FDR Admiration Society

[PoliticalChic]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

 

[regent]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

So what is your best argument that I'm wrong: "low life liberal" or "scumbag"? Both are tremendous pieces of evidence, and I quake when I hear them.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

So what is your best argument that I'm wrong: "low life liberal" or "scumbag"? Both are tremendous pieces of evidence, and I quake when I hear them.

I've never used that second term.....you must have heard it from lots of others.


FDR?

Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..



1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations


3. He extended the Depression by years.


4. He disposed of the Constitution


5. He imposed Mussolini's Fascist policies and called it 'the New Deal


6. He turned over command of our military actions in WWII to Stalin, and cost multiple thousands of US soldiers' deaths.


7. He made certain that communism survived the war, and thrived afterwards.


8. Without his efforts, there would be no Red China, no Korean War, and no Vietnamese War


9. ...and he is the proximate explanation for the cultural Marxism prevalent in society today.


And, he inspired lying Leftists like you.






If only Roosevelt had a mind of his own, and had, as his priority, what was good for America and Americans.

1. He would have recognized how evil Stalin and communism is/was.

2. He would have done what the experts advised, and made certain that Hitler and Stalin destroyed each other.

3. He would have given the anti-Nazi Germans the same support he gave the resistance in every other nation.

4. The war would have ended some 3-5 years earlier, with a half million fewer American casualties.

5.Both Nazi and Marxist butchers would have received their due justice.

6. No 'Cold War.'

7. The Constitution would be our 'law of the land.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a great wartime president because he let the generals conduct the war.

"He was a great wartime president because he let the generals conduct the war."


I'm gonna have to disagree with your last sentence, Billy.


1. In his tireless and unending efforts to placate, favor, win the approval of homicidal maniac Joseph Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt offered up the lives of 150,000 American soldiers in said endeavor.



Lend lease was a mistake in that it prioritized materials for Russia that were sorely needed by American troops.

Allowing Stalin to determine the location of a 'second front' over the objections of American generals, and of Winston Churchill, was a mistake.

But the worst blunder was bowing to Stalin's demands that Germany be pulverized, reduced to ashes, rather than be allowed to surrender.....the doctrine of 'unconditional surrender'....was the very worst.



2. Franklin Roosevelt was known to fabricate all sorts of things...that he wrote Haiti's constitution, that his cabinet would be made to swear to a balanced budget, that he came up with the idea of 'Lend Lease,'....none of which are true.
He also put out the idea that 'unconditional surrender' of Germany originated with him.

Robert Sherwood, Harry Hopkins official biographer, quotes Roosevelt as saying "The thought popped into my mind...and the next thing I knew I had said it."
Sherwood, "The White House Papers of Harry L. Hopkins; Vol II," p. 693



Actually, the policy was first mentioned in January of 1943, at the Casablanca Conference.

a. The State Department Casablanca Conference records explains that this controversial surrender policy came from a meeting of a State Department and Council on Foreign Relations panel.

BTW....that was the same panel with "...working alongside him in the Council was Alger Hiss, a newly elected member sympathetic to the left wing of the Democratic Party,..."
The group functioned via this mantra: "Cooperation between the United States and the Soviet Union is as essential as almost anything in the world today, and unless and until it becomes entirely evident that the U.S.S.R. is not interested in achieving cooperation, we must redouble, not abandon, our efforts, when the task proves difficult."
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Since the group briefed Roosevelt prior to January 1943, clearly the idea of 'unconditional surrender did not originate with Roosevelt.
Churchill knew nothing of the plan.


3. Actually, the very first use of the phrase 'unconditional surrender" at Casablanca was by Stalin's spy Harry Hopkins. One day earlier, January 23, before the President announced it, Hopkins told the grand vizier of Morocco, "The war will be pursued until Germany, Italy, and Japan agree to unconditional surrender."
"Harry Hopkins: Ally of the Poor and Defender of Democracy," by George McJimsey, p.277
and FRUS: Washington and Casablanca, p. 703.



4. When, on January 24, 1943, Roosevelt read several pages of notes discussing the doctrine to reporters, according to Sherwood, "carefully prepared in advance,"...one might ask who regularly prepared and edited said notes.

a. Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


b. Life magazine ran a spread on Hopkins on September 22, 1941, calling his a one-man cabinet to Roosevelt. In fact, he lived at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, from May 1940 to December 1943.
LIFE - Google Books, p. 93.

c. Elliott [Roosevelt, FDR's son] attributes this comment to his father: "Of course, it's just the thing for the Russians. They couldn't want anything better. Unconditional surrender! Uncle Joe might have made it up himself."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.122




And so was born Allied doctrine.
And the policy that ensured Soviet domination over half of Europe....at the cost of American lives and treasure....

