FDA OKs 'morning-after' pill for 17-year-olds

After thinking about this I don't believe there should be an age restriction at all. A parent forcing a minor to give birth against her will would be guilty of child abuse, imo.

A parent is responsible for the behavior, well being, and guidance/direction of the child. Hence they are in the custody of the parent or guardian....

Forcing a child to have sex, that would be abuse. Deciding for the child to give birth instead of murdering the unborn is not abuse. Just as deciding on other moral and medical issues is not abuse.

18 year old... they can make their personal decisions.. .get emancipated, and they can make their own decisions... but as a minor, no way in hell
Totally disagree. Do you think condoms should only be sold to eighteen year olds and above as well?

I'm pretty sure Political Chic thinks even adults should go before a judge for such decisions. :eusa_think: Interesting how we don't want the government to hold our hands on some things, but look to the government to make laws to restrict personal behavior.

If you don't think your child is at an appropriate age, you can teach them to behave otherwise, but why ask the government to impose such restrictions? Where's the harm?
 
Yes.

A 17-year old of today has more information and knowledge about the world and themselves than a 35 year old during the 1980s would have had.

I think they should lower it to 15 to be honest. Who is a parent to say that a 15-year old must stay pregnant and deliver a baby?
After thinking about this I don't believe there should be an age restriction at all. A parent forcing a minor to give birth against her will would be guilty of child abuse, imo.

A parent is responsible for the behavior, well being, and guidance/direction of the child. Hence they are in the custody of the parent or guardian....

So then you blame Sarah Palin for Bristol getting pregnant when she was 16?


Deciding for the child to give birth instead of murdering the unborn is not abuse.

Murdering the unborn?

Have you ever hunted before? How do you know the animal you killed wasn't pregnant? YOU MURDERED THE UNBORN!

A human embryo is less complex, chemically and structurually, than strain of bacteria - yet the embryo will have much more severe consquences, in fact even life-threatening consequences for the host than the bacteria, yet I'm sure you've taken penicilin before.
 
After thinking about this I don't believe there should be an age restriction at all. A parent forcing a minor to give birth against her will would be guilty of child abuse, imo.

A parent is responsible for the behavior, well being, and guidance/direction of the child. Hence they are in the custody of the parent or guardian....

So then you blame Sarah Palin for Bristol getting pregnant when she was 16?


Deciding for the child to give birth instead of murdering the unborn is not abuse.

Murdering the unborn?

Have you ever hunted before? How do you know the animal you killed wasn't pregnant? YOU MURDERED THE UNBORN!

A human embryo is less complex, chemically and structurually, than strain of bacteria - yet the embryo will have much more severe consquences, in fact even life-threatening consequences for the host than the bacteria, yet I'm sure you've taken penicilin before.

You are a complete idiot

1) Blame Sarah for her daughter getting pregnant? Nope... But the responsibility for decisions and care even after she is pregnant, that does not disappear... but nice try
2) Animals are not humans... and a bacteria can never and will never become a human.. neither will a deer.. neither will a fish.. neither will a turkey.... a human embryo will
 
The pill prevents conception, even the most strict pro-lifers hold that life begins at conception and not before. Ergo this is not an abortion issue.

Age of consent is 16, there are already too many unwanted pregnancies in this country (world wide for that matter). I honestly fail to see the problem.
 
A parent is responsible for the behavior, well being, and guidance/direction of the child. Hence they are in the custody of the parent or guardian....

Forcing a child to have sex, that would be abuse. Deciding for the child to give birth instead of murdering the unborn is not abuse. Just as deciding on other moral and medical issues is not abuse.

18 year old... they can make their personal decisions.. .get emancipated, and they can make their own decisions... but as a minor, no way in hell
Totally disagree. Do you think condoms should only be sold to eighteen year olds and above as well?

I know you totally disagree... which is why I say you are totally wrong

Birth control pills (medicine), morning after pills (also medicine/ingested) are different than a penis wrap... just as the condom is about the interaction of 2 lives, whereas a morning after pill now involves the spark of life in a fertilized egg and a decision for a MINOR that is much more than just STD or the decision to have sex....

You as an adult wish to use this, that is legally OK... but a minor is under the guardianship of the parent.... medical and moral decisions for that minor are the responsibility of that parent....

You so much as give one of my kids one smidgen of medicine without my approval or knowledge, and I'll either beat your ass within an inch of your life, or I will have the law down on you faster than the speed of light
No need to threaten me with violence, big guy. I'm not in the habit of deciding for others if they should give birth or not. Since the government is apparently no longer going to babysit your kids for you, you in all fairness should make this threat to anyone and everyone they know, including the clerks at the pharmacy where they might buy over the counter medication.
 
