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So because you suck at models they do to?In other words, you entire objection is based on your absurd political ideology and has nothing at all to do with science. Thank you for making that clear.And I'll put my disbelief that anyone what really has a master's ma chemical engineering can be a climate denier up against anything you sayI'll put my Masters Degree in Chemical Engineering up against whatever basket weaving degree you have any day of the week.
It's not disbelief that humans can affect climate, it's distrust of those proposing socialistic governmental control as the only solution, and it's distrust over the extent of the changes and the dogmatic belief structure of the AGW people.
AGW isn't science, it's a religion.
And I noticed you didn't respond with your "cuck studies" degree in rebuttal.
My objection stems from my own experience with models and statistical studies with regards to water and wastewater treatment. Add the exponential increases in complexity with regards to our atmosphere, and the typical AGW nut's devotion to socialistic remedies to the situation call it a healthy skepticism.
You said "no" but then agreed with me.So because you suck at models they do to?In other words, you entire objection is based on your absurd political ideology and has nothing at all to do with science. Thank you for making that clear.And I'll put my disbelief that anyone what really has a master's ma chemical engineering can be a climate denier up against anything you say
It's not disbelief that humans can affect climate, it's distrust of those proposing socialistic governmental control as the only solution, and it's distrust over the extent of the changes and the dogmatic belief structure of the AGW people.
AGW isn't science, it's a religion.
And I noticed you didn't respond with your "cuck studies" degree in rebuttal.
My objection stems from my own experience with models and statistical studies with regards to water and wastewater treatment. Add the exponential increases in complexity with regards to our atmosphere, and the typical AGW nut's devotion to socialistic remedies to the situation call it a healthy skepticism.
No, because I know models all follow the GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) concept I distrust those that cannot be directly compared to actual results.
When we model a wastewater process, we can then spend months with a pilot scale reactor to validate the assumptions, the input data, and the other parameters.
One cannot pilot scale the Earth's atmosphere.
You said "no" but then agreed with me.So because you suck at models they do to?In other words, you entire objection is based on your absurd political ideology and has nothing at all to do with science. Thank you for making that clear.It's not disbelief that humans can affect climate, it's distrust of those proposing socialistic governmental control as the only solution, and it's distrust over the extent of the changes and the dogmatic belief structure of the AGW people.
AGW isn't science, it's a religion.
And I noticed you didn't respond with your "cuck studies" degree in rebuttal.
My objection stems from my own experience with models and statistical studies with regards to water and wastewater treatment. Add the exponential increases in complexity with regards to our atmosphere, and the typical AGW nut's devotion to socialistic remedies to the situation call it a healthy skepticism.
No, because I know models all follow the GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) concept I distrust those that cannot be directly compared to actual results.
When we model a wastewater process, we can then spend months with a pilot scale reactor to validate the assumptions, the input data, and the other parameters.
One cannot pilot scale the Earth's atmosphere.
There are now events that can definitely be attributed to man's influence on the climate.
So it's warm weather where you are, that proves global warm and don't pay attention to the fact that it's snowing in April in other parts of the country. Thanks for being an example of how the scam artists work.What do you mean, cold? After all, it was 70 here yesterday. LOLLol, co2 makes the world warmer than it would be without it. Man is adding huge amounts of co2 and other green house gasses to the atmosphere. Poof! Global warming!
Then tell us dupe, why is it so fucking cold, huh?why is it still snowing in many parts of the country?
No, it's an example of the thought processes of the ignorant. Show a kindergardener two water glasses each holding the same amount of water but one short and fat and one tall and thin. The child will consistently tell you that the taller glass holds more water. I am reminded of this every time I hear these classic denier arguments, every one of which is either a complete failure of simple logic or of basic science or of the evidence in hand. The the world as a whole is getting warmer does not prevent one region from being colder than another or from the annual cycle of those temperatures retaining some variability.
THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD AS A WHOLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND THAT INCREASE IS ACCELERATING.
So, fuck your snow.
Learn to read asshole. It was Old Rocks that was doing that, not me. The scam artists like you say "It's weather not climate" only when it's cold. When it's hot somewhere suddenly weather becomes climate as long as it supports the scam. No one is listening anymore.
There are now events that can definitely be attributed to man's influence on the climate.
Great, the next time you need major surgery, just hand the scalpel to your neighborhood auto mechanic.
