendance.

This may be the most hilariousest post ever.

----- Here's a guy calling someone else a liar and his refutation consists of ........................... television.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

For those of you who think the NFL players protesting during the national anthem should be fired, would you also support a team owner who threatened to fire any players who refused to protest? Who didn't kneel?

Why or why not?

The NFL is a business. I believe the owners have the rigjt to fore any worker publicly protesting on company time at the workplace, causing the company millions in revenue.

Let the NFL continue doing what they are doing. When they have destroyed their fan base, lost their tax exempt status, and salaries have been slashed they will eventually change...

"Company time" begins with the kickoff.

They are under contract, and most certainly with clauses concerning behavior that reflects on the team and the league.

"Company time" is 24/7.

 

[Pogo]

The supreme court says you, Jones and your imagined millions are wrong.

Again, tou are a liar.

Players are banned from wearing comments on cleats - where is the freedom of speech then?

The USSC did not say Freedom of Speech = Freedom from consequences...

The supreme court ruled 74 years ago that no one has the right to mandate what people do during the anthem or any similar ceremony.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943) ruled that school students could not be forced to do this:

​

>> In the 1930s, the government of Nazi Germany began arresting thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who refused to salute the Nazi flag and sent them to concentration camps.

The Witnesses taught and still teach that the obligation imposed by the law of God is superior to that of laws enacted by temporal government. Their religious beliefs include a literal version of Exodus, Chapter 20, verses 4 and 5, which says: 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them.' They consider that the flag is an 'image' within this command. For this reason, they refused to salute the flag.

Children of Jehovah's Witnesses had been expelled from school and were threatened with exclusion for no other cause. Officials threatened to send them to reformatories maintained for criminally inclined juveniles. Parents of such children had been prosecuted and were being threatened with prosecutions for causing delinquency. In 1935, 9-year-old Carlton Nichols was expelled from school and his father arrested in Lynn, Massachusetts for such a refusal. Additional refusals followed, one such leading to Minersville School District v. Gobitis[2] Even after the Gobitis decision, Jehovah's Witnesses continued to refuse to say the pledge. <<
​

Whelp --- there it is Sleazy, your precedent for punitive measures on refusal to follow mob mentality ---- Nazi Germany. Be proud.

 

[easyt65]

The stadiums remain full every game.

You are a liar. The tv has shown lack of attendance.

This may be the most hilariousest post ever.

----- Here's a guy calling someone else a liar and his refutation consists of ........................... television.

We are led to believe that some easily offended snowflake's claim that tv showing empty seats in a stadium can not be trusted compared to his claim on a message board that NFL stadiums are filled to capacity every Sunday...and you try to defend him.

Bwuhahaha

...stupid f*ing sbowflakes....

 

[dblack]

For those of you who think the NFL players protesting during the national anthem should be fired, would you also support a team owner who threatened to fire any players who refused to protest? Who didn't kneel?

Why or why not?

The NFL is a business. I believe the owners have the rigjt to fore any worker publicly protesting on company time at the workplace, causing the company millions in revenue.

Let the NFL continue doing what they are doing. When they have destroyed their fan base, lost their tax exempt status, and salaries have been slashed they will eventually change...

Agreed.


The hypothetical owner would have that right.


The right to show America that he is an anti-American piece of shit.


And yes, in that scenario, as in the real one, my hope would be that America as a whole would turn their backs on these assholes, and let football die.

But America is more than uptight conservatives. There are football fans who appreciate what the players are doing. If it were truly as one-sided as you pretend, all these players would be fired already.

 

[Pogo]

For those of you who think the NFL players protesting during the national anthem should be fired, would you also support a team owner who threatened to fire any players who refused to protest? Who didn't kneel?

Why or why not?

The NFL is a business. I believe the owners have the rigjt to fore any worker publicly protesting on company time at the workplace, causing the company millions in revenue.

Let the NFL continue doing what they are doing. When they have destroyed their fan base, lost their tax exempt status, and salaries have been slashed they will eventually change...

"Company time" begins with the kickoff.

They are under contract, and most certainly with clauses concerning behavior that reflects on the team and the league.

"Company time" is 24/7.

Oh is it.
You're claiming football players are on retainer, just in case a football game suddenly erupts at 3:36 am on a Tuesday?

Link?

Now back to the part about "behavior that reflects on a team" ----- like taking taxpayer money pimped by the DoD to put on fake-patriotism displays?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The supreme court says you, Jones and your imagined millions are wrong.

Again, tou are a liar.

Players are banned from wearing comments on cleats - where is the freedom of speech then?

The USSC did not say Freedom of Speech = Freedom from consequences...

