FACT:Before capitalism life expectancy was 24 years,after capitalism 66 years

[Sallow]

Before capitalism from the year 1000 to 1820 the world economy grew 600%
After introduction of capitalism from 1820 to 1998 the world economy grew 5,000%.
In regions like Europe,USA,Canada,Australia and New Zealand 19,000%.

Per capita income growth is not the only indicator of welfare.
Over the long run, there has been a dramatic increase in life expectation.
In the year 1000, the average infant could expect to live about 24 years.
A third would die in the first year of life, hunger and epidemic disease would ravage the survivors.
There was an almost imperceptible rise up to 1820, mainly in Western Europe. Most of the improvement has occurred since then.
Now the average infant can expect to survive 66 years.
The World Economy

So in the interest of honest discussion those of you who hate us "greedy" capitalists that KNOW factually that a rising tide raises all the boats, that know that the fact people are living nearly 3 times longer then before capitalism.. show me your stellar examples where economic freedom and capitalism has been bested!

Prove to me that there is a better way of increasing standards of living and thereby life spans!

Amazingly naive. And ridiculous.

You're aggregating 8 hundred years of world history against a little over a century?

Talk about cherry picking.

 

[healthmyths]

Cherry picking means selecting data from a universe of data and choosing that data that fits the expectation right?

I am trying to find other periods of mankind societies civilizations, etc. where capitalism i.e. pooling of money by an individual or individuals to start a business venture with the objective of earning profits.

When were their periods when capitalism flourished as it has from 1820 to 1998 the period that the experts claim as "capitalism epoch"?
I don't think there were any . Now some idiot mentioned the East India but that was one of the first and not a valid starting point as 1820 when capital formation began to explode.

So tell me at what other time did capitalism as we know it flourish as it did from 1820 and on?

 

[bripat9643]

Well, Germany, Japan, and France, among many other industrial nations have mixed their health care system so that they are hybrid capitalist-socialist system. And they all have much better health stats than we do. Including life span.

They didn't adopt socialized medicine until well into the 20th century. Lifespans in those countries had already reached 66 years before they ever even thought of adopting socialized medicine.

Capitalism is what improves the material well being of the populace. Socialism does nothing but consume the national wealth for the benefit of parasites.

 

[bripat9643]

But there are still over 750,000 American families going bankrupt every year because of medical bills. And we still have an infant mortality rate like a third world nation.

Both claims are lies. Furthermore, no one ever claimed that capitalism would solve all of humanities problems. Socialism, on the other hand, multiplies humanities problems.

Hoorah for the millionaires hardly addresses the issues with the health care in this nation.

Capitalism works. Socialism sucks.

 

[bripat9643]

Louis Pasteur's germ theory of disease is responsible for the dramatic increase in our lifespans and the socialist idiot just gave it away to the world.

John D. Rockefeller gave away millions and millions. Was he a socialist?

 

[Old Rocks]

The idea that capitalism began in 1820 may be the most retarded thing healthmyths has ever said.

And the bar was already set very very high.

Mention Adam Smith, and he would probably get the phone book out.

 

[Old Rocks]

Louis Pasteur's germ theory of disease is responsible for the dramatic increase in our lifespans and the socialist idiot just gave it away to the world.

John D. Rockefeller gave away millions and millions. Was he a socialist?

J. D. Rockefeller was both a cutthroat capitalist and a philanthropist that gave this nation much. However, his influence on mankind is but a flicker in the wind compared to Pasteur.

 

[bripat9643]

Cities and nations finally realizing that poor sanitation and food safety led to the multitude of diseases instituted sanitation projects and eventually vaccination campaigns to halt and in many cases eliminate communicable disease from their lands. Socialism is responsible for our increased lifespans, if it was up to capitalists your kids would still be in danger of polio every summer and you would have smallpox scars all over your face.

Horseshit. Socialism didn't invent the small pox vaccine or the polio vaccine, chloroform, anesthesia, modern dentistry, open heart surgery, antibiotics, pesticides that kill disease spreading insects or thousands of other medical advances.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, Germany, Japan, and France, among many other industrial nations have mixed their health care system so that they are hybrid capitalist-socialist system. And they all have much better health stats than we do. Including life span.

They didn't adopt socialized medicine until well into the 20th century. Lifespans in those countries had already reached 66 years before they ever even thought of adopting socialized medicine.

Capitalism is what improves the material well being of the populace. Socialism does nothing but consume the national wealth for the benefit of parasites.

Pattycake, as usual, your ignorance shines. Look up Bismark and Germany.

 

[bripat9643]

The idea that capitalism began in 1820 may be the most retarded thing healthmyths has ever said.

And the bar was already set very very high.

That's the date most historians give for the beginning of the industrial revolution, dipstick. When do you think capitalism started?

 

[Old Rocks]

Cities and nations finally realizing that poor sanitation and food safety led to the multitude of diseases instituted sanitation projects and eventually vaccination campaigns to halt and in many cases eliminate communicable disease from their lands. Socialism is responsible for our increased lifespans, if it was up to capitalists your kids would still be in danger of polio every summer and you would have smallpox scars all over your face.

Horseshit. Socialism didn't invent the small pox vaccine or the polio vaccine, chloroform, anesthesia, modern dentistry, open heart surgery, antibiotics, pesticides that kill disease spreading insects or thousands of other medical advances.

Dumb fuck, government funded medical research is socialism. Vast immunization programs funded by governments is socialism. Pattycake, you are a fool that spout yap-yap without even considering the facts of history.

