CDZ Feminism promotes prostitution?

[Dragonlady]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

And you couldn't be more wrong. About me or my ex's. In both cases they were the controllers and I gave them whatever they asked for. To the extant that our marriage counsellor asked my husband what he wanted from me and hearing me ex's answer the counsellor (a man), said "She did all of that and you shit on her for that.

I worked to keep a roof over my family's head and food on the table. My first husband's great business idea made so little money I claimed him as a dependant. He refused to care for our children (you wanted kids, you look after them) and came home with social diseases. I threw his ass out.

If I were just "in it for what I could get" I would have taken one of the "trophy wife" offers I had but I wanted someone who genuinely cared about so I married someone who I thought shared the same values of family first, love and fidelity as I did. I couldn't have been more wrong. He spent all of our money on fast cars, which he wrecked.

After our daughter was born, he refused to look for work, spending his afternoons while I was working, at the local strip bar spending our grocery money on his favourites.

Immediately when I posted this was not a strictly male issue, you were very quick to attack me and that was a risk I took in telling my story. Your attack was not unexpected and it is very misogynistic.

You claim to know who and what I am and you know nothing

 

[Spare_change]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

And you couldn't be more wrong. About me or my ex's. In both cases they were the controllers and I gave them whatever they asked for. To the extant that our marriage counsellor asked my husband what he wanted from me and hearing me ex's answer the counsellor (a man), said "She did all of that and you shit on her for that.

I worked to keep a roof over my family's head and food on the table. My first husband's great business idea made so little money I claimed him as a dependant. He refused to care for our children (you wanted kids, you look after them) and came home with social diseases. I threw his ass out.

If I were just "in it for what I could get" I would have taken one of the "trophy wife" offers I had but I wanted someone who genuinely cared about so I married someone who I thought shared the same values of family first, love and fidelity as I did. I couldn't have been more wrong. He spent all of our money on fast cars, which he wrecked.

After our daughter was born, he refused to look for work, spending his afternoons while I was working, at the local strip bar spending our grocery money on his favourites.

Immediately when I posted this was not a strictly male issue, you were very quick to attack me and that was a risk I took in telling my story. Your attack was not unexpected and it is very misogynistic.

You claim to know who and what I am and you know nothing

NOW your precious ego is bruised???

Misogynistic??? Hardly. Too close for comfort? Definitely.

Sorry - you come across as a controlling and manipulative woman. If that's not you, then you definitely need to change your projection.

 

[EverCurious]

Well I can't say that about my husband, he works his fucking ass off (for about five years he was working 20 hours a day and only made it home on the weekends) and even in our "getting divorced" stage he refuses to take any money because that's "his job." He's also told the youngest kido he can stay here rent free no matter what happens with him and I - it's not even his bio-kid. So I've got zero complaints about that department.

Why would you want to divorce such a man, if you are a woman? Most men would never do so much work for their wives.

/I/ didn't want to, /he/ decided to have a mid-life crisis and is falling apart like a fool. My debate is merely if I can ever trust the idiot again or not.

Although I will admit, I find my... ego I suppose, quite insulted that he gave sex to another woman whilst I have spend so many years wanton respecting his wish to "save my soul" through monogamy. I've half a mind to truss him up and fuck some sense into him, but he's not into extreme violence and I fear I won't contain my anger well.

how about a "girl's night out, to get it out of your system"?

Most girls aren't into sexual violence either heh

 

[Dragonlady]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

And you couldn't be more wrong. About me or my ex's. In both cases they were the controllers and I gave them whatever they asked for. To the extant that our marriage counsellor asked my husband what he wanted from me and hearing me ex's answer the counsellor (a man), said "She did all of that and you shit on her for that.

I worked to keep a roof over my family's head and food on the table. My first husband's great business idea made so little money I claimed him as a dependant. He refused to care for our children (you wanted kids, you look after them) and came home with social diseases. I threw his ass out.

If I were just "in it for what I could get" I would have taken one of the "trophy wife" offers I had but I wanted someone who genuinely cared about so I married someone who I thought shared the same values of family first, love and fidelity as I did. I couldn't have been more wrong. He spent all of our money on fast cars, which he wrecked.

After our daughter was born, he refused to look for work, spending his afternoons while I was working, at the local strip bar spending our grocery money on his favourites.

