CDZ Feminism promotes prostitution?

[Andylusion]

Well you're off on that "family" bit, I just say that now because I have to come to grips with them not being "my" kids anymore and that's one of the way's I'm doing it. Not that it matters much our kids are all adults now, the youngest is 18. Either way, I don't regret it, I just have to let it go now because I know they're going to... well basically side with their Dad and not call me or whatever. If we divorce I can't even say they are my step-kids anymore :/ Oh well, we raised them right so they're all doing really well and I can be happy for that.

Meh I only brought up the relevant "flaw" and I suppose it's my flaw anyway. My point was simply that if you can't cook, don't get someone who thinks of them self as a "traditional" husband and wants dinner on the table when he gets home.

Obviously I'll take your word for it. I wasn't there, and this is your life story not mine.

I can say for myself that I always cringe when I hear people refer to "my kids" and "his kids" and such.

I was adopted. My sister was not. I can't even begin to image what damage would have been done if my parents had ever said "his kids" and "my kids".

That said, since you are sharing... do you really think it was simply that you can't cook? Or was it simply that he was a bad guy?

I want a traditional wife. But simply 'cooking' isn't a requirement in my book. Granted, since I can't cook either, that would be an interesting problem.

Although I can see a guy choosing who to marry based on "I want a wife that can cook", I do find it hard to believe one would divorce over lack of cooking alone. You are telling me that was his primary core problem? I find that odd. I wonder what he would say if he was here.

 

[Never3ndr]

Technology, not feminism, promotes prostitution by allowing for "discreet" connections to be much easier...which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Feminism, on the other hand, may make for less cohesive marriages in some cases...but the unfaithful will be unfaithful regardless of the stability of their relationships. Prostitution came along way before feminism, and it will remain a reality far after it.

 

[EverCurious]

Well you're off on that "family" bit, I just say that now because I have to come to grips with them not being "my" kids anymore and that's one of the way's I'm doing it. Not that it matters much our kids are all adults now, the youngest is 18. Either way, I don't regret it, I just have to let it go now because I know they're going to... well basically side with their Dad and not call me or whatever. If we divorce I can't even say they are my step-kids anymore :/ Oh well, we raised them right so they're all doing really well and I can be happy for that.

Meh I only brought up the relevant "flaw" and I suppose it's my flaw anyway. My point was simply that if you can't cook, don't get someone who thinks of them self as a "traditional" husband and wants dinner on the table when he gets home.

Obviously I'll take your word for it. I wasn't there, and this is your life story not mine.

I can say for myself that I always cringe when I hear people refer to "my kids" and "his kids" and such.

I was adopted. My sister was not. I can't even begin to image what damage would have been done if my parents had ever said "his kids" and "my kids".

That said, since you are sharing... do you really think it was simply that you can't cook? Or was it simply that he was a bad guy?

I want a traditional wife. But simply 'cooking' isn't a requirement in my book. Granted, since I can't cook either, that would be an interesting problem.

Although I can see a guy choosing who to marry based on "I want a wife that can cook", I do find it hard to believe one would divorce over lack of cooking alone. You are telling me that was his primary core problem? I find that odd. I wonder what he would say if he was here.

You're mistaken, we never referred to them like that, search my post history it's all there. Hell I don't even refer to my ex-husband's new wife as anything more than Mom2.

My husband... I honestly don't know his full, or true issue. He won't talk about his feelings, I wouldn't expect him to frankly; I wouldn't fully understand them anyway. Perhaps he needed more affection than I have to give despite what he had thought. Originally, he wanted to trust someone, he wanted someone who would be faithful, someone who would be reliable. I am all those things, but perhaps he's not as cold as he thought - ironic that he cannot maintain even his own standards. My Mother says it's a mid-life crisis, he told her he was going to see a VA counselor. Knowing him it'll be too late and I will be gone, his life will be in shambles and the honest truth of it is I won't "actually" care - or perhaps it is destiny, because neither of us "actually" cared? Either way, he should have known better than to trade all I offer for a few nights of tawdry sex, especially since I know all his little secret desires, all those things that put him... away. Seems a stupid move to me, and if there is one thing I dislike, besides liars, it would be morons. All I wanted was a faithful man I could trust, he's destroyed all of it... I do not think I can forgive it, and perhaps he knows that so he doesn't even try.

