FACT:Before capitalism life expectancy was 24 years,after capitalism 66 years

[Peach]

Lets all have a halleluah moment for all the millionaires.

I will then take a bow.

Capitalism wasn't "introduced"; it was a process. Don't forget the Guilds, UNIONS is the present day term. This thread is funny.

 

[Darkwind]

Before capitalism from the year 1000 to 1820 the world economy grew 600%
After introduction of capitalism from 1820 to 1998 the world economy grew 5,000%.
In regions like Europe,USA,Canada,Australia and New Zealand 19,000%.

Per capita income growth is not the only indicator of welfare.
Over the long run, there has been a dramatic increase in life expectation.
In the year 1000, the average infant could expect to live about 24 years.
A third would die in the first year of life, hunger and epidemic disease would ravage the survivors.
There was an almost imperceptible rise up to 1820, mainly in Western Europe. Most of the improvement has occurred since then.
Now the average infant can expect to survive 66 years.
The World Economy

So in the interest of honest discussion those of you who hate us "greedy" capitalists that KNOW factually that a rising tide raises all the boats, that know that the fact people are living nearly 3 times longer then before capitalism.. show me your stellar examples where economic freedom and capitalism has been bested!

Prove to me that there is a better way of increasing standards of living and thereby life spans!

Anyone who pays attention to history can tell you that people live shorter lives, but more importantly, they're life expectancy is shorter, while living under a strong, centralized government.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Before capitalism from the year 1000 to 1820 the world economy grew 600%
After introduction of capitalism from 1820 to 1998 the world economy grew 5,000%.
In regions like Europe,USA,Canada,Australia and New Zealand 19,000%.

Per capita income growth is not the only indicator of welfare.
Over the long run, there has been a dramatic increase in life expectation.
In the year 1000, the average infant could expect to live about 24 years.
A third would die in the first year of life, hunger and epidemic disease would ravage the survivors.
There was an almost imperceptible rise up to 1820, mainly in Western Europe. Most of the improvement has occurred since then.
Now the average infant can expect to survive 66 years.
The World Economy

So in the interest of honest discussion those of you who hate us "greedy" capitalists that KNOW factually that a rising tide raises all the boats, that know that the fact people are living nearly 3 times longer then before capitalism.. show me your stellar examples where economic freedom and capitalism has been bested!

Prove to me that there is a better way of increasing standards of living and thereby life spans!

Anyone who pays attention to history can tell you that people live shorter lives, but more importantly, they're life expectancy is shorter, while living under a strong, centralized government.

Yeah. Then that shouldn't be hard to document.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Lets all have a halleluah moment for all the millionaires.

I will then take a bow.

Capitalism wasn't "introduced"; it was a process. Don't forget the Guilds, UNIONS is the present day term. This thread is funny.

Don't forget the Phoenicians and their sea trade.

 

[Article 15]

Life expectancy in the US before Social Security, 62, after Social Security, 79.

Life expectancy prior to the widespread availability of television: 62. After television was in every home life expectancy is 79.

50% of households in the country didn't have a TV until the mid 50's

 

[Cecilie1200]

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Imagine what the life span would be if:

• Our population did not have such a high obesity/heart disease rate
• Our culture put more emphasis on personal health than on the Kardashians
• All Americans had easy access to regular preventive medicine
• All Americans had easy access to regular diagnostic medicine and early detection

Asking too much, I know.

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I'm afraid to ask how you would foresee accomplishing your little wish list.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Cities and nations finally realizing that poor sanitation and food safety led to the multitude of diseases instituted sanitation projects and eventually vaccination campaigns to halt and in many cases eliminate communicable disease from their lands. Socialism is responsible for our increased lifespans, if it was up to capitalists your kids would still be in danger of polio every summer and you would have smallpox scars all over your face.

Who paid for the those sanitation programs?
Taxes.
Who paid taxes. People that earned money.
Certainly selling a few bushels of wheat didn't pay the tax bill to put in the sewage lines!

Where did the "socialist" countries that installed these sewage systems get the money to build them?

Who invented the system and why?
Before PVC pipes were made of cast iron. Who invented the cast iron system.
Who invented "PVC" pipes?
All of these above were done by those EVIL money grubbing capitalists!
Who hired people to build the iron pipes now PVC pipes.
Who paid the taxes stolen by the socialistic governments!