Any guess as to where the policy actually originated?



5. [The 'unconditional surrender policy] helped prolong the war in Europe through its usefulness to German domestic propaganda that used it to encourage further resistance against the Allied armies, and its suppressive effect on the German resistance movement since even after a coup against Adolf Hitler:

"...those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country."
Michael Balfour, "Another Look at 'Unconditional Surrender'",International Affairs(Royal Institute of International Affairs 1944-), Vol. 46, No. 4 (Oct., 1970), pp. 719-736



6. To get an idea of the cost of the extended war...."....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died – a startling figure today – between D day[june 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence

Get that?

135,000 brave American boys whose lives were offered up as a gift to Stalin....to make certain that communism survived.


Based on the ratio of deaths to wounded, that would suggest almost an additional 200,000 wounded, just between Normandy and Germany's surrender.

Totally attributed to 'unconditional surrender'.....the policy demanded by Stalin.

 

[Camp]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. His knowledge and opinion come from first-hand empirical data. He is not just voicing an opinion based on guessing and partisan hearsay. He lived in the era and earned his rights as a WWII Combat veteran.
Go ahead and gang up on him and disparage him. No doubt his island hopping experiences in the Pacific during WWII made him tough enough to deal with you internet tough guys.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. H

And I certainly hope you live to be far older....but that is beside the point.

Your post is testimony to the fact that you cannot deny or refute anything I posted here:


Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..



1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations


3. He extended the Depression by years.


4. He disposed of the Constitution


5. He imposed Mussolini's Fascist policies and called it 'the New Deal


6. He turned over command of our military actions in WWII to Stalin, and cost multiple thousands of US soldiers' deaths.


7. He made certain that communism survived the war, and thrived afterwards.


8. Without his efforts, there would be no Red China, no Korean War, and no Vietnamese War


9. ...and he is the proximate explanation for the cultural Marxism prevalent in society today.


And, he inspired lying Leftists like you.






If only Roosevelt had a mind of his own, and had, as his priority, what was good for America and Americans.

1. He would have recognized how evil Stalin and communism is/was.

2. He would have done what the experts advised, and made certain that Hitler and Stalin destroyed each other.

3. He would have given the anti-Nazi Germans the same support he gave the resistance in every other nation.

4. The war would have ended some 3-5 years earlier, with a half million fewer American casualties.

5.Both Nazi and Marxist butchers would have received their due justice.

6. No 'Cold War.'

7. The Constitution would be our 'law of the land.'



You should stop lying about FDR.

 

[Camp]

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. H

And I certainly hope you live to be far older....but that is beside the point.

Your post is testimony to the fact that you cannot deny or refute anything I posted here:

.

Your crap revisionist history has been refuted for years hear. You post rhe same old stuff promoted by partisans in fear of Clinton bringing New Deal programs into the 90's and rehashed ever since but always refuted and debunked. My family lived through the GD and some served in WWII. Not all of them came home. I grew up hearing the stories.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. H

And I certainly hope you live to be far older....but that is beside the point.

Your post is testimony to the fact that you cannot deny or refute anything I posted here:

.

Your crap revisionist history has been refuted for years hear. You post rhe same old stuff promoted by partisans in fear of Clinton bringing New Deal programs into the 90's and rehashed ever since but always refuted and debunked. My family lived through the GD and some served in WWII. Not all of them came home. I grew up hearing the stories.

Let's see you refute anything I've posted.....either that or admit you're a low-life lying Liberal.

 

[rightwinger]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

Those lists have consistently ranked FDR as one of our greatest presidents for 70 years

Hardly a popularity contest

He was a great wartime president because he took control of the economy and the military and selected the best people

 

[rightwinger]

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. H

And I certainly hope you live to be far older....but that is beside the point.

Your post is testimony to the fact that you cannot deny or refute anything I posted here:

.

Your crap revisionist history has been refuted for years hear. You post rhe same old stuff promoted by partisans in fear of Clinton bringing New Deal programs into the 90's and rehashed ever since but always refuted and debunked. My family lived through the GD and some served in WWII. Not all of them came home. I grew up hearing the stories.

FDR saved our nation and led us into becoming a modern democracy

 

[Camp]

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. H

And I certainly hope you live to be far older....but that is beside the point.

Your post is testimony to the fact that you cannot deny or refute anything I posted here:


Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..