Immediately when I posted this was not a strictly male issue, you were very quick to attack me and that was a risk I took in telling my story. Your attack was not unexpected and it is very misogynistic.

You claim to know who and what I am and you know nothing

NOW your precious ego is bruised???

Misogynistic??? Hardly. Too close for comfort? Definitely.

Sorry - you come across as a controlling and manipulative woman. If that's not you, then you definitely need to change your projection.

You assumed that since I worked I controlled anything other than my own self. My pay went into our joint bank account which my husband had access to. My husband wanted to go back to school, I put him through college. When he wanted to have a baby, I had a four hour surgery and we had a baby.

When I had a heart attack and could no longer work, after 31 years of marriage, he moved on.

 

[danielpalos]

Well I can't say that about my husband, he works his fucking ass off (for about five years he was working 20 hours a day and only made it home on the weekends) and even in our "getting divorced" stage he refuses to take any money because that's "his job." He's also told the youngest kido he can stay here rent free no matter what happens with him and I - it's not even his bio-kid. So I've got zero complaints about that department.

Why would you want to divorce such a man, if you are a woman? Most men would never do so much work for their wives.

/I/ didn't want to, /he/ decided to have a mid-life crisis and is falling apart like a fool. My debate is merely if I can ever trust the idiot again or not.

Although I will admit, I find my... ego I suppose, quite insulted that he gave sex to another woman whilst I have spend so many years wanton respecting his wish to "save my soul" through monogamy. I've half a mind to truss him up and fuck some sense into him, but he's not into extreme violence and I fear I won't contain my anger well.

how about a "girl's night out, to get it out of your system"?

Most girls aren't into sexual violence either heh

should we make an appointment for "like it rough night"?

 

[anotherlife]

Well I can't say that about my husband, he works his fucking ass off (for about five years he was working 20 hours a day and only made it home on the weekends) and even in our "getting divorced" stage he refuses to take any money because that's "his job." He's also told the youngest kido he can stay here rent free no matter what happens with him and I - it's not even his bio-kid. So I've got zero complaints about that department.

Why would you want to divorce such a man, if you are a woman? Most men would never do so much work for their wives.

/I/ didn't want to, /he/ decided to have a mid-life crisis and is falling apart like a fool. My debate is merely if I can ever trust the idiot again or not.

Although I will admit, I find my... ego I suppose, quite insulted that he gave sex to another woman whilst I have spend so many years wanton respecting his wish to "save my soul" through monogamy. I've half a mind to truss him up and fuck some sense into him, but he's not into extreme violence and I fear I won't contain my anger well.

Aggressively fucking your men may be terapeutical for them, I would vote you go for it. This is interesting. I don't understand midlife crisis, I know it is national, but highly strange. Hmmm. Are you sporty? If yes, then point your colt at his dick and if he asks you for a last chance then tell him that he can swing it. By the way, does midlife crisis cause overworking?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

And you couldn't be more wrong. About me or my ex's. In both cases they were the controllers and I gave them whatever they asked for. To the extant that our marriage counsellor asked my husband what he wanted from me and hearing me ex's answer the counsellor (a man), said "She did all of that and you shit on her for that.

I worked to keep a roof over my family's head and food on the table. My first husband's great business idea made so little money I claimed him as a dependant. He refused to care for our children (you wanted kids, you look after them) and came home with social diseases. I threw his ass out.

If I were just "in it for what I could get" I would have taken one of the "trophy wife" offers I had but I wanted someone who genuinely cared about so I married someone who I thought shared the same values of family first, love and fidelity as I did. I couldn't have been more wrong. He spent all of our money on fast cars, which he wrecked.

After our daughter was born, he refused to look for work, spending his afternoons while I was working, at the local strip bar spending our grocery money on his favourites.

Immediately when I posted this was not a strictly male issue, you were very quick to attack me and that was a risk I took in telling my story. Your attack was not unexpected and it is very misogynistic.

You claim to know who and what I am and you know nothing

NOW your precious ego is bruised???

Misogynistic??? Hardly. Too close for comfort? Definitely.

Sorry - you come across as a controlling and manipulative woman. If that's not you, then you definitely need to change your projection.

Did you say "controlling and manipulative"?