So it's warm weather where you are, that proves global warm and don't pay attention to the fact that it's snowing in April in other parts of the country. Thanks for being an example of how the scam artists work.What do you mean, cold? After all, it was 70 here yesterday. LOLThen tell us dupe, why is it so fucking cold, huh?why is it still snowing in many parts of the country?
No, it's an example of the thought processes of the ignorant. Show a kindergardener two water glasses each holding the same amount of water but one short and fat and one tall and thin. The child will consistently tell you that the taller glass holds more water. I am reminded of this every time I hear these classic denier arguments, every one of which is either a complete failure of simple logic or of basic science or of the evidence in hand. The the world as a whole is getting warmer does not prevent one region from being colder than another or from the annual cycle of those temperatures retaining some variability.
THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD AS A WHOLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND THAT INCREASE IS ACCELERATING.
So, fuck your snow.
Learn to read asshole. It was Old Rocks that was doing that, not me. The scam artists like you say "It's weather not climate" only when it's cold. When it's hot somewhere suddenly weather becomes climate as long as it supports the scam. No one is listening anymore.
Your perceptions are in error. It is FAR more common to hear deniers note cold weather than mainstream science buffs noting the warm. We could do a survey of posts on this board if you'd like.
I bet in other forums you've made the accusation that modern liberals are nazis.
There are now events that can definitely be attributed to man's influence on the climate.
How do they explain the great flood of 1862 then? That storm system (atmospheric river) completely flooded the Central Valley of California. ALL OF IT! None of these "extreme weather events" hold a candle to that one storm. In other words, with cherry picked stories i can "prove" anything.
So it's warm weather where you are, that proves global warm and don't pay attention to the fact that it's snowing in April in other parts of the country. Thanks for being an example of how the scam artists work.What do you mean, cold? After all, it was 70 here yesterday. LOL
No, it's an example of the thought processes of the ignorant. Show a kindergardener two water glasses each holding the same amount of water but one short and fat and one tall and thin. The child will consistently tell you that the taller glass holds more water. I am reminded of this every time I hear these classic denier arguments, every one of which is either a complete failure of simple logic or of basic science or of the evidence in hand. The the world as a whole is getting warmer does not prevent one region from being colder than another or from the annual cycle of those temperatures retaining some variability.
THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD AS A WHOLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND THAT INCREASE IS ACCELERATING.
So, fuck your snow.
Learn to read asshole. It was Old Rocks that was doing that, not me. The scam artists like you say "It's weather not climate" only when it's cold. When it's hot somewhere suddenly weather becomes climate as long as it supports the scam. No one is listening anymore.
Your perceptions are in error. It is FAR more common to hear deniers note cold weather than mainstream science buffs noting the warm. We could do a survey of posts on this board if you'd like.
I bet in other forums you've made the accusation that modern liberals are nazis.
Yep....but that whole weather isn't climate narrative is one of the most ineffective pr campaigns in the history of the world. In 10 years it has not resonated with the public at all......and c'mon now....the research shows clearly that the local weather conditions create people's perception of the climate. You may not like that but it is what it is. Sorry.
So it's warm weather where you are, that proves global warm and don't pay attention to the fact that it's snowing in April in other parts of the country. Thanks for being an example of how the scam artists work.
No, it's an example of the thought processes of the ignorant. Show a kindergardener two water glasses each holding the same amount of water but one short and fat and one tall and thin. The child will consistently tell you that the taller glass holds more water. I am reminded of this every time I hear these classic denier arguments, every one of which is either a complete failure of simple logic or of basic science or of the evidence in hand. The the world as a whole is getting warmer does not prevent one region from being colder than another or from the annual cycle of those temperatures retaining some variability.
THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD AS A WHOLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND THAT INCREASE IS ACCELERATING.
So, fuck your snow.
Learn to read asshole. It was Old Rocks that was doing that, not me. The scam artists like you say "It's weather not climate" only when it's cold. When it's hot somewhere suddenly weather becomes climate as long as it supports the scam. No one is listening anymore.
Your perceptions are in error. It is FAR more common to hear deniers note cold weather than mainstream science buffs noting the warm. We could do a survey of posts on this board if you'd like.
I bet in other forums you've made the accusation that modern liberals are nazis.
