energy

[lehr]

the whole world drills for oil ---- amerika builds useless 10th. century wind mills

 

[Wiseacre]

And we spend billions on high speed rail that will cost way more than advertised and will never ever be a paying proposition. And of course the solar panels that are made somewhere else. But God forbid we should drill more oil wells, or allow existing wells to reopen.

 

[Mr. H.]

 

[Old Rocks]

And we spend billions on high speed rail that will cost way more than advertised and will never ever be a paying proposition.

Well, I guess we will just have to have some Europeans show us how they do it.

And of course the solar panels that are made somewhere else.

Really?

Largest Solar Cell Facility in Oregon | Solar Power - PV Panels

In October 2008, the largest solar cell facility in North America was opened in Hillsboro, Oregon. SolarWorld USA now has a plant that will generate 500 megawatts of energy per year by 2011.

More than $500 million have been invested to allow for cell manufacturing equipment and crystal growing. These efforts can be attributed in large part to Governor Ted Kulongoski, the Oregon Department of Energy and the city of Hillsboro
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But God forbid we should drill more oil wells, or allow existing wells to reopen.

God forbid someone should tell you the sad truth. We have 3% of the world's reserves of petroleum, and use 24% of the world's production of oil. Now how do you propose to drill out of that fact?

 

[Old Rocks]

the whole world drills for oil ---- amerika builds useless 10th. century wind mills

Only 40 gw of wind power available. And more every month. Someone seems to like them.

Wind Powering America: U.S. Installed Wind Capacity and Wind Project Locations

 

[whitehall]

Here's a thought, instead of improving on 10th century technology why not try exploiting the oil reserves under our control in the Gulf of Mexico instead of selling them to Russia and Venezuela? Why not create jobs and open a tiny portion of ANWAR to American companies instead of supporting (Soros invested) Brazil oil? Why in the world would an American president tell a foreign oil producer "we want to be your best costomer" while referring to the US Chamber of Commerce as a sinsiter tool of the GOP? I'll answer that. The "greenie" movement is a conglomerate of the burned out hippies, the modern idealistic ignorant yuppies and the political movement dedicated to the destruction of the United States as we know it. Democrats have prevented the US from being independent of foreign oil for decades. The radicals, the ignorant and the hypocrites complain that America is somehow "unfair" in it's energy consumption while they enjoy the benefits of the greatest Country in the world. There is no substitute for fossil fuel and the lefties who tell you that the US needs to be brought down to the level of a 3rd world country are fools and traitors.

 

[lehr]

the world will never run out of oil - as long as we have a molten core - the earth makes oil - oil is made by extreme pressure and extreme heat on plant life - it taked billions of years - but every day someplace under the earth it has reached a billion years - there is no such thing as "peak oil " - communist demokrats know oil makes amerika strong,,,that is why they refuse to drill for it

" catastrophe " by chris ruddy

" klinton gave 500,000 metric tons of oil to n. korea every year " p. 71 - he refused to drill for oil in alaska because he said it would take 10 yrs. to get to the lower 48 anyway = communist demokrats will use any excuse to destroy our economy - they want to re-build amerika arounf communism

 

[Wiseacre]

And we spend billions on high speed rail that will cost way more than advertised and will never ever be a paying proposition.

Well, I guess we will just have to have some Europeans show us how they do it.

And of course the solar panels that are made somewhere else.

Really?

Largest Solar Cell Facility in Oregon | Solar Power - PV Panels

In October 2008, the largest solar cell facility in North America was opened in Hillsboro, Oregon. SolarWorld USA now has a plant that will generate 500 megawatts of energy per year by 2011.

More than $500 million have been invested to allow for cell manufacturing equipment and crystal growing. These efforts can be attributed in large part to Governor Ted Kulongoski, the Oregon Department of Energy and the city of Hillsboro
...........................................................................

But God forbid we should drill more oil wells, or allow existing wells to reopen.

God forbid someone should tell you the sad truth. We have 3% of the world's reserves of petroleum, and use 24% of the world's production of oil. Now how do you propose to drill out of that fact?