 

[Old Rocks]

Cities and nations finally realizing that poor sanitation and food safety led to the multitude of diseases instituted sanitation projects and eventually vaccination campaigns to halt and in many cases eliminate communicable disease from their lands. Socialism is responsible for our increased lifespans, if it was up to capitalists your kids would still be in danger of polio every summer and you would have smallpox scars all over your face.

Who paid for the those sanitation programs?
Taxes.
Who paid taxes. People that earned money.
Certainly selling a few bushels of wheat didn't pay the tax bill to put in the sewage lines!

Where did the "socialist" countries that installed these sewage systems get the money to build them?

Who invented the system and why?
Before PVC pipes were made of cast iron. Who invented the cast iron system.
Who invented "PVC" pipes?
All of these above were done by those EVIL money grubbing capitalists!
Who hired people to build the iron pipes now PVC pipes.
Who paid the taxes stolen by the socialistic governments!

NO progress in the world has EVER been attributed to socialistic practices!

As Milton Friedman on Greed. “Well first of all, tell me: Is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed? You think Russia doesn't run on greed?"

You tell me who was a totally non-greedy socialism leader? Castro? Stalin? Mao?
Ortega? Pol Pot? Which of them was NOT greedy for POWER?

Who paid for the aqueducts and sewers in Rome? They were not matched until the late o9nineteenth century in London.

 

[bripat9643]

Don't derail your own topic. Public health is at best a secondary concern for capitalists. The story of public health as a national concern is almost entirely one of national programs of infrastructure and medicines given away for free, socialism by some definitions.

A scientist who invents a drug or vaccine is not an example of socialism any more than Bill Gates giving away all his money is an example of socialism. Under capitalism people are free to do what they want with their property. Under socialism the state decides.

The polio vaccine alone is one of the greatest stories of serving the greater good in the history of mankind and no one got filthy rich off it but it bought us a generation of healthy children who now bitch about the government being good for nothing.

Government didn't create the polio vaccine, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

If capitalism didn't start until 1820 what was the East India Company doing in the 1600's?

The East India Company was an arm of the British government, turd. That's much closer to socialism than capitalism. Economists refer the economic system in force prior to capitalism as "mercantilism."

Look it up.

 

[bripat9643]

Life expectancy in the US before Social Security, 62, after Social Security, 79.

Life expectancy prior to the widespread availability of television: 62. After television was in every home life expectancy is 79.

 

[Old Rocks]

The idea that capitalism began in 1820 may be the most retarded thing healthmyths has ever said.

And the bar was already set very very high.

That's the date most historians give for the beginning of the industrial revolution, dipstick. When do you think capitalism started?

The first time a stone age hunter lent out his spear or bow and arrow for a portion of the meat gained by the weopons use. You people are so damned stupid. Your ideology has you blind to the reality of history. Capitalism and Socialism are just economic tools. Use the tools in an unskillful manner, and lose. Use them skillfully, and gain.

 

[bripat9643]

Louis Pasteur's germ theory of disease is responsible for the dramatic increase in our lifespans and the socialist idiot just gave it away to the world.

John D. Rockefeller gave away millions and millions. Was he a socialist?

J. D. Rockefeller was both a cutthroat capitalist and a philanthropist that gave this nation much. However, his influence on mankind is but a flicker in the wind compared to Pasteur.

Irrelevant. he gave away his money, but you say he was a capitalist. However, you claim Pasteur was a socialist because he didn't charge for his discoveries on germs.

But don't worry about contradicting yourself. No one expects you to offer rational arguments.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, Germany, Japan, and France, among many other industrial nations have mixed their health care system so that they are hybrid capitalist-socialist system. And they all have much better health stats than we do. Including life span.

They didn't adopt socialized medicine until well into the 20th century. Lifespans in those countries had already reached 66 years before they ever even thought of adopting socialized medicine.

Capitalism is what improves the material well being of the populace. Socialism does nothing but consume the national wealth for the benefit of parasites.

Pattycake, as usual, your ignorance shines. Look up Bismark and Germany.

Bismark created government pensions, not government medical care.

You're a moron, Rocks in the Head.

 

[bripat9643]

Dumb fuck, government funded medical research is socialism.

That's true, but all the major vaccines were invented privately before the era of massive government programs.

Vast immunization programs funded by governments is socialism. Pattycake, you are a fool that spout yap-yap without even considering the facts of history.

That depends on whether the government pays for the vaccines. Forcing people to get vaccinated is certainly an example of socialism. Force is what socialism is all about.

 

[Old Rocks]

They didn't adopt socialized medicine until well into the 20th century. Lifespans in those countries had already reached 66 years before they ever even thought of adopting socialized medicine.

Capitalism is what improves the material well being of the populace. Socialism does nothing but consume the national wealth for the benefit of parasites.

Pattycake, as usual, your ignorance shines. Look up Bismark and Germany.

Bismark created government pensions, not government medical care.

You're a moron, Rocks in the Head.

LOL. Pattycake, as usual, you are once again demostrating your level of knowledge.

Health Care Systems - Four Basic Models | Physicians for a National Health Program

The Bismarck Model

Named for the Prussian Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, who invented the welfare state as part of the unification of Germany in the 19th century. Despite its European heritage, this system of providing health care would look fairly familiar to Americans. It uses an insurance system — the insurers are called “sickness funds” — usually financed jointly by employers and employees through payroll deduction.

Unlike the U.S. insurance industry, though, Bismarck-type health insurance plans have to cover everybody, and they don’t make a profit. Doctors and hospitals tend to be private in Bismarck countries; Japan has more private hospitals than the U.S. Although this is a multi-payer model — Germany has about 240 different funds — tight regulation gives government much of the cost-control clout that the single-payer Beveridge Model provides.

The Bismarck model is found in Germany, of course, and France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Japan, Switzerland, and, to a degree, in Latin America.