T'is a shame, like a warped fairy tail; the would-be King has all the world waiting for him across the drawbridge, but decides to jump into the moat mid-way. His would-be Queen might try to save him, but he's too much a proud fool to reach for her hand. So be it then. Let him drown, or perhaps his would-be princess can save him. Either way the queen walks away with her dignity.

 

[Iceweasel]

T'is a shame, like a warped fairy tail; the would-be King has all the world waiting for him across the drawbridge, but decides to jump into the moat mid-way. His would-be Queen might try to save him, but he's too much a proud fool to reach for her hand. So be it then. Let him drown, or perhaps his would-be princess can save him. Either way the queen walks away with her dignity.

Well that sucks, sorry. You're in good company though, you wouldn't be the first gal with a husband that thought with his little head.


To the thread subject, feminism is the direct counter movement to chauvinism. But they are in many ways reverse sexism. I think many women from my generation got effed up a bit. I've known or tried to know quite a few that had an adversarial attitude. If she likes red and you like blue she thinks it's a disagreement.

 

[EverCurious]

Yea I'd agree. I saw nothing wrong with the more traditional "family" style - mom raises the kids, is there for her husband, cheers him on, etc. I just never saw it as sexist, maybe because I kind of see both sides. I worship some women, I want to spoil them and protect them. It's not that I think they're "lesser" than me, it's just that some of them are that special. It's ultimately why I could never be a lesbian, or a man for that matter, because I know I'm just not able to give my women the affection they needed; it was fake and they deserved better.

 

[Dragonlady]

I'd like to give the women's point of view.

My first husband was my best friend, my lover, my pal - until we had children. At that point our sex life ceased because even though I lost the weight, my body was no longer perfect. Thereafter I was the old ball and chain, and he found childless women to have sex with.

Same with my second marriage. Men blame their wives for loss of intimacy. My second husband stopped doing any foreplay whatsoever once we were married because he "didn't have to" because we were married, and when I stopped "reciprocating" he asked why? When I explained that I was no longer saying "thank you" for something I no longer received, however I would be more than happy to reciprocate, since being a very cunning linguist was high on the list of reasons I married him.

He couldn't be bothered. Instead he went to hookers and blamed me.

Every woman I know said they would have dumped him when he stopped having sex with me. I wish I had.



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[danielpalos]

Well you're off on that "family" bit, I just say that now because I have to come to grips with them not being "my" kids anymore and that's one of the way's I'm doing it. Not that it matters much our kids are all adults now, the youngest is 18. Either way, I don't regret it, I just have to let it go now because I know they're going to... well basically side with their Dad and not call me or whatever. If we divorce I can't even say they are my step-kids anymore :/ Oh well, we raised them right so they're all doing really well and I can be happy for that.

Meh I only brought up the relevant "flaw" and I suppose it's my flaw anyway. My point was simply that if you can't cook, don't get someone who thinks of them self as a "traditional" husband and wants dinner on the table when he gets home.

Obviously I'll take your word for it. I wasn't there, and this is your life story not mine.

I can say for myself that I always cringe when I hear people refer to "my kids" and "his kids" and such.

I was adopted. My sister was not. I can't even begin to image what damage would have been done if my parents had ever said "his kids" and "my kids".

That said, since you are sharing... do you really think it was simply that you can't cook? Or was it simply that he was a bad guy?

I want a traditional wife. But simply 'cooking' isn't a requirement in my book. Granted, since I can't cook either, that would be an interesting problem.

Although I can see a guy choosing who to marry based on "I want a wife that can cook", I do find it hard to believe one would divorce over lack of cooking alone. You are telling me that was his primary core problem? I find that odd. I wonder what he would say if he was here.

You're mistaken, we never referred to them like that, search my post history it's all there. Hell I don't even refer to my ex-husband's new wife as anything more than Mom2.