Is there anyone who still says equality (aka feminism) makes women prostitutes?

 

[anotherlife]

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

And you couldn't be more wrong. About me or my ex's. In both cases they were the controllers and I gave them whatever they asked for. To the extant that our marriage counsellor asked my husband what he wanted from me and hearing me ex's answer the counsellor (a man), said "She did all of that and you shit on her for that.

I worked to keep a roof over my family's head and food on the table. My first husband's great business idea made so little money I claimed him as a dependant. He refused to care for our children (you wanted kids, you look after them) and came home with social diseases. I threw his ass out.

If I were just "in it for what I could get" I would have taken one of the "trophy wife" offers I had but I wanted someone who genuinely cared about so I married someone who I thought shared the same values of family first, love and fidelity as I did. I couldn't have been more wrong. He spent all of our money on fast cars, which he wrecked.

After our daughter was born, he refused to look for work, spending his afternoons while I was working, at the local strip bar spending our grocery money on his favourites.

Immediately when I posted this was not a strictly male issue, you were very quick to attack me and that was a risk I took in telling my story. Your attack was not unexpected and it is very misogynistic.

You claim to know who and what I am and you know nothing

NOW your precious ego is bruised???

Misogynistic??? Hardly. Too close for comfort? Definitely.

Sorry - you come across as a controlling and manipulative woman. If that's not you, then you definitely need to change your projection.

Did you say "controlling and manipulative"?

Is there anyone who still says equality (aka feminism) makes women prostitutes?

Why not? They need to pay their student loans too. It is better if other can enjoy how the girls are paying it back, don't you think?

 

[Andylusion]

Yesterday was my 42 wedding anniversary.

Is that why there's blood on her teeth? Sucking you dry? (I'm kidding!)

That you would even make this comment speaks volumes on your attitude towards women.

Being married for 42 years takes work - on both sides. It takes commitment and respect.

You have indicated in your posts that you don't respect women. You see them as parasites sucking the life out of their husbands.

When I see men or women gossiping about their men or their women and backstabbing them, my comment is usually "If he/she is such an asshole/bitch, then what does that say about you? You picked him/her. "

How you talk about your partner is a reflection on YOU, not them. How you talk about women here, why would a smart, loving woman looking for a life partner want a man with such a low opinion of women?

You know I keep thinking that people on here are actually nice decent people, and I just need to be friendly to them, and get to know them.

And each time I am proven wrong.

How many left-wingers have made jokes, and we hear those on the left scream it's freedom of speech, and you were just kidding about hanging GWB, and can't we take a joke.

Then the moment I make a joke, it's "This speaks volumes on your attitude towards women".

How many times have couples joked about this, and were playful and entertaining about it? My parents have made jokes like that numerous times, and they laugh about it and move on. They have only been married over 50 years.

The only thing this speaks volumes about is you. Maybe that's why your first marriage didn't work. I can't image being married to a woman this judgemental, that every time I say something to be funny and friendly, they would immediately judge me, and start making these grand declarations of my character based on something we were both supposed to get humor and enjoyment from. I would be begging for a divorce from that. Maybe even joining these other men, and going to an escort, to talk to the escort about how I wish my wife was less of a jerk.

Regardless back to you.... I'm not going to bother with you anymore. And I'm not going to keep trying to be friendly with you. I'm putting you on ignore. Go be judgemental on other people, but you no longer are going to be a judge over me. Later.

 

[Andylusion]

Prostitution sells sex, not relationship. Marriage is a relationship. So prostitution and marriage can and has always coexisted well. Until the fake bible basher bullies decided to ruin it for everyone and turn the whole thing into one big trafficking ring. Feminism is right here, in that feminism is trying to undo all the fake shade that has been thrown on prostitution for the last 100 years.

So if your wife was meeting up with male prostitutes, you would have no problem with this at all? Are you saying that would not bother you, if she was boinking some hot young guys for $200 a night? Because that's happening now. You good with that? No problem in your mind if she's being bounced off the boards for an hour before coming home?

 

[Andylusion]

Having a wife, but not getting the sex; is like hosting a formal banquet, without the eating.
A complete, and total waste of time, effort, and money...

If all you want out of marriage is sex then why get married?