The supreme court ruled 74 years ago that no one has the right to mandate what people do during the anthem or any similar ceremony.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943) ruled that school students could not be forced to do this:

​

>> In the 1930s, the government of Nazi Germany began arresting thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who refused to salute the Nazi flag and sent them to concentration camps. The Witnesses taught and still teach that the obligation imposed by the law of God is superior to that of laws enacted by temporal government. Their religious beliefs include a literal version of Exodus, Chapter 20, verses 4 and 5, which says: 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them.' They consider that the flag is an 'image' within this command. For this reason, they refused to salute the flag. Children of Jehovah's Witnesses had been expelled from school and were threatened with exclusion for no other cause. Officials threatened to send them to reformatories maintained for criminally inclined juveniles. Parents of such children had been prosecuted and were being threatened with prosecutions for causing delinquency. In 1935, 9-year-old Carlton Nichols was expelled from school and his father arrested in Lynn, Massachusetts for such a refusal. Additional refusals followed, one such leading to Minersville School District v. Gobitis[2] Even after the Gobitis decision, Jehovah's Witnesses continued to refuse to say the pledge. <<
​

Whelp --- there it is Sleazy, your precedent for punitive measures on refusal to follow mob mentality ---- Nazi Germany. Be proud.

Apples and screwdrivers.

Children by law must attend school. Hence the ruling, which was correct for the issue.

The NFL is a private business. No one is forced to be there. They can set their own rules.

 

[easyt65]

But America is more than uptight conservatives. There are football fans who appreciate what the players are doing. If it were truly as one-sided as you pretend, all these players would be fired already.

Why do you snowflakes feel the need to lie to try to make your argument?

I never said all fans are against the protest, never said it is one-sided, and never said the players don't have a right to protest.

I said many people are boycotting the NFL because of the protests.

I said that freedom of speech does not equal freedom from Consequences.

I said just because you claim the protests are about 1 thing does not mean others can't interpret it as another - perception is reality.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

For those of you who think the NFL players protesting during the national anthem should be fired, would you also support a team owner who threatened to fire any players who refused to protest? Who didn't kneel?

Why or why not?

The NFL is a business. I believe the owners have the rigjt to fore any worker publicly protesting on company time at the workplace, causing the company millions in revenue.

Let the NFL continue doing what they are doing. When they have destroyed their fan base, lost their tax exempt status, and salaries have been slashed they will eventually change...

"Company time" begins with the kickoff.

They are under contract, and most certainly with clauses concerning behavior that reflects on the team and the league.

"Company time" is 24/7.

Oh is it.
You're claiming football players are on retainer, just in case a football game suddenly erupts at 3:36 am on a Tuesday?

Link?

You don't have much understanding of contracts, eh?

 

[Auld Phart]

For those of you who think the NFL players protesting during the national anthem should be fired, would you also support a team owner who threatened to fire any players who refused to protest? Who didn't kneel?

Why or why not?

The NFL is a business. I believe the owners have the rigjt to fore any worker publicly protesting on company time at the workplace, causing the company millions in revenue.

Let the NFL continue doing what they are doing. When they have destroyed their fan base, lost their tax exempt status, and salaries have been slashed they will eventually change...

"Company time" begins with the kickoff.

They are under contract, and most certainly with clauses concerning behavior that reflects on the team and the league.

"Company time" is 24/7.

Oh is it.
You're claiming football players are on retainer, just in case a football game suddenly erupts at 3:36 am on a Tuesday?

Link?

are you claiming they get paid by the hour?

 

[IM2]

The stadiums remain full every game.

You are a liar. The tv has shown lack of attendance.

This may be the most hilariousest post ever.

----- Here's a guy calling someone else a liar and his refutation consists of ........................... television.

We are led to believe that some easily offended snowflake's claim that tv showing empty seats in a stadium can not be trusted compared to his claim on a message board that NFL stadiums are filled to capacity every Sunday...and you try to defend him.

Bwuhahaha

...stupid f*ing sbowflakes....

Today is Sunday and the NFL plays. And what you will see is the teams that are winning teams will have full stadiums. Those teams that have been losing for the past few years and still are won't. Stadium attendance or lack thereof has nothing to do with the bullshit you white right wing assholes have made up about the flag.

 

[Pogo]

For those of you who think the NFL players protesting during the national anthem should be fired, would you also support a team owner who threatened to fire any players who refused to protest? Who didn't kneel?

Why or why not?

The NFL is a business. I believe the owners have the rigjt to fore any worker publicly protesting on company time at the workplace, causing the company millions in revenue.

