FACT:Before capitalism life expectancy was 24 years,after capitalism 66 years

On a personal side note, I took a motel room tonight to get away from my kids and all the noise so that I could work on my novel, but instead of having peace and quiet without them running in and out of the room every five seconds, I've got them calling me every five seconds to mediate their arguments. So I apologize in advance for any typos or messed-up sentences that might appear; my concentration is STILL shot in the ass over here.
 
Cecillie:

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I know exactly what the fuck I am talking about. Who gives a shit that he was getting paid? Are you asserting that a tenet of socialism is not paying people?

According to you the research he was doing was at the behest of the French government as part of their efforts to revive a failing industry. It's a hoot watching you try to spin that as capitalism at work.

Well, either you have no clue what you're talking about, or your communication skills are totally fucked, such that you're unable to demonstrate to anyone else that you know what you're talking about.

THE tenet of socialism is ownership of production and distribution by the government. Simply being asked to take on a job by a member of government, however high-ranking, is not socialism (although it does indicate a level of government meddling reminiscent of President Obama, which is probably why people keep thinking he wants to be Emperor).

There's nothing to "spin" about it. There's an enormous difference between Napoleon III going to the premiere chemist in the country and saying, "Hey, our leading industry is having a science problem. Would you consider taking on the task of helping them find an answer?" and then the industry itself paying for the work, and - for example - President Obama trying to simply buy an industry that's failing through bad business practices with taxpayer money.

One is basic capitalistic commerce with a bit of heavy-handed meddling (and no one ever said capitalistic societies should be anarchic in government); the other is socialism.

Funny how you keep bombastically claiming you know what you're talking about, and then going on to manifestly demonstrate that you really, really don't.

According to you Pasteurization was developed thanks to the French government spending tax payer money to save a failing industry.

It's hilarious that you are claiming that's capitalism at work.

Where did I EVER say the French government spent any money? I've stated several times that it was the WINE INDUSTRY that paid for the work.

This would work better if you paid attention to MY words, rather than those of the voices in your head.
 
Well, now I know the liberal definition of "spin": A liberal applying your explanation of your REAL words to the words he THOUGHT you said because he doesn't understand English.

This explains why the definition of "futile" is "trying to explain reality to a liberal".
 
Well, either you have no clue what you're talking about, or your communication skills are totally fucked, such that you're unable to demonstrate to anyone else that you know what you're talking about.

THE tenet of socialism is ownership of production and distribution by the government. Simply being asked to take on a job by a member of government, however high-ranking, is not socialism (although it does indicate a level of government meddling reminiscent of President Obama, which is probably why people keep thinking he wants to be Emperor).

There's nothing to "spin" about it. There's an enormous difference between Napoleon III going to the premiere chemist in the country and saying, "Hey, our leading industry is having a science problem. Would you consider taking on the task of helping them find an answer?" and then the industry itself paying for the work, and - for example - President Obama trying to simply buy an industry that's failing through bad business practices with taxpayer money.

One is basic capitalistic commerce with a bit of heavy-handed meddling (and no one ever said capitalistic societies should be anarchic in government); the other is socialism.

Funny how you keep bombastically claiming you know what you're talking about, and then going on to manifestly demonstrate that you really, really don't.

According to you Pasteurization was developed thanks to the French government spending tax payer money to save a failing industry.

It's hilarious that you are claiming that's capitalism at work.

Where did I EVER say the French government spent any money? I've stated several times that it was the WINE INDUSTRY that paid for the work.

This would work better if you paid attention to MY words, rather than those of the voices in your head.

Looks to me like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You are trying to claim that both the wine industry and the French government put him up to it.

Either the government had a hand in it or it didn't. Make up your mind.
 
The government owning some industries where profit should not be the guiding light, ie necessities- THAT"S SOCIALISM!!. COMMUNISM is when the government owns everything, (And PAYS you LOL). That's why it's NEVER democratic, and always violently imposed, AND FINISHED!

Pub dupes/cold war dinosaurs/ugly 'Mericans! Jeebus!
 
If capitalism didn't start until 1820 what was the East India Company doing in the 1600's?

Shhh...the OP thinks it was "introduced" rather than the reality of gradual development. :lol:

How foolish of them. Capitalism has existed in one for or Another since the Dawn of Time.

Period.

The point was NOT when capitalism started!
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Capitalism really took off in 1820 and to 1998 the point of my thread was the world economies grew 19,000% compared to 1000 to 1820 when economies grew 600%!

The World Economy

And whether it is capitalism or socialism from 1820 to 1998 life spans increase from 24 years to 66 years! Coincidence???
 
I finally get it.

All you have to do is pretend that a government spending tax payer money to help save a failing industry is pure capitalism and it all makes sense.

