Do you believe Cohen or Trump?

[Papageorgio]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

Well, Poppy........would this be an optimum time for you to OPENLY admit that Trump hires mostly LIARS, CHEATERS and CORRUPT scum bags????

LOL

Politicians by nature are liars, cheaters and corrupt, the two party system is corrupt.

 

[Asclepias]

Anyone that believes Drumpf is a scientifically proven fool.

This from a member of the HILLARY CULT....

You are a member of Hillarys cult?

 

[edward37]

Yeah, it's really "something" when people respond naturally to extortion.

Most co-defendants who rat out on the main crook, would agree with the above....lol

There is no "main crook," shit for brains.

BAD NEWS Bri
Cohen: Special counsel has 'substantial amount of information that corroborates' my testimony

More horseshit from the puppet with Mueller's hand up his ass. If Mueller had anything, they wouldn't be sentencing Cohen because after they do they lose all leverage over him.

Mueller isn't the one who wanted Cohen sentenced it was southern district

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Not double standards,dope.
Different standards.
There are two different types of campaign finance violations. Civil and criminal.

Civil is the result of an oversight. An accounting or reporting error that is later corrected and a fine paid.

Criminal is a violation in which payments or donations are deliberately not reported and hidden.

 

[Asclepias]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has tapes and corroborating witnesses (Pecker, Daniels, McDougal).

Trump isn't even sure what his lie is yet. He totally paid them off, but he never had sex with them.

You're insane if you believe those tapes will ever be used against Trump. They were obtained by violating attorney-client privilege.

Sorry dummy. Drumpf waived that privilege and new york is a one party consent recording state. Try a new excuse.

 

[eagle1462010]

Was Trump trying to do a real estate deal in Russia before becoming President..........why yes he was.............Did it happen..........Why no it didn't.

Trump compromised himself as a candidate... he lied lied and lied to the American people about his deals and proposals in Moscow, while the russian government and Putin KNEW he was lying to us, over and over and over again...

"I have no deals in Russia, no one from my team has talked to anyone in Russia, I have no proposed deals in Russia, blah blah blah"

He's a fricking liar to the nth degree, which weakens our Country and makes us more unsecure as a Nation.

He pretended he stopped pursuing the Moscow deal, ALL BECAUSE it was made public that the Russians hacked and stole the DNC emails, instead we find out that Cohen was still trying to pursue the deal in Moscow for him in January of 2017.

And now we KNOW why he was mouthing off about how great he was and how great him and Putin get along and how they didn't need sanctions, ALL BECAUSE the bank for the Trump Moscow deal was going to use a bank in Russia, that was UNDER SANCTIONS....

PLEASE, he is a dirty rotten scoundrel, crooked as they have ever come.... and you picked the traitorous SOB who has chosen himself, over Nation.

Let's just tell the truth, admit it.... The Don comes first and it was NEVER AMERICA FIRST!

He didn't build it..........didn't get a loan from that bank..........end of story...........without that you have nothing.

Your side looks the other way on abuses of power from the other side.......the payments to Fusion GPS to find dirt on Trump via Foreign Agents................you don't care about that .............You IGNORE THAT...............

Your side grandstanding over perjury traps..........while you look the other way on the lies from the other side.......Comey caught.............McCabe caught.............You over look Leaks from people like Clapper........during an investigation..........you over look how Steele was fired from the FBI for leaking during an ongoing investigation which happens to be Obstruction of Justice..........You look the other way when Clinton lied about Classified data on a private server.......emails she said didn't exist but were found later..............

There are 2 sides to every story...........and you LOOK THE OTHER WAY on the crimes of the other side.......

Did you look away when the IRS attacked citizens for their beliefs.......did you look away when the same IRS destroyed evidence...............took the 5th..........

Did you look the other way when HSBC bank did the largest money laundering in U.S. History.......did you look the other way when Comey worked for the same bank........board of directors............Did you look the other way that this same bank gave money to the Clinton Investigation...............

Don't tell me how Party of Nation is involved on my side only..............That is BS............keep looking the other way.............it's what you do.

 

[RealDave]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Trump is the biggest liar ever in politics.

 

[toobfreak]

Congress can't subpoena the President, moron.

A number of former presidents and vice presidents have testified in Congress, as has at least one sitting vice president. But three sitting presidents — George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Gerald Ford — have testified before Congress. Another — Woodrow Wilson — submitted to hours of committee questioning at the White House.

You mean these were all subpoenaed to testify as a hostile witness against themselves in lieu of the 5th? What was George being accused of, cutting down the Cherry Tree? I bet the axe taped him admitting to it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Cohen claims.....nothing in the Trump organization was ever done without running through Mr Trump


Do Conservatives believe that or not?

Sure, President Trump ok'ed the payoff of the adult actress Stormy Daniels.

And he wanted it done legally, that's why he handed the task to a member of his legal staff, Mike Cohen, to make sure it was done correctly and legally.

Cohen says he failed in his assigned task.

Sure, President Trump ok'ed the payoff of the adult actress Stormy Daniels.

And he wanted it done legally, that's why he handed the task to a member of his legal staff, Mike Cohen, to make sure it was done correctly and legally.