NO progress in the world has EVER been attributed to socialistic practices!

As Milton Friedman on Greed. “Well first of all, tell me: Is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed? You think Russia doesn't run on greed?"

You tell me who was a totally non-greedy socialism leader? Castro? Stalin? Mao?
Ortega? Pol Pot? Which of them was NOT greedy for POWER?

Humanity runs on self-interest. Without it, we'd all be lemmings, running off of cliffs, and think how THAT would reduce our life expectancy.

I get very tired of being told there's something wrong and evil about me wanting to do what's in the best interests of me and mine.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Life expectancy in the US before Social Security, 62, after Social Security, 79.

Correlation does not prove causation. Got anything that proves Social Security is the reason for the increase?

 

[Article 15]

Life expectancy in the US before Social Security, 62, after Social Security, 79.

Correlation does not prove causation.

No shit.

Welcome to the point I was making.

 

[Cecilie1200]

But there are still over 750,000 American families going bankrupt every year because of medical bills. And we still have an infant mortality rate like a third world nation.

Both claims are lies. Furthermore, no one ever claimed that capitalism would solve all of humanities problems. Socialism, on the other hand, multiplies humanities problems.

Hoorah for the millionaires hardly addresses the issues with the health care in this nation.

Capitalism works. Socialism sucks.

I must interject. Capitalism DOES solve all of humanity's problems . . . eventually. There's also a difference between "solving problems" and "making problems stop cropping up to be solved".

 

[Cecilie1200]

Louis Pasteur's germ theory of disease is responsible for the dramatic increase in our lifespans and the socialist idiot just gave it away to the world.

John D. Rockefeller gave away millions and millions. Was he a socialist?

Oh, holy crap. Someone should tell Occupied that Louis Pasteur GOT PAID for his work and his discoveries. It was HIS JOB. And he benefited financially and reputation-wise from everything he did.

Louis Pasteur was a science professor at a prestigious research university in France. His work in putting to rest the idea of spontaneous generation was done as part of a contest run by the Paris Academy of Sciences, which he won. His work in fermentation, leading to the Pasteur effect, was undertaken at the behest of the French wine industry. His discovery of pasteurization was done at the direct request of Napoleon III, Emperor of France, in order to save the French wine industry. You think they might have rewarded him for that little bit of work, hmmm?

I don't doubt for a second that his primary motivation was love of science, because most truly successful people get that way because they love what they do. But he was still very much profiting off of what he did, and I also don't doubt for a second that if his institution had stopped paying him and heaping honors on him, he'd have taken his brilliant ass to someplace willing to shell out the cash.

As it should be.

 

[Article 15]

Louis Pasteur's germ theory of disease is responsible for the dramatic increase in our lifespans and the socialist idiot just gave it away to the world.

John D. Rockefeller gave away millions and millions. Was he a socialist?

Oh, holy crap. Someone should tell Occupied that Louis Pasteur GOT PAID for his work and his discoveries. It was HIS JOB. And he benefited financially and reputation-wise from everything he did.

Louis Pasteur was a science professor at a prestigious research university in France. His work in putting to rest the idea of spontaneous generation was done as part of a contest run by the Paris Academy of Sciences, which he won. His work in fermentation, leading to the Pasteur effect, was undertaken at the behest of the French wine industry. His discovery of pasteurization was done at the direct request of Napoleon III, Emperor of France, in order to save the French wine industry. You think they might have rewarded him for that little bit of work, hmmm?

I don't doubt for a second that his primary motivation was love of science, because most truly successful people get that way because they love what they do. But he was still very much profiting off of what he did, and I also don't doubt for a second that if his institution had stopped paying him and heaping honors on him, he'd have taken his brilliant ass to someplace willing to shell out the cash.

As it should be.

So according to you he was working for the government as a part of an effort to bail out a failing industry.

A true capitalism success story!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Cities and nations finally realizing that poor sanitation and food safety led to the multitude of diseases instituted sanitation projects and eventually vaccination campaigns to halt and in many cases eliminate communicable disease from their lands. Socialism is responsible for our increased lifespans, if it was up to capitalists your kids would still be in danger of polio every summer and you would have smallpox scars all over your face.