Totally disagree. Do you think condoms should only be sold to eighteen year olds and above as well?

I know you totally disagree... which is why I say you are totally wrong

Birth control pills (medicine), morning after pills (also medicine/ingested) are different than a penis wrap... just as the condom is about the interaction of 2 lives, whereas a morning after pill now involves the spark of life in a fertilized egg and a decision for a MINOR that is much more than just STD or the decision to have sex....

You as an adult wish to use this, that is legally OK... but a minor is under the guardianship of the parent.... medical and moral decisions for that minor are the responsibility of that parent....

You so much as give one of my kids one smidgen of medicine without my approval or knowledge, and I'll either beat your ass within an inch of your life, or I will have the law down on you faster than the speed of light
No need to threaten me with violence, big guy. I'm not in the habit of deciding for others if they should give birth or not. Since the government is apparently no longer going to babysit your kids for you, you in all fairness should make this threat to anyone and everyone they know, including the clerks at the pharmacy where they might buy over the counter medication.

The "you" was a general statement to anyone... as in "you pay your money you take your chances" or other similar sayings... don't get your panties in a wad

If I would find a pharmacist or anyone else giving such a thing to my child or deciding medical decisions for her.. you bet your sweet ass that I would be all over them like stink on a monkey

But it sure seems like you are in the habit of taking the responsibility and decision making of my child away....

As stated... if you are an adult this is legal.. you are the person responsible for your decisions, whether I agree with it or not.... a minor is not an adult and a parent or guardian is the person responsible for the care and decision making for that child's future and well being...

I did not argue the legality of this when the limit was at 18 (legal age).... you put this down to minors, and that is where I draw the line...
 
The morning after pill doesn't regulate sexual promiscuity or morality. It prevents unwanted pregnancies. Pro-lifers and pro-choicers should both be on board with the widespread use of this option. If you worry about your child fucking at the age of 17 then blame yourself not the availability of birth control.
 
There are side effect of this pill to be considered and using it as a repetitive birth control method is ILL ADVISED and hurts the recipient, tremendously, from what I have read of the fine print....

So, encouraging the use of this "plan B" should only be as a LAST RESORT.
 
tampons can be lethal. Would you suggest banning tampons as a last option?
 
A parent is responsible for the behavior, well being, and guidance/direction of the child. Hence they are in the custody of the parent or guardian....

So then you blame Sarah Palin for Bristol getting pregnant when she was 16?


Deciding for the child to give birth instead of murdering the unborn is not abuse.

Murdering the unborn?

Have you ever hunted before? How do you know the animal you killed wasn't pregnant? YOU MURDERED THE UNBORN!

A human embryo is less complex, chemically and structurually, than strain of bacteria - yet the embryo will have much more severe consquences, in fact even life-threatening consequences for the host than the bacteria, yet I'm sure you've taken penicilin before.

You are a complete idiot

1) Blame Sarah for her daughter getting pregnant? Nope... But the responsibility for decisions and care even after she is pregnant, that does not disappear... but nice try
2) Animals are not humans... and a bacteria can never and will never become a human.. neither will a deer.. neither will a fish.. neither will a turkey.... a human embryo will

Do you also believe that every man's sperm or woman's egg is a potential human life?
 
Skull got it exactly right.

We live in world of very mixed messages.

We ask them to "Just Say no to drugs.

And then we find that we have more kids are on legally proscribed psychotropic drugs than any time in human history, and that the biggest drug abuse problem is coming from prescription drugs

We tell them to eschew sex outside of marriage but our media's commercialism uses sex to sell everything.

We tell them that we have a zero tolerance for violence while we build arsenals in our homes, have more armed police forces than ever, and we have troops figiting all over the world.

Kids aren't fooled by the propagandist's blather, that seems to satisfy so many of us here on this board.

They see the sheer hypocricy of our society.

And ya know, when kids find hypocricy they set out to flaunt their contempt for it in ways that usually end up hurting them.

I completely agree with you and thanks for posting this.
 
There are side effect of this pill to be considered and using it as a repetitive birth control method is ILL ADVISED and hurts the recipient, tremendously, from what I have read of the fine print....

So, encouraging the use of this "plan B" should only be as a LAST RESORT.

The side effects from the double dose of hormones, from what I understand, are immediate and can make a woman very sick to her stomach, like morning sickness does. That shoud be enough to deter anyone from relying on it regularly.