Yep....but that whole weather isn't climate narrative is one of the most ineffective pr campaigns in the history of the world. In 10 years it has not resonated with the public at all......and c'mon now....the research shows clearly that the local weather conditions create people's perception of the climate. You may not like that but it is what it is. Sorry.
Exactly, just like they are still.mad about the Obama phone that became the generic name for a social program started under Reagan.
The local temp on any given day, either warm or cold, is not the climate, it's the weather. Global average temp over years/decades is a climate statistic.So it's warm weather where you are, that proves global warm and don't pay attention to the fact that it's snowing in April in other parts of the country. Thanks for being an example of how the scam artists work.What do you mean, cold? After all, it was 70 here yesterday. LOLThen tell us dupe, why is it so fucking cold, huh?why is it still snowing in many parts of the country?
No, it's an example of the thought processes of the ignorant. Show a kindergardener two water glasses each holding the same amount of water but one short and fat and one tall and thin. The child will consistently tell you that the taller glass holds more water. I am reminded of this every time I hear these classic denier arguments, every one of which is either a complete failure of simple logic or of basic science or of the evidence in hand. The the world as a whole is getting warmer does not prevent one region from being colder than another or from the annual cycle of those temperatures retaining some variability.
THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD AS A WHOLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND THAT INCREASE IS ACCELERATING.
So, fuck your snow.
Learn to read asshole. It was Old Rocks that was doing that, not me. The scam artists like you say "It's weather not climate" only when it's cold. When it's hot somewhere suddenly weather becomes climate as long as it supports the scam. No one is listening anymore.
Don't be stupider than you have to be.
So it's warm weather where you are, that proves global warm and don't pay attention to the fact that it's snowing in April in other parts of the country. Thanks for being an example of how the scam artists work.What do you mean, cold? After all, it was 70 here yesterday. LOLThen tell us dupe, why is it so fucking cold, huh?why is it still snowing in many parts of the country?
No, it's an example of the thought processes of the ignorant. Show a kindergardener two water glasses each holding the same amount of water but one short and fat and one tall and thin. The child will consistently tell you that the taller glass holds more water. I am reminded of this every time I hear these classic denier arguments, every one of which is either a complete failure of simple logic or of basic science or of the evidence in hand. The the world as a whole is getting warmer does not prevent one region from being colder than another or from the annual cycle of those temperatures retaining some variability.
THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD AS A WHOLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND THAT INCREASE IS ACCELERATING.
So, fuck your snow.
Learn to read asshole. It was Old Rocks that was doing that, not me. The scam artists like you say "It's weather not climate" only when it's cold. When it's hot somewhere suddenly weather becomes climate as long as it supports the scam. No one is listening anymore.
Your perceptions are in error. It is FAR more common to hear deniers note cold weather than mainstream science buffs noting the warm. We could do a survey of posts on this board if you'd like.
I bet in other forums you've made the accusation that modern liberals are nazis.
One day's or even one month's weather is not climate warm or cold. One location being colder or warmer does not equal climate change. Decades long trends and regional/global temps do.The local temp on any given day, either warm or cold, is not the climate, it's the weather. Global average temp over years/decades is a climate statistic.So it's warm weather where you are, that proves global warm and don't pay attention to the fact that it's snowing in April in other parts of the country. Thanks for being an example of how the scam artists work.What do you mean, cold? After all, it was 70 here yesterday. LOL
No, it's an example of the thought processes of the ignorant. Show a kindergardener two water glasses each holding the same amount of water but one short and fat and one tall and thin. The child will consistently tell you that the taller glass holds more water. I am reminded of this every time I hear these classic denier arguments, every one of which is either a complete failure of simple logic or of basic science or of the evidence in hand. The the world as a whole is getting warmer does not prevent one region from being colder than another or from the annual cycle of those temperatures retaining some variability.
THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD AS A WHOLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND THAT INCREASE IS ACCELERATING.
So, fuck your snow.
Learn to read asshole. It was Old Rocks that was doing that, not me. The scam artists like you say "It's weather not climate" only when it's cold. When it's hot somewhere suddenly weather becomes climate as long as it supports the scam. No one is listening anymore.
Don't be stupider than you have to be.
Apparently you are not only stupid, but illiterate. What I’m saying is that you AGW dupes claim that weather is not climate UNLESS the weather supports your belief in global warming then its climate. You only apply that rule to us.
