Do Palestinians Have the Right to Defend Themselves?

[Phoenall]

No, it is not a fact. An invasion is a military offensive you compulsive liar. Jews created a sovereign state, not a colony. Your propaganda knows no bounds!

The creation of Israel was a military offensive.

Load of crap. Israel declared independence the same way the Palestinians did in 1988. The day after Israel was created, 5 Arab armies and several Palestinian militias surrounded the newly founded state and attacked them with clear intention of destroying Israel.
Yes, there was a military offensive , and it was against Israel.

Deflection.

What does that have to do with my post?

I explained how your comment was extremely idiotic. There was no deflection.

You don't make any sense.

Europeans went to Palestine and drove 750,000 Palestinians out of their homes at the point of a gun and you say that is not a military invasion.

And the Palestinians didn't try to drive 1 million Jews into the sea starting in 1929 under the leadership of the islamonazi Grand Mufti ?

If the arab muslim armies had not invaded then the Israelis would not have been forced into defending themselves. Nor would they have needed to evict violent enemies from Israel at the point of a gun

 

[Billo_Really]

And the Palestinians didn't try to drive 1 million Jews into the sea starting in 1929 under the leadership of the islamonazi Grand Mufti ?

If the arab muslim armies had not invaded then the Israelis would not have been forced into defending themselves. Nor would they have needed to evict violent enemies from Israel at the point of a gun

"... the [Zionist] settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the [Palestinian] natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! [Phone-boy]"

" Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'"
- Ahad Ha'am

 

[Phoenall]

Load of crap. Israel declared independence the same way the Palestinians did in 1988. The day after Israel was created, 5 Arab armies and several Palestinian militias surrounded the newly founded state and attacked them with clear intention of destroying Israel.
Yes, there was a military offensive , and it was against Israel.

Deflection.

What does that have to do with my post?

I explained how your comment was extremely idiotic. There was no deflection.

You don't make any sense.

Europeans went to Palestine and drove 750,000 Palestinians out of their homes at the point of a gun and you say that is not a military invasion.

The people who immigrated to the region were not combatants you idiot. The immigration itself was not a military invasion. Really Tinmore. how stupid can you possible be?
These are military invasions:

List of invasions - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

After being attacked by Palestinian militias, many Palestinian fled or were kicked out. But the biggest Palestinian exodus occurred when 5 Arab states and Palestinian militias surrounded the region and attacked the newly founded state trying to expel the residents. The Jews fought back and returned the favour.

Israeli horsecrap.

Almost half of the Palestinians were expelled before any Arab army came to their assistance.

And all they had to do was not start the terrorism and violence and they would still be living there. But in 1929 they followed the command of the islamonazi Grand Mufti to kill the Jews and drive them out of arab muslim lands. So the Jews did what they could and formed defence groups to fight back, this caused the migrant arab muslims to move away from the Jewish defence forces. The arab armies, not plural as 5 arab nations were involved, started their attacks in 1947 not 1948

 

[P F Tinmore]

Deflection.

What does that have to do with my post?

I explained how your comment was extremely idiotic. There was no deflection.

You don't make any sense.

Europeans went to Palestine and drove 750,000 Palestinians out of their homes at the point of a gun and you say that is not a military invasion.

The people who immigrated to the region were not combatants you idiot. The immigration itself was not a military invasion. Really Tinmore. how stupid can you possible be?
These are military invasions:

List of invasions - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

After being attacked by Palestinian militias, many Palestinian fled or were kicked out. But the biggest Palestinian exodus occurred when 5 Arab states and Palestinian militias surrounded the region and attacked the newly founded state trying to expel the residents. The Jews fought back and returned the favour.

Israeli horsecrap.

Almost half of the Palestinians were expelled before any Arab army came to their assistance.

And all they had to do was not start the terrorism and violence and they would still be living there. But in 1929 they followed the command of the islamonazi Grand Mufti to kill the Jews and drive them out of arab muslim lands. So the Jews did what they could and formed defence groups to fight back, this caused the migrant arab muslims to move away from the Jewish defence forces. The arab armies, not plural as 5 arab nations were involved, started their attacks in 1947 not 1948

After the fact tit for tat. Meaningless.

