Do you believe Cohen or Trump?

[bripat9643]

If Cohen has tapes or documentation to support his claim, then I will tend to believe his version

Obviously, but absent this type of undeniable proof I don't see how anyone can believe either of them.

And for the record unless it was campaign money I dont see what the big deal is.

and paying off those who might throw a monkey wrench into trumps election hopes is no big deal?

Whether it's a "big deal" isn't the issue. It was legal, and that's all that matters.

Hillary paid off a dozen bimbos to smear Trump.

Where do you come up with this garbage. Provide a link that is not Alex Jones, the National Enquirer, or some other right-wing conspiracy site.

Lisa Blum admitted she paid off bimbos willing to smear Trump.

 

[nat4900]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

Well, Poppy........would this be an optimum time for you to OPENLY admit that Trump hires mostly LIARS, CHEATERS and CORRUPT scum bags????

LOL

 

[bripat9643]

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Why the hell should he testify.......so you can have another Perjury Trap............How about taking the 5th and telling you to shove the questions where the sun doesn't shine...........

Everyone has that right including the President.

He doesn’t have Republicans covering for him any more. Democrats in the House will subpoena him

Clinton was forced to testify......so will Trump

Congress can't subpoena the President, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

No one under the constitution is FORCED to TESTIFY...............You are not required to give testimony under that Constitution...........Trump could challenge that to the Supreme Court and refuse to testify.............You'd lose.......

TRUE.......Guilty people don't want to testify........A big orange chicken???...........LOL

A lot of innocent people don't want to testify either.

I doubt anyone believes testifying under oath is fun, aside from the terminally insane, that is.

 

[bripat9643]

You got that right. I just heard the tapes this morning. This won't go anywhere.

Sure you tell yourself that. You tell yourself all these guys are pleading guilty to stuff and agreeing to testify for "something that won't go anywhere".

No one has agreed to testify to anything, moron. They plead guilty because Mueller is holding a gun to their heads.

 

[nat4900]

Congress can't subpoena the President, moron.

A number of former presidents and vice presidents have testified in Congress, as has at least one sitting vice president. But three sitting presidents — George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Gerald Ford — have testified before Congress. Another — Woodrow Wilson — submitted to hours of committee questioning at the White House.

 

[bripat9643]

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Oh yeah. There's no way in hell his lawyers would let him testify.

Clinton and Reagan were forced to testify

Reagan wasn't in office at the time, and Clinton did not testify in response to a subpoena from Congress. It was in a private lawsuit.

 

[nat4900]

They plead guilty because Mueller is holding a gun to their heads.

These darn republican prosecutors are something else, no?..............LOL

(yeah, yeah, I know......RINOSs......)

 

[bripat9643]

Congress can't subpoena the President, moron.

A number of former presidents and vice presidents have testified in Congress, as has at least one sitting vice president. But three sitting presidents — George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Gerald Ford — have testified before Congress. Another — Woodrow Wilson — submitted to hours of committee questioning at the White House.

Presidents are free to testify if they want to, but Congress can't force them to.

 

[bripat9643]

They plead guilty because Mueller is holding a gun to their heads.

These darn republican prosecutors are something else, no?..............LOL

(yeah, yeah, I know......RINOSs......)

Yeah, it's really "something" when people respond naturally to extortion.

 

[nat4900]

The thread's title should be changed to:

Do you believe tapes, memos, emails, recordings, etc.....OR Trump?.............LMAO

 

[Synthaholic]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

You’re forgetting a crucial point: if anything Cohen has told Mueller turns out to be a lie his entire plea deal is out the window and he is sentenced to decades in prison.

I can’t think of a stronger incentive to tell the truth.

This is also why he wouldn’t make a deal with SDNY the way he did with Mueller. If he told THEM the truth about all his activities in New York (Taxi medallions, etc.) that are not part of Mueller’s investigation he would be in prison for decades.

 

[nat4900]

Presidents are free to testify if they want to, but Congress can't force them to.

Has about when they're out of office, DiaperBaby???..........LOL

 

[bripat9643]

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Why the hell should he testify.......so you can have another Perjury Trap............How about taking the 5th and telling you to shove the questions where the sun doesn't shine...........

Everyone has that right including the President.

I think a sitting President taking the 5th would be interesting to say the least.

He would be admitting to law breaking publicly

You mean like the Obama IRS official, Lois Lerner, did? Are you saying she is guilty?

 

[LaDexter]

nat4900, is Hillary your "example" of an "honest Democrat?"

LOL

 

[nat4900]

Yeah, it's really "something" when people respond naturally to extortion.

Most co-defendants who rat out on the main crook, would agree with the above....lol

 

[LaDexter]

Most co-defendants who rat out on the main crook, would agree with the above....lol

and when JAMES McDOUGLE was ratting out Slick Willie, Nat was calling McDOUGLE a "con" who "can't be trusted..."

 

[nat4900]

You mean like the Obama IRS official, Lois Lerner, did? Are you saying she is guilty?

Maybe.......Why don't you convince your fucked up party in charge of EVERY segment of government to check Lerner out????

What do you think, DiaperBaby?......lol

 

[edward37]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Minor transgressions that resulted in $350,000 in fines for missing filing dates and providing partial filings. McCain was also fined for similar actions

Trump won't be paying any fine, moron.

Maybe not as President but after the douche leaves

 

[nat4900]

and when JAMES McDOUGLE was ratting out Slick Willie, Nat was calling McDOUGLE a "con" who "can't be trusted..."

I was????............Really???

(do these fuckheads EVER document their bullshit?.......LOL)