Let the NFL continue doing what they are doing. When they have destroyed their fan base, lost their tax exempt status, and salaries have been slashed they will eventually change...

"Company time" begins with the kickoff.

They are under contract, and most certainly with clauses concerning behavior that reflects on the team and the league.

"Company time" is 24/7.

Oh is it.
You're claiming football players are on retainer, just in case a football game suddenly erupts at 3:36 am on a Tuesday?

Link?

are you claiming they get paid by the hour?

Nope. And that's a false dichotomy.

I get paid by the day. Or by the project. When it's a work "day" that day is defined by its hour of beginning and its hour of end. If someone else hires me in the remainder of that day it can be an entirely different employer. And if it's a project it's from when the project begins (kickoff) to when it ends (clock hits zero).

When that day or project is over ---- it's over. You want me to come back for another day or another project, that costs extra. We would set a new clock and start over.

Again the poster is invited to show us anybody's football contract, anywhere, that puts them on retainer 24/7.

There are of course such employments. For people who deal with actual emergencies. A football game cannot be described as an 'emergency'.

But again --- prove me wrong about that.

 

[easyt65]

The stadiums remain full every game.

You are a liar. The tv has shown lack of attendance.

This may be the most hilariousest post ever.

----- Here's a guy calling someone else a liar and his refutation consists of ........................... television.

We are led to believe that some easily offended snowflake's claim that tv showing empty seats in a stadium can not be trusted compared to his claim on a message board that NFL stadiums are filled to capacity every Sunday...and you try to defend him.

Bwuhahaha

...stupid f*ing sbowflakes....

Today is Sunday and the NFL plays. And what you will see is the teams that are winning teams will have full stadiums. Those teams that have been losing for the past few years and still are won't. Stadium attendance or lack thereof has nothing to do with the bullshit you white right wing assholes have made up about the flag.

Your claim that teams will have full stadiums is a meaningless opinion that can not be proven...but thanks for wasting our time.

 

[debbiedowner]

For those of you who think the NFL players protesting during the national anthem should be fired, would you also support a team owner who threatened to fire any players who refused to protest? Who didn't kneel?

Why or why not?

The NFL is a business. I believe the owners have the rigjt to fore any worker publicly protesting on company time at the workplace, causing the company millions in revenue.

Let the NFL continue doing what they are doing. When they have destroyed their fan base, lost their tax exempt status, and salaries have been slashed they will eventually change...

"Company time" begins with the kickoff.

They are under contract, and most certainly with clauses concerning behavior that reflects on the team and the league.

"Company time" is 24/7.

You're probably right about the clause, but is it bad behavior to all? As one who served 4 years way back when it doesn't really bother me. It may not be the best way to protest, but I simply don't care and don't feel it's a slap in the face of veterans who served so they can do this.

 

[IM2]

The supreme court says you, Jones and your imagined millions are wrong.

Again, tou are a liar.

Players are banned from wearing comments on cleats - where is the freedom of speech then?

The USSC did not say Freedom of Speech = Freedom from consequences...

The supreme court ruled 74 years ago that no one has the right to mandate what people do during the anthem or any similar ceremony.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943) ruled that school students could not be forced to do this:

​

>> In the 1930s, the government of Nazi Germany began arresting thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who refused to salute the Nazi flag and sent them to concentration camps. The Witnesses taught and still teach that the obligation imposed by the law of God is superior to that of laws enacted by temporal government. Their religious beliefs include a literal version of Exodus, Chapter 20, verses 4 and 5, which says: 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them.' They consider that the flag is an 'image' within this command. For this reason, they refused to salute the flag. Children of Jehovah's Witnesses had been expelled from school and were threatened with exclusion for no other cause. Officials threatened to send them to reformatories maintained for criminally inclined juveniles. Parents of such children had been prosecuted and were being threatened with prosecutions for causing delinquency. In 1935, 9-year-old Carlton Nichols was expelled from school and his father arrested in Lynn, Massachusetts for such a refusal. Additional refusals followed, one such leading to Minersville School District v. Gobitis[2] Even after the Gobitis decision, Jehovah's Witnesses continued to refuse to say the pledge. <<
​

Whelp --- there it is Sleazy, your precedent for punitive measures on refusal to follow mob mentality ---- Nazi Germany. Be proud.

Apples and screwdrivers.

Children by law must attend school. Hence the ruling, which was correct for the issue.

The NFL is a private business. No one is forced to be there. They can set their own rules.

That ruling did not just apply to those children. The NFL cannot set rules that are against the supreme law of the land.

No private business can.

 

[mudwhistle]

The people that want them fired are control freaks and do not believe in having rights or freedoms...

Sounds like a Democrat.