First of all, about those high speed rail systems:

“High-speed rail is good for society and it’s good for the environment, but it’s not a profitable business,” said Mr. Barrón of the International Union of Railways. He reckons that only two routes in the world — between Tokyo and Osaka, and between Paris and Lyon, France — have broken even.
Spain’s High-Speed Rail Offers Guideposts for U.S. - NYTimes.com

These things are money hogs, they take billions to run and maintain, the building costs are staggering, and they require a hell of a lot of power. Stupid idea for us, I think we'd have to install new tracks for it cuz what we got now won't support high speeds.

Check this out:

Sadly for rail advocates, these claims are largely bogus, says Cox, who believes that rail promoters ignore accounting principles:
In some countries, government payments that would be called subsidies in the United States are called commercial revenues.
In others, high speed rail operators operate over tracks owned by government infrastructure companies, which are likewise subsidized in some cases.
Often, previous write-offs are not a part of the profit equation.
The lack of transparency in accounting practices makes it difficult to make a judgment as to the level of profitability.
Taiwan Today recently characterized the high-speed rail system as "loss-plagued" and noted it was in the process of seeking to restructure its debt.
A principal problem was that less than 90,000 of the 275,000 daily riders projected to use the system bothered to buy tickets.
The stations aren't full of turnstile-hopping commuters; the Taiwanese were either staying at home or using other forms of transportation.
Projecting more passengers than show up is not unusual in high-speed rail, notes Cox:
The Eurostar service from Paris to London attracts less than one-half of the ridership forecast five years ago and has required a government financial bailout.
The new high-speed rail system in Korea is carrying little more than one-half the passengers originally projected.

HIGH SPEED RAIL IS AN UNPROFITABLE TRAIN WRECK


BTW, did you know that solar power company (SolarWorld) in Oregon you're so proud of? You know that company is based in Germany, right?


I propose to increase our oil production and increase our oil shale and natural gas production. I'm okay with renewable sources of energy, but it's gotta be economically feasible, we can't be subsidizing everything, and we can't afford to be paying higher prices to heat or cool our homes. And I think nuclear power should still be on the table, if we can have nuclear powered subs why can't we have nuclear powered cities and towns? The price has gotta be right though, the big spending days are about over. One way or another.

 

[whitehall]

Windmills are a joke. They had to rig a Cape Cod windmill to run only at a speed that didn't work because the vibration and the hummmmm was driving people crazy. Even at peak efficiency and brand new, windmills are a joke. Solar panels? It would take a football field of solar panels to keep a typical family comfortable. Our socialist president understands the politics behind "alternate" energy. That's why he hired a communist former leader of an arson and looting rampage to be on his "green jobs" panel. Bye the way, where are the "green jobs"?

 

[JiggsCasey]

the world will never run out of oil - as long as we have a molten core - the earth makes oil - oil is made by extreme pressure and extreme heat on plant life - it taked billions of years - but every day someplace under the earth it has reached a billion years - there is no such thing as "peak oil " - communist demokrats know oil makes amerika strong,,,that is why they refuse to drill for it

Holy CRAP is this some epic fail.

You know, it was Soviet scientists who first championed the "abiotic" oil theory. Why do you hate Amerika?

 

[JiggsCasey]

Windmills are a joke. They had to rig a Cape Cod windmill to run only at a speed that didn't work because the vibration and the hummmmm was driving people crazy.

Link, or GTFO.

I'm intimately knowledgeable about the CapeWind project and the political nonsense surrounding it, so you'd better bring your A game.

 

[lehr]

12 may 2011 - CNN - " because gas is so high in price - fewer people are dying on our hiways "

our communist media will do anything to make komrade obama look good

if it were bush - our communist media would b accusing bush of working with the oil companies to rip us off = demokrats will always b demokrats

 

[lehr]

And we spend billions on high speed rail that will cost way more than advertised and will never ever be a paying proposition.

Well, I guess we will just have to have some Europeans show us how they do it.

And of course the solar panels that are made somewhere else.

Really?

Largest Solar Cell Facility in Oregon | Solar Power - PV Panels

In October 2008, the largest solar cell facility in North America was opened in Hillsboro, Oregon. SolarWorld USA now has a plant that will generate 500 megawatts of energy per year by 2011.

More than $500 million have been invested to allow for cell manufacturing equipment and crystal growing. These efforts can be attributed in large part to Governor Ted Kulongoski, the Oregon Department of Energy and the city of Hillsboro
...........................................................................

But God forbid we should drill more oil wells, or allow existing wells to reopen.