1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin



.

"Roosevelr offered up rhe live of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master Joseph "Koba" Stalin." #1 on the PC revisionist history list.
PURE BULL CRAP

Russia lost over 20 million military and civilian lives in WWII fighting the Germans and their East European axis, including troops and assistance from Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and nations that provided volunteers to the German military like Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and the Balkans, all East Europeans. The US did not send Armies into those regions. The US did not lose millions of men conquering and taking control of those nations.

US and western strategy called for the development of western Europe. Made sense and an important factor to remember and be aware of is FDR died before the war ended and no one knows how he would have handled situations that arose after the war ended. Makes speculative claims of FDR offering up lives of East Europeans Pure Bull Crap. He simply agreed on not risking or offering up hundreds of thousands of American lives and billions of dollars fighting a new war, this one with Russia for war-torn and ravaged Eastern Europe.

All of PC's goofy partisan revisionism can be refuted and debunked.

 

[regent]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

 

[rightwinger]

Western Europe owes its existence to FDR

 

[Camp]

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

So what is your best argument that I'm wrong: "low life liberal" or "scumbag"? Both are tremendous pieces of evidence, and I quake when I hear them.

I've never used that second term.....you must have heard it from lots of others.


FDR?

Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations

Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."

UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. H

And I certainly hope you live to be far older....but that is beside the point.

Your post is testimony to the fact that you cannot deny or refute anything I posted here:


Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..



1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin



.

"Roosevelr offered up rhe live of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master Joseph "Koba" Stalin." #1 on the PC revisionist history list.
PURE BULL CRAP

Russia lost over 20 million military and civilian lives in WWII fighting the Germans and their East European axis, including troops and assistance from Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and nations that provided volunteers to the German military like Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and the Balkans, all East Europeans. The US did not send Armies into those regions. The US did not lose millions of men conquering and taking control of those nations.

US and western strategy called for the development of western Europe. Made sense and an important factor to remember and be aware of is FDR died before the war ended and no one knows how he would have handled situations that arose after the war ended. Makes speculative claims of FDR offering up lives of East Europeans Pure Bull Crap. He simply agreed on not risking or offering up hundreds of thousands of American lives and billions of dollars fighting a new war, this one with Russia for war-torn and ravaged Eastern Europe.

All of PC's goofy partisan revisionism can be refuted and debunked.

"Roosevelr offered up rhe live of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master Joseph "Koba" Stalin." #1 on the PC revisionist history list."


Absolutely true....as is everything I post.

1. The best place to attack Germany was straight up through Italy, which had already surrendered.
Even Eisenhower thought so.

2. Stalin demanded that the attack be far, far northwest, at Normandy.

3. This was so that fully half of Europe would be left to the tender mercies of the Red Army.

4. FDR simply bent over and grabbed his ankles....and forced D Day via Normandy.


5. Evidence can be seen in a document which Hopkins took with him to the Quebec conference in August, 1943, entitled "Russia's Position," quoted as follows in Robert Sherwood's book, "Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate History,":
"Russia's post-war position in Europe will be a dominant one. With Germany crushed, there is no power in Europe to oppose her tremendous military forces."




NEXT:
"Russia lost over 20 million military and civilian lives in WWII ..."

Most killed by STALIN!!!

Watch this, you fool:

"Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin"
Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin


"In 1945 Zhukov is reported to have said to US General Dwight D. Eisenhower, "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." The shear weight of numbers eventually drove the Germans back, along with the Soviet leadership's determination not to relent, whatever the cost." Georgy Zhukov hero file | moreorless.net.au


Russians would do anything not to return to Roosevelt's pal's 'paradise.'

4. The 850,000 strong army of Gen. Andrei Andreyevich Vlasov, having gone to the other side, Germany, "to save their country from Stalin" and having later surrendered to US forces, "formed the core of those forcebly repatritated between 1944 and 1947."

"Operation Keelhaul; The Story of Forced Repatriation from 1944 to the Present.by Julius Epstein p.27, 53.


a. Gen. Deniken, former commanding general of the White Russian armies which were supported by the USA in 1917-1920, explained that none of these men served in the Nazi army out of love for Germany..."they hated the Germans" he wrote....rather, they knew what awaited them in the 'Soviet paradise.'



More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. "The Secret Betrayal"byNikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.





World War II left over 27 million Soviet citizens dead....but only a fraction of them were killed by the Germans. Yet throughout the West. 'war crimes' is a phrase only attacked to the Nazis. When the Red Army marched, an NKVD army marched behind, with its own tanks, machine guns, firing forward....never allowing retreat. More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. "The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.