Horseshit. Socialism didn't invent the small pox vaccine or the polio vaccine, chloroform, anesthesia, modern dentistry, open heart surgery, antibiotics, pesticides that kill disease spreading insects or thousands of other medical advances.

Nope. All those people were being paid for their work by someone who expected to gain something from their success.

 

[Charles_Main]

Before capitalism from the year 1000 to 1820 the world economy grew 600%
After introduction of capitalism from 1820 to 1998 the world economy grew 5,000%.
In regions like Europe,USA,Canada,Australia and New Zealand 19,000%.

Per capita income growth is not the only indicator of welfare.
Over the long run, there has been a dramatic increase in life expectation.
In the year 1000, the average infant could expect to live about 24 years.
A third would die in the first year of life, hunger and epidemic disease would ravage the survivors.
There was an almost imperceptible rise up to 1820, mainly in Western Europe. Most of the improvement has occurred since then.
Now the average infant can expect to survive 66 years.
The World Economy

So in the interest of honest discussion those of you who hate us "greedy" capitalists that KNOW factually that a rising tide raises all the boats, that know that the fact people are living nearly 3 times longer then before capitalism.. show me your stellar examples where economic freedom and capitalism has been bested!

Prove to me that there is a better way of increasing standards of living and thereby life spans!

Not sure about your whole Premise but it is certainly True that Profit Motivations has been, Is and always will be the Most effective Driver of Innovation.

That is what Socialist fail to Understand about their Ideals. They all Tend to Depress Innovation. People simply are far less likely to Invest Blood, sweat, Tears and Time into something if there is not PROFIT to be made.

 

[Charles_Main]

Cities and nations finally realizing that poor sanitation and food safety led to the multitude of diseases instituted sanitation projects and eventually vaccination campaigns to halt and in many cases eliminate communicable disease from their lands. Socialism is responsible for our increased lifespans, if it was up to capitalists your kids would still be in danger of polio every summer and you would have smallpox scars all over your face.

Pure BS, All those Vaccines were Developed by Companies and People seeking a Way to MAKE MONEY. Socialism Had nothing to do with it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

John D. Rockefeller gave away millions and millions. Was he a socialist?

J. D. Rockefeller was both a cutthroat capitalist and a philanthropist that gave this nation much. However, his influence on mankind is but a flicker in the wind compared to Pasteur.

Irrelevant. he gave away his money, but you say he was a capitalist. However, you claim Pasteur was a socialist because he didn't charge for his discoveries on germs.

But don't worry about contradicting yourself. No one expects you to offer rational arguments.

Plus, John D. Rockefeller's determination to give the world cheap kerosene led to discoveries of dozens of inventions using oil-refining by-products, such as nylon, plastic . . . oh, and gasoline.

Somehow, I think his contribution is a bit more than a "flicker in the wind".

 

[Peach]

If capitalism didn't start until 1820 what was the East India Company doing in the 1600's?

Shhh...the OP thinks it was "introduced" rather than the reality of gradual development.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Lets all have a halleluah moment for all the millionaires.

I will then take a bow.

Capitalism wasn't "introduced"; it was a process. Don't forget the Guilds, UNIONS is the present day term. This thread is funny.

Guilds would be mercantilism, not capitalism.

You're right. The ignorance of you and your butt-buddies is always funny . . . and usually sad at the same time.

 

[francoHFW]

#53-BS- their research was at least partially gov't funded, AND now even more, with MORE results....Pub dupes....

"You tell me who was a totally non-greedy socialism leader? Castro? Stalin? Mao?
Ortega? Pol Pot? Which of them was NOT greedy for POWER?"

Those are commies, ya gd idiot cold war dinosaur dupe. Socialists, since at least WWII, are defined by the world a "ALWAYS democratic"! Communists are NEVER democratic, always BS and in primitive places or made to be by same- NOT HERE. JFC, dupes are brainwashed dolts...

 

[Peach]

Lets all have a halleluah moment for all the millionaires.

I will then take a bow.

Capitalism wasn't "introduced"; it was a process. Don't forget the Guilds, UNIONS is the present day term. This thread is funny.

Guilds would be mercantilism, not capitalism.

You're right. The ignorance of you and your butt-buddies is always funny . . . and usually sad at the same time.

Mercantilism was a form OF capitalism; and The Wealth of Nations was written in 1766. You are out of your league on this topic.