My husband... I honestly don't know his full, or true issue. He won't talk about his feelings, I wouldn't expect him to frankly; I wouldn't fully understand them anyway. Perhaps he needed more affection than I have to give despite what he had thought. Originally, he wanted to trust someone, he wanted someone who would be faithful, someone who would be reliable. I am all those things, but perhaps he's not as cold as he thought - ironic that he cannot maintain even his own standards. My Mother says it's a mid-life crisis, he told her he was going to see a VA counselor. Knowing him it'll be too late and I will be gone, his life will be in shambles and the honest truth of it is I won't "actually" care - or perhaps it is destiny, because neither of us "actually" cared? Either way, he should have known better than to trade all I offer for a few nights of tawdry sex, especially since I know all his little secret desires, all those things that put him... away. Seems a stupid move to me, and if there is one thing I dislike, besides liars, it would be morons. All I wanted was a faithful man I could trust, he's destroyed all of it... I do not think I can forgive it, and perhaps he knows that so he doesn't even try.

T'is a shame, like a warped fairy tail; the would-be King has all the world waiting for him across the drawbridge, but decides to jump into the moat mid-way. His would-be Queen might try to save him, but he's too much a proud fool to reach for her hand. So be it then. Let him drown, or perhaps his would-be princess can save him. Either way the queen walks away with her dignity.

just get a gang of girl friends, to help you get him over his bad attitude. it always works.

 

[danielpalos]

I'd like to give the women's point of view.

My first husband was my best friend, my lover, my pal - until we had children. At that point our sex life ceased because even though I lost the weight, my body was no longer perfect. Thereafter I was the old ball and chain, and he found childless women to have sex with.

Same with my second marriage. Men blame their wives for loss of intimacy. My second husband stopped doing any foreplay whatsoever once we were married because he "didn't have to" because we were married, and when I stopped "reciprocating" he asked why? When I explained that I was no longer saying "thank you" for something I no longer received, however I would be more than happy to reciprocate, since being a very cunning linguist was high on the list of reasons I married him.

He couldn't be bothered. Instead he went to hookers and blamed me.

Every woman I know said they would have dumped him when he stopped having sex with me. I wish I had.



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I think you merely need to get your girl friends involved, to help him with his attitude problem.

 

[Spare_change]

I'd like to give the women's point of view.

My first husband was my best friend, my lover, my pal - until we had children. At that point our sex life ceased because even though I lost the weight, my body was no longer perfect. Thereafter I was the old ball and chain, and he found childless women to have sex with.

Same with my second marriage. Men blame their wives for loss of intimacy. My second husband stopped doing any foreplay whatsoever once we were married because he "didn't have to" because we were married, and when I stopped "reciprocating" he asked why? When I explained that I was no longer saying "thank you" for something I no longer received, however I would be more than happy to reciprocate, since being a very cunning linguist was high on the list of reasons I married him.

He couldn't be bothered. Instead he went to hookers and blamed me.

Every woman I know said they would have dumped him when he stopped having sex with me. I wish I had.



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Sometimes, what you get just isn't worth the price you have to pay.

 

[danielpalos]

Is it any wonder, some guys don't mind discussing "straddling options", with really hot blonds.

 

[EverCurious]

danielpalos I can tell you're young. You think the solution to all problems is to have threesomes with other chicks? You're wrong and I could explain in the fullest detail exactly why you are wrong, but it's not hardly worth it since you're just trolling with suggestions like that.

That said @ Ladies, and men, with relationship issues - there is no one solution, humans are damned annoying with their unique needs and wants. It's nigh impossible to guess at a persons desires, and worse so because they change over time as well. Tis an annoying, apparently painful, part of life... I say go with your heart, really know what you want and fight for it if you must. I think secret affairs are typically pleas for attention, be it deserved attention or not. The downside I suppose is that it seems you never know until it is too late...

 

[danielpalos]

danielpalos I can tell you're young. You think the solution to all problems is to have threesomes with other chicks? You're wrong and I could explain in the fullest detail exactly why you are wrong, but it's not hardly worth it since you're just trolling with suggestions like that.

That said @ Ladies, and men, with relationship issues - there is no one solution, humans are damned annoying with their unique needs and wants. It's nigh impossible to guess at a persons desires, and worse so because they change over time as well. Tis an annoying, apparently painful, part of life... I say go with your heart, really know what you want and fight for it if you must. I think secret affairs are typically pleas for attention, be it deserved attention or not. The downside I suppose is that it seems you never know until it is too late...

What happened to equal rights? Is that only for women.

 

[EverCurious]

danielpalos I can tell you're young. You think the solution to all problems is to have threesomes with other chicks? You're wrong and I could explain in the fullest detail exactly why you are wrong, but it's not hardly worth it since you're just trolling with suggestions like that.

