Don't forget the liberals created the USA

[lizzie]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

Yes, but they were actual liberals, of the classical European variety, and not the bastardization that we call liberals in the US today. They actually valued independence, freedom, responsibility, and small unintrusive government.

 

[The T]

Liberals created America in their demented minds.

They think...everyone is entitled to live here, everyone deserves free health care, they think freedom is free, they think if it feels good then it's ok to everyone, they think they are smart.....

YOU need to reread the DOC...The Federalist Papers...and the reason WHY we exist...

 

[Charles_Main]

How do you know what I've been doing all day you whiny cocksmooch?

Nice...

You make such a great case as to why voting democrat is a good idea.

Yeah, defend communism and call anyone who doesn't agree with you a "retard," then when conversations start to make sense again - call those you don't understand a "cocksmooch."

There is nothing wrong with name calling just as long as you add substance.

Now refute an assertion and THEN talk shit, but don't one line me dickhead.

Whatever you say douchewagon

douchewagon LOL

good one, Smacktard!

 

[Mr.Nick]

Whatever you say douchewagon

I don't want to hear your ignorant and insulting comments anymore..

Ignore...

Bye...

Mani is a MORON...deserves to be Ignored...Kudos for implimentation.

Well, I did just that..

In the end it was counterproductive for me to argue with it....

 

[American Cowboy]

If they could test fetuses for liberalism in the womb, I might change my position on abortion

 

[Publius1787]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

They were Classical Liberals. Liberal used to pertain to a new system of liberty and freedom. Then Progressives gave liberal a bad name once the word "progressive" wasent popular anymore. Today liberal means to grant the government any power it deems necessary to complete what it determins that the will or the needs of the people is. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, etc spoke specifically against the policies that the liberals of today now advocate.Today, limited government and federalism are words unknown to the left. Indeed, when a liberal calls a supreme court justice a "federalist" he means it in a derogatory fashon. The liberals of today derive all power from scrapping article one section eight of the constitution and ingnoring the 10th amendment all togather. This started in the progressive era. Heavy handed unbound government that pays no heed to individual liberty is not exactly a new concept and thus it isnt exactly liberal. To compare the founding fathers to todays liberals is like trying to compare Thomas Jefferson to Karl Marx. The first minute or two of this video will give you the true definition of liberal.

 

[Mr.Nick]

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[Mr.Nick]

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[del]

only pussies use ignore

 

[Mr.Nick]

only pussies use ignore

only idiots argue with idiots

 

[manifold]

only pussies use ignore

Especially pussies that can't take a joke.

 

[teapartysamurai]

poor child, France has nothing to do with American liberalism or politics. The nutty French revolution was supported with gusto by the nutjob known as Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was also the father of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

You know, the same party IN WHICH OBAMA RESIDES NOW?????????

Funny how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, even if the tree has been growing for more than 200 years.

Um dude learn some American History. Jefferson had nothing to do with the Democrat party. He formed the Democrat Republican Party. Which despite the name, has NOTHING to do with the Modern Democrat or Republican Parties.

That's like saying Abraham Lincoln has nothing to do with the Republican party.

You idiots want to play mind games like that, go right ahead.

Don't blame me when no one takes you seriously.

 

[del]

Thomas Jefferson was also the father of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

You know, the same party IN WHICH OBAMA RESIDES NOW?????????

Funny how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, even if the tree has been growing for more than 200 years.

Um dude learn some American History. Jefferson had nothing to do with the Democrat party. He formed the Democrat Republican Party. Which despite the name, has NOTHING to do with the Modern Democrat or Republican Parties.

That's like saying Abraham Lincoln has nothing to do with the Republican party.

You idiots want to play mind games like that, go right ahead.

Don't blame me when no one takes you seriously.

you mean you don't give lessons?

you should

 

[editec]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

No, they weren't.

 

[manifold]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

No, they weren't.

Read on.

I noted the lone exception.

 

[Bern80]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

And they are nothing like the liberals of today. How fucking dishonest can you possibly be?

I posted a statement of fact.

Nothing dishonest about that skippy.

Yes you are dishonest because you apparently don't have the balls to put into words what we all know you mean. Had you said something like, "Don't forget liberals today are great, righteous people because it was also people who called themselves liberals 250 odd years ago that founded the country", THAT would have been an honest statement. It would not have been a true statement because the fact remains liberals then are nothing ideologocally like liberals now, but at least it would have been honest.

 

[manifold]

And they are nothing like the liberals of today. How fucking dishonest can you possibly be?

I posted a statement of fact.

Nothing dishonest about that skippy.

Yes you are dishonest because you apparently don't have the balls to put into words what we all know you mean. Had you said something like, "Don't forget liberals today are great, righteous people because it was also people who called themselves liberals 250 odd years ago that founded the country", THAT would have been an honest statement. It would not have been a true statement because the fact remains liberals then are nothing ideologocally now, but at least it would have been honest.

Fail.

Had I said that it would have been both incorrect and dishonest.

But nice rant though.

 

[MarcATL]

only pussies use ignore

only idiots argue with idiots

That's exactly why I stopped engaging you.

 

[Bern80]

I posted a statement of fact.

Nothing dishonest about that skippy.

Yes you are dishonest because you apparently don't have the balls to put into words what we all know you mean. Had you said something like, "Don't forget liberals today are great, righteous people because it was also people who called themselves liberals 250 odd years ago that founded the country", THAT would have been an honest statement. It would not have been a true statement because the fact remains liberals then are nothing ideologocally now, but at least it would have been honest.

Fail.

Had I said that it would have been both incorrect and dishonest.

But nice rant though.

Oh, So you actually do know that liberals then are nothing like liberals now? And the only thing true about your statement is that two groups separated by a couple hundred years of history used the same word to describe themselves. If that is what you meant it was stated rather poorly. Sort of begs the question, what's your point? Knowing that they aren't the same, why exactly did you feel it necessary to remind the right minded folks of this board that the founders called themselves liberals?

 

[MarcATL]

Don't forget the liberals created the USA

This is true to the extent liberals have always advocated the greatest possible government restrictions when it comes to privacy rights, search and seizure issues (‘law and order’), and the comprehensive application of the Bill of Rights (incorporation doctrine). Liberals would rather ‘allow a guilty man go free than convict an innocent man.’ Liberals are opposed to ‘compromising our liberty for security.’

This, then, was the original intent of the Framers: to err on the side of individual rights.

Conservatives, on the other hand, and for the most part, support greater government involvement in our private lives – such as the abortion issue, opposition to same-sex marriage, and the conjoining on church and State in the public sector - such as religions documents in public buildings and advocating prayer in pubic schools.

Conservatives have also been hostile to First Amendment rights by advocating the banning of materials they consider ‘offensive,’ advocating prior restraint with regard to publishing government information, and the restriction of rights to undocumented non-citizens.

The only time we see concern from the right with regard to government ‘overreach’ is with Commerce Clause or similar issues. Pity conservatives can’t be as concerned with individuals’ rights as the rights of corporations.

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