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One of the projects undertaken by the Council was the creation of a Creed, a declaration and summary of the Christian faith. Several creeds were already in existence; many creeds were acceptable to the members of the council, including Arius. From earliest times, various creeds served as a means of identification for Christians, as a means of inclusion and recognition, especially at baptism.your jesus was not prolaimed as a god until 325 CE by the rccI'd suggest the mods change the name of the forum to Ridicule Religion Forum. Or the Nero Club. That has a more authentic ring to it and will make it easier for the nonreligious to feel at home here. Some one new to usmb may be confused about the purpose of the forum and what the description of it implies, and may come here to discuss religion.
Yep. That's me. The great defender of Catholicism! The Pope consults me on a regular basis, you know.
Oh me too. I have whatzisname on speed dial. You know, the evil guy. Had Dan Brown set it up.
Nobody's been a bigger basher of the RCC than I Jeri-- the difference is I do it with facts, not unhinged paranoiac bovine excrement. All that does is make you look loony.
Like the RCC being responsible for Paul's churches????????? There is nothing factual about it. Your fact is 100% wrong.
Christ chose the 7 churches described in Rev. I can't find the RCC church among them. Can you? Other than killing Paul, Rome wasn't a big player in the beginning.
Duuh... I didn't say it had squat to do with "Rome" -- that's just what we call it. The victors do the naming.
Of course it's the same church, are you ignorant? Spinoffs didn't start until Martin Luther.
DUH.
Then, "we" are wrong. Not the same church at all, not even mentioned in the Bible. Had nothing to do with the churches in Asia Minor.
First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
In Rome, for example, the Apostles' Creed was popular, especially for use in Lent and the Easter season. In the Council of Nicaea, one specific creed was used to define the Church's faith clearly, to include those who professed it, and to exclude those who did not.
Some distinctive elements in the Nicene Creed, perhaps from the hand of Hosius of Cordova, were added. Some elements were added specifically to counter the Arian point of view.[11][46]
- Jesus Christ is described as "God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God", proclaiming his divinity.
- Jesus Christ is said to be "begotten, not made", asserting that he was not a mere creature, brought into being out of nothing, but the true Son of God, brought into being 'from the substance of the Father'.
- He is said to be "of one being with The Father". Eusebius of Caesarea ascribes the term homoousios, or consubstantial, i.e., "of the same substance" (of the Father), to Constantine who, on this particular point, may have chosen to exercise his authority. The significance of this clause, however, is extremely ambiguous, and the issues it raised would be seriously controverted in the future.
- The view that 'there was once that when he was not' was rejected to maintain the co-eternity of the Son with the Father.
- The view that he was 'mutable or subject to change' was rejected to maintain that the Son just like the Father was beyond any form of weakness or corruptibility, and most importantly that he could not fall away from absolute moral perfection.
Bishop Hosius of Cordova, one of the firm Homoousians, may well have helped bring the council to consensus. At the time of the council, he was the confidant of the emperor in all Church matters. Hosius stands at the head of the lists of bishops, and Athanasius ascribes to him the actual formulation of the creed. Great leaders such as Eustathius of Antioch, Alexander of Alexandria, Athanasius, and Marcellus of Ancyra all adhered to the Homoousian position.
In spite of his sympathy for Arius, Eusebius of Caesarea adhered to the decisions of the council, accepting the entire creed. The initial number of bishops supporting Arius was small. After a month of discussion, on June 19, there were only two left: Theonas of Marmarica in Libya, and Secundus of Ptolemais. Maris of Chalcedon, who initially supported Arianism, agreed to the whole creed. Similarly, Eusebius of Nicomedia and Theognis of Nice also agreed, except for the certain statements.
The Emperor carried out his earlier statement: everybody who refused to endorse the Creed would be exiled. Arius, Theonas, and Secundus refused to adhere to the creed, and were thus exiled to Illyria, in addition to being excommunicated. The works of Arius were ordered to be confiscated and consigned to the flames while all persons found possessing them were to be executed.[47] Nevertheless, the controversy continued in various parts of the empire.[48]