 

[Phoenall]

The people who immigrated to the region were not combatants you idiot.

That's bullshit! Maybe some of them weren't. But the fact remains, the violence didn't start, until they showed up.

The immigration itself was not a military invasion.

It doesn't matter what you call it. But if you have to give it a name, call it a...

weaponized vacation
armed picnic
the boys next door​

...whatever floats your boat, Nucky.

What's bullshit ? The people who immigrated were not combatants. They did;t come to the region as part of a military offensive.

BTW, the Arabs instigated the violence, as I have proved many times.

The so called immigrants do not match the definition of immigrants.

They were imported by the Zionists not to be a part of Palestine but to populate a foreign "state" to be established in Palestine.

Then you will be able to produce a link from an unbiased source saying just that. You forget that the LoN invited the Jews of the world to migrate to Palestine. The majority of these immigrant Jews came from the surrounding countries because of islamonazi barbarism and violence, so it is only to be expected that once they could fight back that they would. So hardly "foreign" are they, as many were closer to Palestine than the arab muslim illegal immigrants.

 

[Billo_Really]

"When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly ..."
- Theodor Herzl


...mmmmm......"removal of the poor"


Looks to me like Zionists came into the area with every intention of physically removing the indigenous, non-Jewish inhabitants, by any means necessary.

THAT, STARTED THE WAR!

 

[Phoenall]

And the Palestinians didn't try to drive 1 million Jews into the sea starting in 1929 under the leadership of the islamonazi Grand Mufti ?

If the arab muslim armies had not invaded then the Israelis would not have been forced into defending themselves. Nor would they have needed to evict violent enemies from Israel at the point of a gun

"... the [Zionist] settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the [Palestinian] natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! [Phone-boy]"

" Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'"
- Ahad Ha'am

Hardly an unbiased source is it being from an islamonazi source and started on Lies and ends on Lies with Lies in the middle.

As your cut and paste says the arab muslims viewed the Jews as chattels and not human beings. After 1400 years of facing hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds is it any wonder they rejoice in their freedom and give back a very small percentage of what they received. And guess what dildo boy the majority of the immigrant Jews came from the surrounding nations, and not from Europe or America. The fact that prior to the capitulation of the Ottomans the arab muslims agreed to receiving 99% of the Ottoman lands for their National Homes and the Jews to receiving 1% for theirs. When push came to shove the arab muslims did their usual trick and tried to renege on the deals struck. But they did not have the military might to take on the LoN so turned on the Jews throughout the Islamic world. This is why from 1920 till 1949 the numbers of Jews in Islamic lands dropped to less than 1% of the population when it was 15% to 20%. Many were never to be seen ever again as the mass murders took place away from western eyes.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS NOT SOME ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS VIEWS

 

[Billo_Really]

Hardly an unbiased source is it being from an islamonazi source and started on Lies and ends on Lies with Lies in the middle.

As your cut and paste says the arab muslims viewed the Jews as chattels and not human beings. After 1400 years of facing hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds is it any wonder they rejoice in their freedom and give back a very small percentage of what they received. And guess what dildo boy the majority of the immigrant Jews came from the surrounding nations, and not from Europe or America. The fact that prior to the capitulation of the Ottomans the arab muslims agreed to receiving 99% of the Ottoman lands for their National Homes and the Jews to receiving 1% for theirs. When push came to shove the arab muslims did their usual trick and tried to renege on the deals struck. But they did not have the military might to take on the LoN so turned on the Jews throughout the Islamic world. This is why from 1920 till 1949 the numbers of Jews in Islamic lands dropped to less than 1% of the population when it was 15% to 20%. Many were never to be seen ever again as the mass murders took place away from western eyes.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS NOT SOME ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS VIEWS

Little bitchy troll, spewing his little bitchy troll shit, that he's probably being paid to spew.

The only thing you know about "facts", is that you don't have any.

I posted a direct quote from a famous Zionist humanist, who stated the Zionists that migrated into the area, treated the Arabs like garbage, bragged about this treatment and did it without being provoked.