That said @ Ladies, and men, with relationship issues - there is no one solution, humans are damned annoying with their unique needs and wants. It's nigh impossible to guess at a persons desires, and worse so because they change over time as well. Tis an annoying, apparently painful, part of life... I say go with your heart, really know what you want and fight for it if you must. I think secret affairs are typically pleas for attention, be it deserved attention or not. The downside I suppose is that it seems you never know until it is too late...

What happened to equal rights? Is that only for women.

I'll attempt to put this politely. I believe in open marriages and I'm bisexual, dumbass.

 

[Andylusion]

I'd like to give the women's point of view.

My first husband was my best friend, my lover, my pal - until we had children. At that point our sex life ceased because even though I lost the weight, my body was no longer perfect. Thereafter I was the old ball and chain, and he found childless women to have sex with.

Same with my second marriage. Men blame their wives for loss of intimacy. My second husband stopped doing any foreplay whatsoever once we were married because he "didn't have to" because we were married, and when I stopped "reciprocating" he asked why? When I explained that I was no longer saying "thank you" for something I no longer received, however I would be more than happy to reciprocate, since being a very cunning linguist was high on the list of reasons I married him.

He couldn't be bothered. Instead he went to hookers and blamed me.

Every woman I know said they would have dumped him when he stopped having sex with me. I wish I had.

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I have a hard time believing that. I don't mean to say you are lying. I think you are telling the truth, as best you know it.

But you are saying that your husband stopped having sex with you because your body wasn't perfect?

That is very difficult for me to believe. I was reading this article on HuffingtonPost (yes I read stuff from sites I don't generally like), from a woman who was giving tips on how to lose the weight after baby.

In the middle of the article, almost as an after thought, she mentioned that "oddly" she got far more compliments on her looks and curves after the pregnancy, than after she lost the weight. When she got back down to the itty bitty size she thought was beautiful, no one complimented her anymore.

Point being, the super slim, idiotic run-way, puke in the bathroom, photoshopped model, is not attractive.

And where are these perfect body girls anyway? You think those hookers and escorts have perfect bodies? Where? I haven't seen a woman with a 'perfect body' yet. Where's that girl at?

Further, I've read that most men feel more attracted to their wives after birth. That mirrors what I have seen in person. Most men desire their wives more, after they have had children, than before.

And honestly, every time I meet a woman that says "I was smoking hot until I had kids"... its usually right after I was sitting there thinking, "wow that guy is so lucky to have such an attractive wife". I've actually had this literally happen twice. One was a pastors wife, who was saying "after I had kids, I just didn't have it anymore", and this was just like 10 minutes after a I was with a group of guys who were saying they couldn't believe how beautiful the pastors wife was.

The other time was a relative, whose wife could have been on the front cover a magazine somewhere. She had 3 kids, and was moaning about how she wasn't what she used to be. I was thinking unless she had a halo, wings, and a white robe that glowed, I don't know what she lost.

All of that to say this.... I know you believe what you told me. You are not a liar. I know that.

But I can't even begin to image that it was your mother curves that ended your sex life. I wonder what he would say. Was he on drugs? Did you have hormonal problems? Something. I just have a real hard time thinking that was the problem. Unless you gained 400 lbs, and had to get a motorized chair to get around in.

There has got to be more to that story, unless he was just flat out a scum bag. Which could be. But a scum bag would cheat on you regardless of mommy curves.

 

[Dragonlady]

I mean this is not the woman that a guy gets up in the morning and asks, "Honey..........Where are my socks?" This is not the woman that watches him scratch his balls or listens to him burp the Star Spangled Banner.

The more I think about it, this right here.... is exactly the problem.

You can't be a lover and a confidant to a man, because of this.

Now at the exact same time, you turn right around, and can easily do this for your children. Can't you?

Your children, burp, fart, crap their pants, smear food all over the place, pee in your face, roll around in the mud then track it through the house, get sick, have snot all over their face, scream, squeal, yell, cry.... and many more things.

And you have no problem finding time to be with them. No problem loving them. No problem dealing with their faults and failures. No problem cleaning up their clothes. No problem fixing them dinner.