In a Capitalist system the government does not intervene in the economy. Only fascist and socialist countries do that.

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Let's see, what countries qualify under those rules. Somalia?:lol:


Mr Fucktard , Sir:


Well, we will soon be like Somalia, but Somalia was never a Capitalist Country

Somalia ( /soʊˈmɑːliə/ soh-mah-lee-ə; Somali: Soomaaliya; Arabic: الصومال* aṣ-Ṣūmāl), officially the Somali Republic (Somali: Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliya, Arabic: جمهورية الصومال* Jumhūriyyat aṣ-Ṣūmāl) and formerly known as the Somali Democratic Republic under Socialist rule

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Social security made people live longer, obviously. And EVERYONE gets SS. WTF are you talking about, dupe? Why have it?- Because things go wrong, especially with lying cheating thieving Pubs crashing the economy all the time...

God it's exhausting educating arrogant/ignorant Pub dupes...

No, actually Social Security vastly decreased the wealth of this country and thereby lowered the average lifespan. Wealth = health. It's as simple as that.
 
Social security made people live longer, obviously. And EVERYONE gets SS. WTF are you talking about, dupe? Why have it?- Because things go wrong, especially with lying cheating thieving Pubs crashing the economy all the time...

God it's exhausting educating arrogant/ignorant Pub dupes...

No, actually Social Security vastly decreased the wealth of this country and thereby lowered the average lifespan. Wealth = health. It's as simple as that.

Yeah- it was much better with no FDA, SS, EPA- with poorhouses and potters fields. Life expectancy and wealth have gone down since the 30's...LOL!

Seriously, read "The Good Old Days- They were TERRIBLE!"- You seem to have the Ronny Rayguns/Hollywood/dementia idea of the USA in the past...
 
Social security made people live longer, obviously. And EVERYONE gets SS. WTF are you talking about, dupe? Why have it?- Because things go wrong, especially with lying cheating thieving Pubs crashing the economy all the time...

God it's exhausting educating arrogant/ignorant Pub dupes...

No, actually Social Security vastly decreased the wealth of this country and thereby lowered the average lifespan. Wealth = health. It's as simple as that.

You say a lot of really dumb shit.
 
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Yeah- it was much better with no FDA, SS, EPA- with poorhouses and potters fields. Life expectancy and wealth have gone down since the 30's...LOL!

Seriously, read "The Good Old Days- They were TERRIBLE!"- You seem to have the Ronny Rayguns/Hollywood/dementia idea of the USA in the past...

Yeah man, enjoy it while you can

National debt


15.7 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTrillion

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Before capitalism from the year 1000 to 1820 the world economy grew 600%
After introduction of capitalism from 1820 to 1998 the world economy grew 5,000%.
In regions like Europe,USA,Canada,Australia and New Zealand 19,000%.

Per capita income growth is not the only indicator of welfare.
Over the long run, there has been a dramatic increase in life expectation.
In the year 1000, the average infant could expect to live about 24 years.
A third would die in the first year of life, hunger and epidemic disease would ravage the survivors.
There was an almost imperceptible rise up to 1820, mainly in Western Europe. Most of the improvement has occurred since then.
Now the average infant can expect to survive 66 years.
The World Economy

So in the interest of honest discussion those of you who hate us "greedy" capitalists that KNOW factually that a rising tide raises all the boats, that know that the fact people are living nearly 3 times longer then before capitalism.. show me your stellar examples where economic freedom and capitalism has been bested!

Prove to me that there is a better way of increasing standards of living and thereby life spans!
Correlation is not cause and effect.
 
Social security made people live longer, obviously. And EVERYONE gets SS. WTF are you talking about, dupe? Why have it?- Because things go wrong, especially with lying cheating thieving Pubs crashing the economy all the time...

God it's exhausting educating arrogant/ignorant Pub dupes...

No, actually Social Security vastly decreased the wealth of this country and thereby lowered the average lifespan. Wealth = health. It's as simple as that.

This explains why Qatar, the country with the highest GDP per capita is 53rd in life expectancy and why only two of the countries in the top ten per capita GDP are in the top ten for life expectancy.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Yeah- it was much better with no FDA, SS, EPA- with poorhouses and potters fields. Life expectancy and wealth have gone down since the 30's...LOL!

Seriously, read "The Good Old Days- They were TERRIBLE!"- You seem to have the Ronny Rayguns/Hollywood/dementia idea of the USA in the past...

Yeah man, enjoy it while you can

National debt


15.7 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTrillion

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90% of debt due to Pub policy- mainly either taxes too low (on the rich) Reaganism, or Obama averting the second Pub World Depression, assisting the UE...
 

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