The recording showed quite clearly that the president knew what Cohen was going to do and that it was not legal.

Setting up a front company to pass the payments through so as to conceal their origins is is illegal.

 

[eagle1462010]

‘Over my dead body’: Giuliani dismisses prospect of Trump interview with Mueller

Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s attorney, on Sunday rejected the prospect of Trump sitting down for an interview with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

“Over my dead body,” Giuliani said on “Fox News Sunday.” “But you know, I could be dead.”

“Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace followed up, pressing Giuliani on whether the special counsel wanted to speak with Trump. Giuliani did not respond directly and instead said he was “disgusted with the tactics they have used in this case.”

 

[edward37]

‘Over my dead body’: Giuliani dismisses prospect of Trump interview with Mueller

Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s attorney, on Sunday rejected the prospect of Trump sitting down for an interview with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

“Over my dead body,” Giuliani said on “Fox News Sunday.” “But you know, I could be dead.”

“Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace followed up, pressing Giuliani on whether the special counsel wanted to speak with Trump. Giuliani did not respond directly and instead said he was “disgusted with the tactics they have used in this case.”

LOL Giuliani is just more proof trump can't get decent people to work

 

[eagle1462010]

‘Over my dead body’: Giuliani dismisses prospect of Trump interview with Mueller

Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s attorney, on Sunday rejected the prospect of Trump sitting down for an interview with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

“Over my dead body,” Giuliani said on “Fox News Sunday.” “But you know, I could be dead.”

“Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace followed up, pressing Giuliani on whether the special counsel wanted to speak with Trump. Giuliani did not respond directly and instead said he was “disgusted with the tactics they have used in this case.”

LOL Giuliani is just more proof trump can't get decent people to work

Well he's saying what i'd say............LOL

Trump isn't going to testify.........and he can't be indicted......good luck with the circus next year............centered around a porn bimbo..........LOL

 

[Crepitus]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

"If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence. "

Wouldnt that be more of a reason to tell the truth?

Could be either way, he may have lied to get a deal, happens frequently.

No, it doesn't. You don't get a deal without verifiable information. Look at manafort's situation.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Both are liars...who do you believe?

If Cohen has tapes or documentation to support his claim, then I will tend to believe his version

Cohen is a puppet who has Mueller's hand shoved up his ass. His credibility is zero.

Cohen is a man who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. His only option was to turn on his boss. If all we have is Cohens claims of misdoings, be hard to prosecute
But if Lawyer Cohen covered his ass whole comitting crimes for Trump......Trump is in trouble

If Cohen had anything on Trump, they wouldn't be sentencing him. They do that only after the perp has testified in the other case. They have no leverage on him once he's sentenced.

Not true at all.

Cohen was sentenced for charges brought by the SDNY. Not Mueller.
Cohen is still active with Mueller.

 

[rightwinger]

Let's take a look at Cohen, who proved to have lied during the investigation.

Cohen says he's oh so deeply sorry he got involved in Trump's most darkest of worlds. And the proof of that world of darkness? Ah shucks, the depths of Hell was hush money paid to a porn star.............Oh my, how fucking dark, Trump is Satan himself.

For those with a fucking brain, it's clear Cohen's statement was was part of a plea agreement for political causes. It's that or he figure he'd say it on his own expecting leniency, but I'll assume the former. Either way it supports what should be very clear to everyone, which is this investigation stinks and Cohen is creep. But I don't suspect many progressives can follow the logic.

I think Mueller is an experienced enough prosecutor to not take Cohens word on anything. Verify, verify, verify

Whats funny is that people actually think Mueller is some sort of rookie at this. Drumpf wouldnt last 15 seconds with a 1rst year law school student let alone Mueller.

They actually think he will run with whatever story they tell him


Look what happened to Msnafort. He made up stuff and Mueller pulled his plea offer

 

[Crepitus]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

Not really no. He's already been sentenced.

I understand however if he has found to withhold evidence or lie, they can make new charges. Most plea deals have conditions put on them.

Yes of course. In which case his best option would be to remain silent. If he's lying every time he talks publicly he runs the risk of contradicting himself or letting something new slip.

 

[Crepitus]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

Not really no. He's already been sentenced.

I understand however if he has found to withhold evidence or lie, they can make new charges. Most plea deals have conditions put on them.

Mueller forced him to lie, so why would Mueller want that to come out in court?

That's nothing but a tRumpkin fable. No-one of any intelligence believes it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

it's very ambiguous considering the lack of evidence

You meant your lack of interest in the evidence.

What "evidence?"

Derp.....

Exactly.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

Wrong

The information he has given had to have some value insofar as being truthful. He couldn’t just make up stuff. The IC would be verifying this information with what Papa said, with what Manafort said, with what dozens of other deposed witnesses said. One cannot just do the keeping up appearances act with the federal prosecutors. It would actually get him more jail time.

Mueller is the one who is making stuff up. They he forced Cohen to plead guilty to it. No one gives a damn whether it's true or not, especially Mueller.

The SDNY charged Cohen. Not Mueller, dope.

 

[basquebromance]

its not a crime to have a dirty lawyer. that's on Mike not Donald
payoffs are unseemly but they're not illegal