By every possible measure, a man is far less of a problem... and of course he's going to work, putting in 8 to 10 hours, and bringing home a pay check that you then spend to do all those above mentioned things for your child.

But you can't be a lover to him. Can't be a confidant to him. Because he scratched his balls, and burped, and asked you where his socks are.

This is why escorts have a lucrative job. This is why men find other women to be with. This is it right here.

Andy, your posts are very one sided. Women are not your servants. You claim to want sex and intimacy but offer neither. It's all about what YOU want.

Can you support a wife and family without her working? If not, you'd better learn to cook and do housework because if you can't afford to have her stay home and look after your needs don't expect her to work all day and look after the house and kids by herself.

It's YOUR home and they're your children. Even if she is at home full time, you should be doing child care and helping her at home. She's your helpmate not your servant.

The men posting about how there needs aren't being met have not posted one thing about how they would be such a great husband and how they would be such a catch.

Love and sex are reciprocal. So is intimacy. Marriage is a partnership. What are you bringing to the table?

You don't want a woman who helps you grow and achieve your dreams. You want a passive vessel who doesn't ask anything of YOU while she eases your way through life. What's in it for her?

 

[danielpalos]

danielpalos I can tell you're young. You think the solution to all problems is to have threesomes with other chicks? You're wrong and I could explain in the fullest detail exactly why you are wrong, but it's not hardly worth it since you're just trolling with suggestions like that.

That said @ Ladies, and men, with relationship issues - there is no one solution, humans are damned annoying with their unique needs and wants. It's nigh impossible to guess at a persons desires, and worse so because they change over time as well. Tis an annoying, apparently painful, part of life... I say go with your heart, really know what you want and fight for it if you must. I think secret affairs are typically pleas for attention, be it deserved attention or not. The downside I suppose is that it seems you never know until it is too late...

What happened to equal rights? Is that only for women.

I'll attempt to put this politely. I believe in open marriages and I'm bisexual, dumbass.

but, do You have a policy of, "no guy left behind"?

 

[Dragonlady]

I think most sexy beautiful women should be prostitute. It's just the most efficient way. We pick occupation with the highest pay. We got the highest pay when we do what's most valuable for others.

Not all women are sex objects of course. Only the pretty are.

Now, look at a beautiful big tities woman. What should she be? Engineer? Soldiers? Sex objects of course.

This truth is so important and profound in our evolution that it's imprinted in all men's DNA and hardwired in most men's brain. Women are sex object. When we men see beautiful women, what we think and feel the first time is how do I knock her up.

This is not lack of control or sinful thought or whatever religious leaders would want you to believe.

It's the way it's supposed to.

If you see a butcher, of course you think he is a meat provider.

The same way if you see a hot woman, what you think is of course she is a candidate to reproduce.

You don't even have to think. Through years of evolution, men that don't instinctively feel that way have gone extinct.

But western civilization (and westernized ones) are unique.

No.

Women can be anything BUT sex objects.

She can be soldiers, she can be dish washers, she can be road cleaners, she can be soldiers. But get paid for sex? Whoa..... That's oppression, demeaning, bla bla bla bla bla

Now look at white guys birth rate. You guys are going extinct. You ignore the most fundamental truth in the world. Women are sex objects. It's TRUE.

Think of any objects you want. What objects is most suitable for sexual reproduction? Think about it? Your TV? Your cat? Your Dad? What kind of objects will max out numbers of your genetic copy if you have sex with? Women.

Now some religious leaders would say. Sex is great as long as you do it within marriage.

What is the difference between marital sex and prostitution?

If you ignore the religious mambo jumbo like sanctity, sacredness. If others' opinion like "legitimacy" means little to you. Marital sex has only one positive side.

Paternity determination.

That's it.

In ancient time, before blood DNA tests, the ONLY way to know who the father is is by institution called marriage. In fact, MOST religions do not prohibit sex outside marriage as long paternity fraud is not an issue.

Ancient jewish religion, for example, allow concubinage and polygamy and sex with slaves. As long as you don't have sex with someone else' wife or fiancee you're good.

Nowadays, paternity determination in marriage is obsolete. We got DNA tests for that. Marriage is totally useless if we don't give fuck about religions and others' opinion.

So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.

Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.

But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.

I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.

Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men

One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.

“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.

“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”

The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.

In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).