The side effects of unwanted pregnancy and birth are much worse than anything this pill could cause.
 
So then you blame Sarah Palin for Bristol getting pregnant when she was 16?




Murdering the unborn?

Have you ever hunted before? How do you know the animal you killed wasn't pregnant? YOU MURDERED THE UNBORN!

A human embryo is less complex, chemically and structurually, than strain of bacteria - yet the embryo will have much more severe consquences, in fact even life-threatening consequences for the host than the bacteria, yet I'm sure you've taken penicilin before.

You are a complete idiot

1) Blame Sarah for her daughter getting pregnant? Nope... But the responsibility for decisions and care even after she is pregnant, that does not disappear... but nice try
2) Animals are not humans... and a bacteria can never and will never become a human.. neither will a deer.. neither will a fish.. neither will a turkey.... a human embryo will

Do you also believe that every man's sperm or woman's egg is a potential human life?

No.. for neither ON THEIR OWN can become a human life.. you can dump gallons of sperm in a test tube or incubator and nothing you do will make that be a life...

But when combined, they zygote, embryo, etc is on the way towards becoming a human life... now, does every one make it? Nope, but that possibility is there and the cycle has started.. and I do hold innocent life sacred and believe that when that possible life is in the equation, it is not just as simple to deal with as throwing out the trash
 
If you don't think your child is at an appropriate age, you can teach them to behave otherwise, but why ask the government to impose such restrictions? Where's the harm?

I have a theory about what the "harm" is as far as many of the people objecting to this is..

It's their attitude mostly not about children or responsibility, but their objection to people having SEX in situations that they PERSONALLY disapprove

Basically every time you find this sort of issue, there's a group of people who sincerely want to PUNISH other people for having had sex.

Anti-abortion is to a great extent, the objection to allowing women who did the magic mystery dance to get away with having had it.

And this issue?

Well clearly, they believe that 17 year old girls should not be able to decide for themselves if they are ready for sex.

It's that family values thing, I suppose.

Because these people like to think we're all ...what? one big happy family or something?!

So they're all over that personal responsibility mantra just so long as that means when they can interfer with people sex lives, because that's THEIR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

But when it comes to helping the poor, the unemployed, victims of crimes, floods, earthquakes or any other event that DIDN'T happen to THEM, then they're all over other people being PERSONAL RESPONSIBLE.

Given that interesting conflict in what personal responsibility is, I sort of dismiss that blather as just so much smoke screen they tell temselves because they do not want to admit this..


These people truly just object to other people having sex and getting away with it.
 
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If you don't think your child is at an appropriate age, you can teach them to behave otherwise, but why ask the government to impose such restrictions? Where's the harm?

I have a theory about what the "harm" is as far as many of the people objecting to this is..

It's their attitude mostly not about children or responsibility, but their objection to people having SEX in situations that they PERSONALLY disapprove

Basically every time you find this sort of issue, there's a group of people who sincerely want to PUNISH other people for having had sex.

Anti-abortion is to a great extent, the objection to allowing women who did the magic mystery dance to get away with having had it.

And this issue?

Well clearly, they believe that 17 year old girls should not be able to decide for themselves if they are ready for sex.

It's that family values thing, I suppose.

Because these people like to think we're all ...what? one big happy family or something?!

So they're all over that personal responsibility mantra just so long as that means when they can interfer with people sex lives, because that's THEIR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

But when it comes to helping the poor, the unemployed, victims of crimes, floods, earthquakes or any other event that DIDN'T happen to THEM, then they're all over other people being PERSONAL RESPONSIBLE.

Given that interesting conflict in what personal responsibility is, I sort of dismiss that blather as just so much smoke screen they tell temselves because they do not want to admit this..


These people truly just object to other people having sex and getting away with it.
Yep. :clap2:
 
Nice try edit.. but that ain't gonna fly

It is not about you or I interfering in little Suzie's sex life... or interjecting ourselves into the responsibility of the situation she may be in.... .but there IS responsibility, but as a minor that responsibility does not fall on the minor. It indeed falls on the parent. Now if the parent or guardian makes the decision that it is the best thing for their child, so be it. If they decide that it is not, so be it. But the well being of the child/minor is indeed the responsibility of the parent... and until that minor does turn to the age of adulthood, that responsibility does not disappear and should not be thrown to the wayside....

As stated.. 18 or above... you will not see me argue against this even if it is not something I think is in my personal moral code.. but when you are dealing with minors, I am not for leaving the parents out of the equation on decisions involving their well being or treatment or medical decisions
 

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