That does not follow.
It's not the only thing. Men want more out of marriage than ONLY sex. But without sex.... it's not a marriage.

My car has many features that I want in a car.... but if it doesn't get me to work and back... nothing else matters.

Marriage is a form of prostitution.

Men get sex. Women get money.

Yes men wants more than sex. Men also wants biological children for example. I still don't understand where involving government on this is useful in anyway.

The market take care of all our need. Why do we need government to regulate or some priests to "bless" our relationship? What are those for?

Because since the dawn of time, men have been skipping out on their financial obligations to wives and children. Marriage is hard work, and families expect to be housed and fed and clothed. So men run away so they can keep the money they earn for themselves.

And when a wife has devoted her life to her family and the kids are ready for college, her husband dumps her for a 20 something trophy wife.

Marriage exists so that men honour the promises they made to the marriage.

The 20 something trophy wife would not exist if prostitution was legal.

LOL!
You are bonkers. You are wrong.

 

[Andylusion]

If all you want out of marriage is sex then why get married?

That does not follow.
It's not the only thing. Men want more out of marriage than ONLY sex. But without sex.... it's not a marriage.

My car has many features that I want in a car.... but if it doesn't get me to work and back... nothing else matters.

Marriage is a form of prostitution.

Men get sex. Women get money.

Yes men wants more than sex. Men also wants biological children for example. I still don't understand where involving government on this is useful in anyway.

The market take care of all our need. Why do we need government to regulate or some priests to "bless" our relationship? What are those for?

Because since the dawn of time, men have been skipping out on their financial obligations to wives and children. Marriage is hard work, and families expect to be housed and fed and clothed. So men run away so they can keep the money they earn for themselves.

And when a wife has devoted her life to her family and the kids are ready for college, her husband dumps her for a 20 something trophy wife.

Marriage exists so that men honour the promises they made to the marriage.

Yeah, tell that to the three wives I've had that screwed me and the kids over because of infidelity, and not wanting to do without during hard times..I have been a single parent twice because of the so-called virtues of women..

Seen it a hundred times, man. I know a lot of folk who've gotten married. I know almost as many who've gotten divorced. And the overwhelming majority of the divorced I've been privy to; the woman bailed. Usually for money, or a new man. Sure there are cases where a woman leaves due to abuse. But in truth those cases are a tiny minority. Unless like women nowadays... Not getting your way all the time constitutes abuse.

That is true. Today most breakups are caused by the crazy chick. As much as they talk about men ditching their wives for the younger chick, more often than not, it's the crazy lady that leaves.

 

[Andylusion]

Prostitution will go away, as will most marriages, when robotics advances. There will be no need for wives or husbands either.

Oh come on. You are crazy. You really think any man is going to take robo love over a real woman? If that were true, then marriage and prostitution should already cease to exist. We already have those dumb sex toys that far out-perform any woman or man. I

 

[Andylusion]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

Absolutely. This is dead on accurate. I've seen each and every single one of those points happen.

 

[danielpalos]

Prostitution sells sex, not relationship. Marriage is a relationship. So prostitution and marriage can and has always coexisted well. Until the fake bible basher bullies decided to ruin it for everyone and turn the whole thing into one big trafficking ring. Feminism is right here, in that feminism is trying to undo all the fake shade that has been thrown on prostitution for the last 100 years.

So if your wife was meeting up with male prostitutes, you would have no problem with this at all? Are you saying that would not bother you, if she was boinking some hot young guys for $200 a night? Because that's happening now. You good with that? No problem in your mind if she's being bounced off the boards for an hour before coming home?

nice girl friends don't mind taking a shower, if they come over.

 

[anotherlife]

Prostitution sells sex, not relationship. Marriage is a relationship. So prostitution and marriage can and has always coexisted well. Until the fake bible basher bullies decided to ruin it for everyone and turn the whole thing into one big trafficking ring. Feminism is right here, in that feminism is trying to undo all the fake shade that has been thrown on prostitution for the last 100 years.

So if your wife was meeting up with male prostitutes, you would have no problem with this at all? Are you saying that would not bother you, if she was boinking some hot young guys for $200 a night? Because that's happening now. You good with that? No problem in your mind if she's being bounced off the boards for an hour before coming home?