If someone moved into your neighborhood and started treating you that way, you would do the same thing the Arabs did.


BTW, I got the quote from the official UN website, so shove that up your extremely biased ass, you worthless piece of shit!

 

[Phoenall]

I explained how your comment was extremely idiotic. There was no deflection.

You don't make any sense.

Europeans went to Palestine and drove 750,000 Palestinians out of their homes at the point of a gun and you say that is not a military invasion.

The people who immigrated to the region were not combatants you idiot. The immigration itself was not a military invasion. Really Tinmore. how stupid can you possible be?
These are military invasions:

List of invasions - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

After being attacked by Palestinian militias, many Palestinian fled or were kicked out. But the biggest Palestinian exodus occurred when 5 Arab states and Palestinian militias surrounded the region and attacked the newly founded state trying to expel the residents. The Jews fought back and returned the favour.

Israeli horsecrap.

Almost half of the Palestinians were expelled before any Arab army came to their assistance.

And all they had to do was not start the terrorism and violence and they would still be living there. But in 1929 they followed the command of the islamonazi Grand Mufti to kill the Jews and drive them out of arab muslim lands. So the Jews did what they could and formed defence groups to fight back, this caused the migrant arab muslims to move away from the Jewish defence forces. The arab armies, not plural as 5 arab nations were involved, started their attacks in 1947 not 1948

After the fact tit for tat. Meaningless.

NO before the creation of Israel as far back as 1929. That is when the muslims started the attacks on the Jews to drive them into the sea, and many arab muslims from other nations joined in the attacks. This led to mass murders of Jews and expulsions by the arab muslim nations that attacked Israel starting in 1947. So yes tit for tat against islamonazi genocides and ethnic cleansings of Jews. Look at the demographica of the Jews in the arab muslim armies nations from 1920 to the present day for the proof

 

[Phoenall]

Hardly an unbiased source is it being from an islamonazi source and started on Lies and ends on Lies with Lies in the middle.

As your cut and paste says the arab muslims viewed the Jews as chattels and not human beings. After 1400 years of facing hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds is it any wonder they rejoice in their freedom and give back a very small percentage of what they received. And guess what dildo boy the majority of the immigrant Jews came from the surrounding nations, and not from Europe or America. The fact that prior to the capitulation of the Ottomans the arab muslims agreed to receiving 99% of the Ottoman lands for their National Homes and the Jews to receiving 1% for theirs. When push came to shove the arab muslims did their usual trick and tried to renege on the deals struck. But they did not have the military might to take on the LoN so turned on the Jews throughout the Islamic world. This is why from 1920 till 1949 the numbers of Jews in Islamic lands dropped to less than 1% of the population when it was 15% to 20%. Many were never to be seen ever again as the mass murders took place away from western eyes.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS NOT SOME ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS VIEWS

Little bitchy troll, spewing his little bitchy troll shit, that he's probably being paid to spew.

The only thing you know about "facts", is that you don't have any.

I posted a direct quote from a famous Zionist humanist, who stated the Zionists that migrated into the area, treated the Arabs like garbage, bragged about this treatment and did it without being provoked.

If someone moved into your neighborhood and started treating you that way, you would do the same thing the Arabs did.


BTW, I got the quote from the official UN website, so shove that up your extremely biased ass, you worthless piece of shit!

I have more facts about Palestine in my nail clippings than you have in your entire body.

Does not alter the fact that it is based on LIES and islamonazi PROPAGANDA does it

Did you indeed and so he out of 12 million Jews is the only one that is right, and all the others are wrong

Depends on if I was treating them that way before they got balls, or don't you see the prior 1400 years of islamonazi abuse, violence and barbarity to be of influence ?

Rattled your cage again dildo as you resort to foul mouthed abuse and infantile name calling

 

[Phoenall]

"When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly ..."
- Theodor Herzl


...mmmmm......"removal of the poor"


Looks to me like Zionists came into the area with every intention of physically removing the indigenous, non-Jewish inhabitants, by any means necessary.

THAT, STARTED THE WAR!