God forbid someone should tell you the sad truth. We have 3% of the world's reserves of petroleum, and use 24% of the world's production of oil. Now how do you propose to drill out of that fact?

forget what komrade obama said - i heard that crap when i was in college - that is a half truth - amerika has more oil than all the arab countries combined - and the earth makes oil as we speek - as long as we have a molten core oil will continue to be made - if we do not drill for oil it will become a nucience - oil continues to leach out of the ground and at the bottom of the sea - oil is made from extreme pressure & heat on plant life - earth never stops making oil= oil makes u.s. strong - that is why communist demokrats hate it

 

[JiggsCasey]

12 may 2011 - CNN - " because gas is so high in price - fewer people are dying on our hiways "

our communist media will do anything to make komrade obama look good

if it were bush - our communist media would b accusing bush of working with the oil companies to rip us off = demokrats will always b demokrats

Horrible... again, I ask... why do you assign yourself to Soviet science? ...

The forum is awaiting your "proof" that oil seeps up from the mantle of the Earth. Can't wait.

 

[RGR]

I'm intimately knowledgeable about the CapeWind project and the political nonsense surrounding it, so you'd better bring your A game.

Perhaps you should tell the truth, which would lead to this correction of the quote:

"I'm intimate with people who actually know something about the CapeWind project and the political nonsense surrounding it, so you'd better bring your A game otherwise I'll quote those people verbatim and hope it sounds better than my peak oil parroting."

 

[JiggsCasey]

I'm intimately knowledgeable about the CapeWind project and the political nonsense surrounding it, so you'd better bring your A game.

Perhaps you should tell the truth, which would lead to this correction of the quote:

"I'm intimate with people who actually know something about the CapeWind project and the political nonsense surrounding it, so you'd better bring your A game otherwise I'll quote those people verbatim and hope it sounds better than my peak oil parroting."

LOL... and you don't know dick, so STFU and GTFO

 

[American Horse]

12 may 2011 - CNN - " because gas is so high in price - fewer people are dying on our hiways "

our communist media will do anything to make komrade obama look good

if it were bush - our communist media would b accusing bush of working with the oil companies to rip us off = demokrats will always b demokrats

Horrible... again, I ask... why do you assign yourself to Soviet science? ...

The forum is awaiting your "proof" that oil seeps up from the mantle of the Earth. Can't wait.

Natural Oil Seeps in the Gulf of Mexico
A NASA Earth Observatory news release from February 3, 2009

"Although accidents and hurricane damage to infrastructure are often to blame for oil spills and the resulting pollution in coastal Gulf of Mexico waters, natural seepage from the ocean floor introduces a significant amount of oil to ocean environments as well. Oil spills are notoriously difficult to identify in natural-color (photo-like) satellite images, especially in the open ocean. Because the ocean surface is already so dark blue in these images, the additional darkening or slight color change that results from a spill is usually imperceptible."

Quote from Geology.com

 

[RGR]

I'm intimately knowledgeable about the CapeWind project and the political nonsense surrounding it, so you'd better bring your A game.

Perhaps you should tell the truth, which would lead to this correction of the quote:

"I'm intimate with people who actually know something about the CapeWind project and the political nonsense surrounding it, so you'd better bring your A game otherwise I'll quote those people verbatim and hope it sounds better than my peak oil parroting."

LOL... and you don't know dick, so STFU and GTFO

Sorry Polly, when I catch peakers in the open it is open season. The dumber the better, as you so aptly have demonstrated. Don't even read your own references, how classic for a church sycophant is that?

 

[JiggsCasey]

Perhaps you should tell the truth, which would lead to this correction of the quote:

"I'm intimate with people who actually know something about the CapeWind project and the political nonsense surrounding it, so you'd better bring your A game otherwise I'll quote those people verbatim and hope it sounds better than my peak oil parroting."

LOL... and you don't know dick, so STFU and GTFO

Sorry Polly, when I catch peakers in the open it is open season. The dumber the better, as you so aptly have demonstrated. Don't even read your own references, how classic for a church sycophant is that?

What are you ever babbling about? I read everything, including your sorry-ass links. You're reduced to just making up shit at this point.

You barely read anything, and you certainly don't answer any direct challenges germane to the discussion. Coward.