You are making the logic error that females and males are the same or equal in some ways. I said feminism is right to call for respect for the girly curves, I didn't say that feminism is right generally. What is good for the goose is not always good for the gender.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

Absolutely. This is dead on accurate. I've seen each and every single one of those points happen.

Wow. I thought dinosaurs were all extinct.

Most people, men and women, work because they have to. Most would happily make more in order to afford whatever is on their list - TV, the Lexus, whatever. For me it was always travel or more space for rehabbing wild animals.

BUT, what I'm reading here is that a lot of men are still very fragile, very threatened by equality - eg - "feminism".

Boys, that's YOUR problem. Grow up and stop making it hers.

 

[anotherlife]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

Absolutely. This is dead on accurate. I've seen each and every single one of those points happen.

Wow. I thought dinosaurs were all extinct.

Most people, men and women, work because they have to. Most would happily make more in order to afford whatever is on their list - TV, the Lexus, whatever. For me it was always travel or more space for rehabbing wild animals.

BUT, what I'm reading here is that a lot of men are still very fragile, very threatened by equality - eg - "feminism".

Boys, that's YOUR problem. Grow up and stop making it hers.

Hehehe, you are the sweetest troll around. Men are not fragile, neither are women, feminists have successfully grabbed all power and cashing in on it both ways to the fullest extent. Witchcraft has nothing on it. . Well done. No man ever in history managed to pocket so much entitlement with zero responsibility.

 

[danielpalos]

Unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, is a left wing solution to prostitution.

 

[anotherlife]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

Sorry - I have to respond.

First, my qualifications - I have been married for 49 years. Some were good, some were bad, and some were great. That's how it works. My wife never worked - unless she wanted to - we raised 2 kids, both successful, both college graduates, and both happily married.

But, I must tell you that you personify everything that I detest in most women. Your constant "what's in it for me" attitude, as if you're making some magnificent sacrifice, and your perception that, somehow, your vaunted vagina entitles you to special privileges, or that, somehow, it is a magic permit to avoid YOUR responsibility to the marriage.

Marriage is a 80-80 proposition. Sometimes, he has to give 80% to it, and sometimes, she does. THAT is what marriage is about - about working together to build a happy life and a happy and successful family. It's not about bigger cars, and status symbols, and control.

Why do the majority of women work? Is it because they have to in order to feed their children, or is it because they want to so they can have a bigger tv? I can hear it all already --- she works because he doesn't make "enough" money. What's enough? Enough to have a Lexus? Enough to put shoes on the kids? Or, maybe "enough" is that nebulous amount that allows her to escape delivering on her 80% by claiming she's doing half of HIS 80%.

I know, I know - this is where you drag out the crying towel, and tell me about all those women who work because they are married to shiftless ne'er-do-wells who won't provide for their family. Those exist - but they are the reason some women work - not why MOST women work.

You want to control the relationship - you want to be in charge, you want to control the money, you want to make the decisions - and then, you bitch because he gives up and lets you. Every time he makes a suggestion, or has an idea, you demean it, you crush it. Then, you can't understand why he defers, deflects, and disengages. He didn't marry you so you could be his mother - but you act like her. He fought you - tried to be in charge - but you wouldn't let him, so HE GAVE UP. It's easier just to go along than put up with the emotional upheaval.

Then, somehow, you complain that he doesn't want sex enough - I mean, after all, you're the controller in the relationship, you should get to dictate when, where, and how. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret - he doesn't find you attractive because you act like a man. You're in charge - you tell him what to do, and when to do it - you complain when he has the temerity to challenge your authority. You demean him when he does something you don't like .... and you expect him to be romantically inclined?? It's like sleeping with his boss. He'd rather sleep with his secretary.

Sometimes, the price you make him pay just isn't worth the ever so grandiose gift of being allowed the privilege of sleeping with you. You've killed his pride, his self respect, his sense of self worth. Maybe, instead of bitching about him, you should look in the mirror. Maybe - just maybe - YOU are the problem, not him.

For a woman the drive to maintain a relationship is subjugated under her motherly instinct. Totally different from men's drive for relationships. For a woman, if she gets entitlements to serve her motherly instinct and replace men, it is a cheaper and better deal for her. By allowing gender equality, men themselves have handed this cheap deal to women.