No by legal means that left them no worse of than when they migrated illegally into Palestine. What would you do if Mexican illegal immigrants took your job from you and undercut you on wages. Then turned round and said they were going to take your lands and property. I would do exactly what the British workers are doing now over foreign workers taking the Jobs in the UK, fight back legally

 

[Phoenall]

The people who immigrated to the region were not combatants you idiot.

That's bullshit! Maybe some of them weren't. But the fact remains, the violence didn't start, until they showed up.

The immigration itself was not a military invasion.

It doesn't matter what you call it. But if you have to give it a name, call it a...

weaponized vacation
armed picnic
the boys next door​

...whatever floats your boat, Nucky.

The violence started the day mohammed invented islam and continued to today. And that is another proven fact.

Look up the Pact of Omar and Dhimmi laws to see just how non muslims were treated in Islamic lands. Special note should be taken of the way non muslims were beaten and abused even when they were paying the protection money

 

[Phoenall]

Read my post again. Before the Arab Israeli war BTW, many Palestinians FLED, not all were expelled.

Nobody leaves a home they've been living in for generations, just because someone asked them to.

It just doesn't happen!

Then explain the 6 million Jews in Europe forcibly moved to the death camps by the likes of you. Threaten a person with violence and they do as they are told, rape the females first and they become like sheep. If the US military started to cleanse certain areas of certain people and used brutal means the message would be sent out to give it to their demands and move

 

[Phoenall]

I explained how your comment was extremely idiotic. There was no deflection.

You don't make any sense.

Europeans went to Palestine and drove 750,000 Palestinians out of their homes at the point of a gun and you say that is not a military invasion.

The people who immigrated to the region were not combatants you idiot. The immigration itself was not a military invasion. Really Tinmore. how stupid can you possible be?
These are military invasions:

List of invasions - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

After being attacked by Palestinian militias, many Palestinian fled or were kicked out. But the biggest Palestinian exodus occurred when 5 Arab states and Palestinian militias surrounded the region and attacked the newly founded state trying to expel the residents. The Jews fought back and returned the favour.

Israeli horsecrap.

Almost half of the Palestinians were expelled before any Arab army came to their assistance.

Read my post again. Before the Arab Israeli war BTW, many Palestinians FLED, not all were expelled.

Fled why?

Because the invaders asked please leave so we can take your country?

Yes the arab muslim invaders said they could not protect them against the arab armies and it would be best if they left for a couple of weeks till they had wiped out the Jews. 67 years later they are still in the refugee camps, now why is that when every war since has seen the refugees absorbed into other countries ?

 

[Phoenall]

The people who immigrated to the region were not combatants you idiot.

That's bullshit! Maybe some of them weren't. But the fact remains, the violence didn't start, until they showed up.

The immigration itself was not a military invasion.

It doesn't matter what you call it. But if you have to give it a name, call it a...

weaponized vacation
armed picnic
the boys next door​

...whatever floats your boat, Nucky.

What's bullshit ? The people who immigrated were not combatants. They did;t come to the region as part of a military offensive.

BTW, the Arabs instigated the violence, as I have proved many times.

The so called immigrants do not match the definition of immigrants.

They were imported by the Zionists not to be a part of Palestine but to populate a foreign "state" to be established in Palestine.

In what way didn't they match the definition of immigrants then ?

 

[Daniyel]

I'm getting sick of this thread so let's head back to the subject shall we?
The Question: Do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?
The Answer: Yes.
It does imply a constructive question - Did anyone revoked or questioned the Palestinians right to defend themselves?
The Answer: No.

 

[toastman]

"When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly ..."
- Theodor Herzl


...mmmmm......"removal of the poor"


Looks to me like Zionists came into the area with every intention of physically removing the indigenous, non-Jewish inhabitants, by any means necessary.

THAT, STARTED THE WAR!

Only in your demented mind. What started the war was massacres of Jews. They started BEFORE any violence took place.

 

[montelatici]

The conflict started when Europeans traveled to Palestine with the intention of settling there, evicting the local populace and creating a state of their own, at the expense of the local populace. The Europeans initiated the violence by killing local people as recorded in Ottoman legal archives.