“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.

“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”​

Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?

Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.

To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.

I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".

One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.

That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.

And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?

I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.

What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.

I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.

No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.

This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.

My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.

The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".

SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).

I have a friend who was a high-priced call girl, making at least $1,000 a night. Her best night ever was with a rock star who tipped well - $3,000. She HATED the work and quit. Clients treated her badly and thought that the fees entitled them to do anything they wanted including hurt her. She had to get her driver in to protect her more than once.

She got out because she was starting to do drugs just to get through her shifts. So she's still young and beautiful, and now married. And yes her husband knows what she used to do for a living.

 

[danielpalos]

I think most sexy beautiful women should be prostitute. It's just the most efficient way. We pick occupation with the highest pay. We got the highest pay when we do what's most valuable for others.

Not all women are sex objects of course. Only the pretty are.

Now, look at a beautiful big tities woman. What should she be? Engineer? Soldiers? Sex objects of course.

This truth is so important and profound in our evolution that it's imprinted in all men's DNA and hardwired in most men's brain. Women are sex object. When we men see beautiful women, what we think and feel the first time is how do I knock her up.

This is not lack of control or sinful thought or whatever religious leaders would want you to believe.

It's the way it's supposed to.

If you see a butcher, of course you think he is a meat provider.

The same way if you see a hot woman, what you think is of course she is a candidate to reproduce.

You don't even have to think. Through years of evolution, men that don't instinctively feel that way have gone extinct.

But western civilization (and westernized ones) are unique.

No.

Women can be anything BUT sex objects.

She can be soldiers, she can be dish washers, she can be road cleaners, she can be soldiers. But get paid for sex? Whoa..... That's oppression, demeaning, bla bla bla bla bla

Now look at white guys birth rate. You guys are going extinct. You ignore the most fundamental truth in the world. Women are sex objects. It's TRUE.

Think of any objects you want. What objects is most suitable for sexual reproduction? Think about it? Your TV? Your cat? Your Dad? What kind of objects will max out numbers of your genetic copy if you have sex with? Women.

Now some religious leaders would say. Sex is great as long as you do it within marriage.

What is the difference between marital sex and prostitution?

If you ignore the religious mambo jumbo like sanctity, sacredness. If others' opinion like "legitimacy" means little to you. Marital sex has only one positive side.

Paternity determination.

That's it.

In ancient time, before blood DNA tests, the ONLY way to know who the father is is by institution called marriage. In fact, MOST religions do not prohibit sex outside marriage as long paternity fraud is not an issue.

Ancient jewish religion, for example, allow concubinage and polygamy and sex with slaves. As long as you don't have sex with someone else' wife or fiancee you're good.

Nowadays, paternity determination in marriage is obsolete. We got DNA tests for that. Marriage is totally useless if we don't give fuck about religions and others' opinion.

So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.

Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.

But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.

I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.

Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men

One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.

“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.

“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”

The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.

In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).

“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.

“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”​

Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?

Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.

To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.

I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".

One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.

That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.

And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?

I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.

What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.

I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.

No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.

This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.

My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.

The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".

SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).

I have a friend who was a high-priced call girl, making at least $1,000 a night. Her best night ever was with a rock star who tipped well - $3,000. She HATED the work and quit. Clients treated her badly and thought that the fees entitled them to do anything they wanted including hurt her. She had to get her driver in to protect her more than once.

She got out because she was starting to do drugs just to get through her shifts. So she's still young and beautiful, and now married. And yes her husband knows what she used to do for a living.

sometimes, it helps if you can discuss straddling options, beforehand.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yesterday was my 42 wedding anniversary.

Is that why there's blood on her teeth? Sucking you dry? (I'm kidding!)

That you would even make this comment speaks volumes on your attitude towards women.

Being married for 42 years takes work - on both sides. It takes commitment and respect.

You have indicated in your posts that you don't respect women. You see them as parasites sucking the life out of their husbands.

When I see men or women gossiping about their men or their women and backstabbing them, my comment is usually "If he/she is such an asshole/bitch, then what does that say about you? You picked him/her. "

How you talk about your partner is a reflection on YOU, not them. How you talk about women here, why would a smart, loving woman looking for a life partner want a man with such a low opinion of women?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Men like it when they hear: "Oh all right, but make it quick."

True story.