Hopefully you can read and understand that.
One day's or even one month's weather is not climate warm or cold. One location being colder or warmer does not equal climate change. Decades long trends and regional/global temps do.The local temp on any given day, either warm or cold, is not the climate, it's the weather. Global average temp over years/decades is a climate statistic.So it's warm weather where you are, that proves global warm and don't pay attention to the fact that it's snowing in April in other parts of the country. Thanks for being an example of how the scam artists work.
No, it's an example of the thought processes of the ignorant. Show a kindergardener two water glasses each holding the same amount of water but one short and fat and one tall and thin. The child will consistently tell you that the taller glass holds more water. I am reminded of this every time I hear these classic denier arguments, every one of which is either a complete failure of simple logic or of basic science or of the evidence in hand. The the world as a whole is getting warmer does not prevent one region from being colder than another or from the annual cycle of those temperatures retaining some variability.
THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WORLD AS A WHOLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND THAT INCREASE IS ACCELERATING.
So, fuck your snow.
Learn to read asshole. It was Old Rocks that was doing that, not me. The scam artists like you say "It's weather not climate" only when it's cold. When it's hot somewhere suddenly weather becomes climate as long as it supports the scam. No one is listening anymore.
Don't be stupider than you have to be.
Apparently you are not only stupid, but illiterate. What I’m saying is that you AGW dupes claim that weather is not climate UNLESS the weather supports your belief in global warming then its climate. You only apply that rule to us.
Hopefully you can read and understand that.
It's not that hard man.
The Oregon Petition? That lying piece of nonsense from the cult down in the metropolis of Cave Junction, Oregon. LOLWhen all the educated, degreed people agree on a conclusion it does.Now dumb fucks, these are real scientists, not the obese junkies on the AM radio that you worship.
Education and degrees do not confer the assumption of correctness.
Another stupid statement, since there are many educated people who publish papers that doesn't support the AGW narrative.
The Oregon Petition alone destroys your idiotic claim.
The “Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine”
The “Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine”
(It’s actually Arthur Robinson’s farm in very rural Oregon)
The “Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine” (OISM) advertises itself as “a non-profit research institute”. Global Warming Deniers frequently promote the “Oregon Petition” which is one of the OISM’s products. In reality, the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine is a farm in very rural Oregon some 6 linear miles southeast of Cave Junction, Oregon. (Population ~1,425 http://www.city-data.com/city/Cave-Junction-Oregon.html )
Its founder/owner, Arthur B Robinson, promotes the “Robinson Curriculum” - a “Jesus-Plus-Nothing-Else” home-school system.
RobinsonUsers4Christ : Discipling Our Children for God's Glory
(Group appears to have become defunct in the last few years.).
Isn’t it amazing how the Internet can be used to transform a farm into the “Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine”? (There may have been a tax advantage in registering the farm as “a non-profit research institute”.)
“The prestigious sounding institution with which they were affiliated—the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine—was elsewhere revealed to be a one-room operation located on a farm on a rural road in the forested foothills of the Siskiyou Mountains. It consisted only of Arthur B. Robinson, a chemist with a Ph.D. in chemistry from the California Institute of Technology, and his 21-year-old son, who has no advanced degree (Hill 1998).”
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/resource-1892-2005.50.pdf
The following pictures show where the farm (Oops: the “Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine”) is located.
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - SourceWatch
Case Study: The Oregon Petition
The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists. In addition to the petition, the mailing included what appeared to be a reprint of a scientific paper. Authored by OISM's Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Willie Soon, and Zachary W. Robinson, the paper was titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" and was printed in the same typeface and format as the official Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Also included was a reprint of a December 1997, Wall Street Journal editorial, "Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth", by Arthur and Zachary Robinson. A cover note signed "Frederick Seitz/Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A./President Emeritus, Rockefeller University", may have given some persons the impression that Robinson's paper was an official publication of the academy's peer-reviewed journal. The blatant editorializing in the pseudopaper, however, was uncharacteristic of scientific papers.