"As in so many incidents that enfolded in the early years of Zionism, often researchers have only had access to the version of events written by the Jewish side. At times, one could find another narrative – the official account of events as recorded by the local Ottoman administration. Still, a new document referring to the Zarnuka incident was discovered recently by researcher Yuval Ben Bassat, in the Istanbul Archives, a petition written to Sultan Mehmet V by heads of families in the area.

The petitioners present themselves as, "We, the residents of villages neighboring with the Jewish colonies of Daran [Rehovot] and Lun Kara (Rishon Leztion)," and complain that the Jews "wanted to strip the camel owner of their clothes, money and camels, but these men refused to give their camels and escaped from Lun Kara with their camels, protecting each other [to seek refuge with] men of the law… The above mentioned Jews attacked our villages, robbed and looted our property, killed and even damaged the family honor, all this in a manner we find hard to put in words."

The villagers continue to voice their grievances about the Jewish attitude, the amassing of forbidden arms in the Jewish colonies, and even of bribery: "By payments they do whatever they want, as if they have a small government of their own in the country."

New documents reveal early Palestinian attitudes toward Zionist settlements - Israel News Haaretz

 

[Phoenall]

The conflict started when Europeans traveled to Palestine with the intention of settling there, evicting the local populace and creating a state of their own, at the expense of the local populace. The Europeans initiated the violence by killing local people as recorded in Ottoman legal archives.

"As in so many incidents that enfolded in the early years of Zionism, often researchers have only had access to the version of events written by the Jewish side. At times, one could find another narrative – the official account of events as recorded by the local Ottoman administration. Still, a new document referring to the Zarnuka incident was discovered recently by researcher Yuval Ben Bassat, in the Istanbul Archives, a petition written to Sultan Mehmet V by heads of families in the area.

The petitioners present themselves as, "We, the residents of villages neighboring with the Jewish colonies of Daran [Rehovot] and Lun Kara (Rishon Leztion)," and complain that the Jews "wanted to strip the camel owner of their clothes, money and camels, but these men refused to give their camels and escaped from Lun Kara with their camels, protecting each other [to seek refuge with] men of the law… The above mentioned Jews attacked our villages, robbed and looted our property, killed and even damaged the family honor, all this in a manner we find hard to put in words."

The villagers continue to voice their grievances about the Jewish attitude, the amassing of forbidden arms in the Jewish colonies, and even of bribery: "By payments they do whatever they want, as if they have a small government of their own in the country."

New documents reveal early Palestinian attitudes toward Zionist settlements - Israel News Haaretz

What is the source for this link then fred, lets see if you can be honest at least once

 

[P F Tinmore]

The conflict started when Europeans traveled to Palestine with the intention of settling there, evicting the local populace and creating a state of their own, at the expense of the local populace. The Europeans initiated the violence by killing local people as recorded in Ottoman legal archives.

"As in so many incidents that enfolded in the early years of Zionism, often researchers have only had access to the version of events written by the Jewish side. At times, one could find another narrative – the official account of events as recorded by the local Ottoman administration. Still, a new document referring to the Zarnuka incident was discovered recently by researcher Yuval Ben Bassat, in the Istanbul Archives, a petition written to Sultan Mehmet V by heads of families in the area.

The petitioners present themselves as, "We, the residents of villages neighboring with the Jewish colonies of Daran [Rehovot] and Lun Kara (Rishon Leztion)," and complain that the Jews "wanted to strip the camel owner of their clothes, money and camels, but these men refused to give their camels and escaped from Lun Kara with their camels, protecting each other [to seek refuge with] men of the law… The above mentioned Jews attacked our villages, robbed and looted our property, killed and even damaged the family honor, all this in a manner we find hard to put in words."

The villagers continue to voice their grievances about the Jewish attitude, the amassing of forbidden arms in the Jewish colonies, and even of bribery: "By payments they do whatever they want, as if they have a small government of their own in the country."

New documents reveal early Palestinian attitudes toward Zionist settlements - Israel News Haaretz