Everything I post is documented, sourced, and linked.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

German and Soviet troops shaking hands following the invasion


Allies until 1941

 

[PoliticalChic]

Y
So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. H

And I certainly hope you live to be far older....but that is beside the point.

Your post is testimony to the fact that you cannot deny or refute anything I posted here:


Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..



1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin



.

"Roosevelr offered up rhe live of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master Joseph "Koba" Stalin." #1 on the PC revisionist history list.
PURE BULL CRAP

Russia lost over 20 million military and civilian lives in WWII fighting the Germans and their East European axis, including troops and assistance from Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and nations that provided volunteers to the German military like Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and the Balkans, all East Europeans. The US did not send Armies into those regions. The US did not lose millions of men conquering and taking control of those nations.

US and western strategy called for the development of western Europe. Made sense and an important factor to remember and be aware of is FDR died before the war ended and no one knows how he would have handled situations that arose after the war ended. Makes speculative claims of FDR offering up lives of East Europeans Pure Bull Crap. He simply agreed on not risking or offering up hundreds of thousands of American lives and billions of dollars fighting a new war, this one with Russia for war-torn and ravaged Eastern Europe.

All of PC's goofy partisan revisionism can be refuted and debunked.

"The US did not send Armies into those regions. The US did not lose millions of men conquering and taking control of those nations."


FDR died April 12th..but, based on Marshall's order, the White House clearly knew of the following prior to that:

" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945. When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.html


b. Despite the total victory in Europe by Allied forces, thousands and thousands of US soldiers -- perhaps as many as 20,000 -- were never repatriated from prisoner of war (POW) camps, prisons and forced labor and concentration camps.




These American soldiers were being held in Nazi prison camps, along with other Allied POWs and some Nazi captives, when they were overrun by the Red Army. Thus, hundreds of thousands of Allied POWs who had been held by the Nazis, as well as millions of Western European citizens, or Displaced Persons, came under Red Army control. Indeed, this number increased because General Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, decided to stop the US and British drive eastward into Germany, in order to wait for Soviet forces driving West, so that US and Soviet forces could meet in Berlin.

The Soviet rationale for not repatriating Allied soldiers and citizens, however, was motivated by more complex and more repugnant reasons than credits along. In the memoirs of former Secretary of State under President Truman, James F. Byrnes, there appears an illuminating conversation the Secretary had with Molotov, the Soviet Commissar of Foreign Affairs. In September, 1945, several weeks after Japan's surrender, Byrnes recounted that while in London:


Mr. Molotov came to see me, on instructions from Moscow... [Molotov] wanted to complain of the way in which the surrender terms [with Japan] were being carried out. He complained particularly about the way the Japanese Army was being demobilized. It was dangerous, he said, merely to disarm the Japanese and send them home; they should be held as prisoners of war. We should do what the Red Army was doing with the Japanese it had taken in Manchuria--make them work...No one can say accurately how many Japanese prisoners have been taken to the Soviet Union.


In mid-1947, the best guess was that approximately 500,000 were still there.

Our 20,000 Missing POW's of WWII




Nothing I post can be 'refuted nor debunked'....simply lied about by low-life lying Liberals.

 

[Unkotare]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

Your economic ideas are fantasies like your worship of the scumbag fdr.

 

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So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

So what is your best argument that I'm wrong: "low life liberal" or "scumbag"? Both are tremendous pieces of evidence, and I quake when I hear them.

I've never used that second term.....you must have heard it from lots of others.


FDR?

Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations

Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."

UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR.

"Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."

UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR."



1 January 1942 || The name "United Nations" is coined
The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries.
24 October 1945 || The United Nations officially comes into existence

a. " [Alger Hiss was appointed acting secretary-general of the U.N. founding conference and was involved in staffing the U.N. by selecting people for employment in the world body. “About fifty showed up as permanent employees and a couple of hundred in part-time assignments,” Shelton says of Hiss’s efforts." “Alger Hiss Day” a Reminder of U.N.’s Anti-Americanism

2. And the reason for Stalin's ultimate victory?

Franklin Roosevelt, who played 'Robin' to Stalin's 'Batman.'
FDR knew of the Terror Famine, the genocide, the repression...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet Roosevelt enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.

3. "A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.

He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).

At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.

All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know

theforbiddenknowledge.com -&nbsptheforbiddenknowledge Resources and Information.

Sanity for Superheroes: What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know






Still waiting for you to 'debunk' anything, you dunce.