Robinson's paper claimed to show that pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere is actually a good thing. "As atmospheric CO2 increases," it stated, "plant growth rates increase. Also, leaves lose less water as CO2 increases, so that plants are able to grow under drier conditions. Animal life, which depends upon plant life for food, increases proportionally." As a result, Robinson concluded, industrial activities can be counted on to encourage greater species biodiversity and a greener planet:
As coal, oil, and natural gas are used to feed and lift from poverty vast numbers of people across the globe, more CO2 will be released into the atmosphere. This will help to maintain and improve the health, longevity, prosperity, and productivity of all people.
Human activities are believed to be responsible for the rise in CO2 level of the atmosphere. Mankind is moving the carbon in coal, oil, and natural gas from below ground to the atmosphere and surface, where it is available for conversion into living things. We are living in an increasingly lush environment of plants and animals as a result of the CO2 increase. Our children will enjoy an Earth with far more plant and animal life as [sic] that with which we now are blessed. This is a wonderful and unexpected gift from the Industrial Revolution.
In reality, neither Robinson's paper nor OISM's petition drive had anything to do with the National Academy of Sciences, which first heard about the petition when its members began calling to ask if the NAS had taken a stand against the Kyoto treaty. Robinson was not even a climate scientist. He was a biochemist with no published research in the field of climatology, and his paper had never been subjected to peer review by anyone with training in the field. In fact, the paper had never been accepted for publication anywhere, let alone in the NAS Proceedings. It was self-published by Robinson, who did the typesetting himself on his own computer. (It was subsequently published as a "review" in Climate Research, which contributed to an editorial scandal at that publication.)
None of the coauthors of "Environmental Effects of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" had any more standing than Robinson himself as a climate change researcher. They included Robinson's 22-year-old son, Zachary, along with astrophysicists Sallie L. Baliunas and Willie Soon. Both Baliunas and Soon worked with Frederick Seitz at the George C. Marshall Institute, a Washington, D.C., think tank where Seitz served as executive director. Funded by a number of right-wing foundations, including Scaife and Bradley, the George C. Marshall Institute does not conduct any original research. It is a conservative think tank that was initially founded during the years of the Reagan administration to advocate funding for Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative--the "Star Wars" weapons program. Today, the Marshall Institute is still a big fan of high-tech weapons. In 1999, its website gave prominent placement to an essay by Col. Simon P. Worden titled "Why We Need the Air-Borne Laser," along with an essay titled "Missile Defense for Populations--What Does It Take? Why Are We Not Doing It?" Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, however, the Marshall Institute has adapted to the times by devoting much of its firepower to the war against environmentalism, and in particular against the "scaremongers" who raise warnings about global warming.
"The mailing is clearly designed to be deceptive by giving people the impression that the article, which is full of half-truths, is a reprint and has passed peer review," complained Raymond Pierrehumbert, a meteorlogist at the University of Chicago. NAS foreign secretary F. Sherwood Rowland, an atmospheric chemist, said researchers "are wondering if someone is trying to hoodwink them." NAS council member Ralph J. Cicerone, dean of the School of Physical Sciences at the University of California at Irvine, was particularly offended that Seitz described himself in the cover letter as a "past president" of the NAS. Although Seitz had indeed held that title in the 1960s, Cicerone hoped that scientists who received the petition mailing would not be misled into believing that he "still has a role in governing the organization."
So, what we have here is clearly a fraud. And many of the names on that 'petition' clearly have no scientific standing.
There are now events that can definitely be attributed to man's influence on the climate.
How do they explain the great flood of 1862 then? That storm system (atmospheric river) completely flooded the Central Valley of California. ALL OF IT! None of these "extreme weather events" hold a candle to that one storm. In other words, with cherry picked stories i can "prove" anything.
My God....the alarmist contingent.... getting their clocks cleaned on substance in this thread.
Ever tune in a baseball game and it's the 7th inning and the score is 16 - 2..... and fans of the losing team are still in the ballpark waiting for the big comeback. All 17 of them. That's what you have with these warmists....social invalids that never did quite learn how to connect the dots.
My God....the alarmist contingent.... getting their clocks cleaned on substance in this thread.
Ever tune in a baseball game and it's the 7th inning and the score is 16 - 2..... and fans of the losing team are still in the ballpark waiting for the big comeback. All 17 of them. That's what you have with these warmists....social invalids that never did quite learn how to connect the dots.
There were a lot of other stuff in Old Rocks long comment I could have pointed out as being misleading pap, but what I posted was enough to point out that the many degreed scientists VOLUNTARILY filling out the petition form did it on their own and without coercion.