I read your stuff; You don't read mine... Despite what you tell yourself into the mirror, that doesn't make you the "winner," ... it just makes you a backpeddling jackass.

 

[Old Rocks]

And we spend billions on high speed rail that will cost way more than advertised and will never ever be a paying proposition.

Well, I guess we will just have to have some Europeans show us how they do it.

And of course the solar panels that are made somewhere else.

Really?

Largest Solar Cell Facility in Oregon | Solar Power - PV Panels

In October 2008, the largest solar cell facility in North America was opened in Hillsboro, Oregon. SolarWorld USA now has a plant that will generate 500 megawatts of energy per year by 2011.

More than $500 million have been invested to allow for cell manufacturing equipment and crystal growing. These efforts can be attributed in large part to Governor Ted Kulongoski, the Oregon Department of Energy and the city of Hillsboro
...........................................................................

But God forbid we should drill more oil wells, or allow existing wells to reopen.

God forbid someone should tell you the sad truth. We have 3% of the world's reserves of petroleum, and use 24% of the world's production of oil. Now how do you propose to drill out of that fact?

First of all, about those high speed rail systems:

“High-speed rail is good for society and it’s good for the environment, but it’s not a profitable business,” said Mr. Barrón of the International Union of Railways. He reckons that only two routes in the world — between Tokyo and Osaka, and between Paris and Lyon, France — have broken even.
Spain’s High-Speed Rail Offers Guideposts for U.S. - NYTimes.com

These things are money hogs, they take billions to run and maintain, the building costs are staggering, and they require a hell of a lot of power. Stupid idea for us, I think we'd have to install new tracks for it cuz what we got now won't support high speeds.

Check this out:

Sadly for rail advocates, these claims are largely bogus, says Cox, who believes that rail promoters ignore accounting principles:
In some countries, government payments that would be called subsidies in the United States are called commercial revenues.
In others, high speed rail operators operate over tracks owned by government infrastructure companies, which are likewise subsidized in some cases.
Often, previous write-offs are not a part of the profit equation.
The lack of transparency in accounting practices makes it difficult to make a judgment as to the level of profitability.
Taiwan Today recently characterized the high-speed rail system as "loss-plagued" and noted it was in the process of seeking to restructure its debt.
A principal problem was that less than 90,000 of the 275,000 daily riders projected to use the system bothered to buy tickets.
The stations aren't full of turnstile-hopping commuters; the Taiwanese were either staying at home or using other forms of transportation.
Projecting more passengers than show up is not unusual in high-speed rail, notes Cox:
The Eurostar service from Paris to London attracts less than one-half of the ridership forecast five years ago and has required a government financial bailout.
The new high-speed rail system in Korea is carrying little more than one-half the passengers originally projected.

HIGH SPEED RAIL IS AN UNPROFITABLE TRAIN WRECK


BTW, did you know that solar power company (SolarWorld) in Oregon you're so proud of? You know that company is based in Germany, right?


I propose to increase our oil production and increase our oil shale and natural gas production. I'm okay with renewable sources of energy, but it's gotta be economically feasible, we can't be subsidizing everything, and we can't afford to be paying higher prices to heat or cool our homes. And I think nuclear power should still be on the table, if we can have nuclear powered subs why can't we have nuclear powered cities and towns? The price has gotta be right though, the big spending days are about over. One way or another.

Of course I know that Solar World is based in Germany. However, several other solar companies that are moving into Portland are US based companies. And ReVolt that is establishing it's headquarters here is a Norwegian and Swiss company, intending to make zinc-air EV batteries. And the company that I work for is based in Russia.

Apperantly, you are still living in the '60s. And I remember that time very well. I was in uniform on base when we stopped the Soviet ships off of Cuba. Times have changed. We reached peak oil for this nation in the '70's, whether you like that fact or not. We do not have enough oil to drill our way to independence. Just a fact.

Getting the kerogen out of oil shale requires far too much energy and water for it to be viable.

The reason that we cannot have nuclear powered cities and towns is that the consequences of something going wrong are so great. Until we get something like the thorium reactors, that would 'burn' present waste, nobody is going to back nuclear again. Three Mile Island, and the disaster in Japan has taught us a hard and expensive lesson.

Do the present airports in this nation make a profit? Who paid for their construction, and was it paid back with a profit? High speed rail is an economical substitute for much of the air traffic today.