Do any of you white so called Christians

[hadit]

Exactly. Jesus was making it clear to the religious authorities of the day that their legalistic approach to obeying the law would get them nowhere.

It was not the legalistic approach it was the literal approach where the man fell short.

Material wealth had nothing to do with it. Wealth is not a sin the man placed before God. That is you inserting something into the story that is not there. His error was in the way he followed the law. Jesus said to sell off all of that and follow him, not follow him around Judea but follow his teaching about what is the only right way to interpret and conform to the divine commands that fulfills the promise of life.

Whether you are rich or poor, unless you sell off all of that garbage that addles your head you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

You are deliberately ignoring my point. Wealth is neither right nor wrong, but placing it before God certainly is. That was the man's failure. Remember the first of the Ten Commandment.

Having wealth does not mean that he placed wealth before God. His lifelong dedication to the law shows that he placed God before wealth.

What the man had to give up in order to follow Jesus was the way he had followed the law for his entire life..

Having wealth was not his sin and I keep telling you that. His sin was placing that wealth ahead of God in his life, and that is obvious from what Jesus told him to do and from his disobedience. It's just that simple.

Your interpretation falls short when you realize the Jesus not only told the man to divest himself of his great possessions, but to give the proceeds to the poor. If Jesus was telling him to give up a belief pattern, why would He tell the man to give them to the poor? That just makes no sense. It's far more logical to assume that the Scripture means what it says.

 

[hobelim]

Exactly. Jesus was making it clear to the religious authorities of the day that their legalistic approach to obeying the law would get them nowhere.

It was not the legalistic approach it was the literal approach where the man fell short.

Material wealth had nothing to do with it. Wealth is not a sin the man placed before God. That is you inserting something into the story that is not there. His error was in the way he followed the law. Jesus said to sell off all of that and follow him, not follow him around Judea but follow his teaching about what is the only right way to interpret and conform to the divine commands that fulfills the promise of life.

Whether you are rich or poor, unless you sell off all of that garbage that addles your head you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

You are deliberately ignoring my point. Wealth is neither right nor wrong, but placing it before God certainly is. That was the man's failure. Remember the first of the Ten Commandment.

Having wealth does not mean that he placed wealth before God. His lifelong dedication to the law shows that he placed God before wealth.

What the man had to give up in order to follow Jesus was the way he had followed the law for his entire life..

Having wealth was not his sin and I keep telling you that. His sin was placing that wealth ahead of God in his life, and that is obvious from what Jesus told him to do and from his disobedience. It's just that simple.

Your interpretation falls short when you realize the Jesus not only told the man to divest himself of his great possessions, but to give the proceeds to the poor. If Jesus was telling him to give up a belief pattern, why would He tell the man to give them to the poor? That just makes no sense. It's far more logical to assume that the Scripture means what it says.

Why tell him to give in charity to the poor? The poor in spirit need nourishment. If he was expected to give up the way he had been practicing the law he would have had to account to the people in his life for the change and explain why he was abandoning his and their lifelong dedication to a literal application of the law to follow the teaching of Jesus about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects in the law.

As I said before him having many possessions indicates that he was a rabbi and keeper of a traditional wealth of knowledge, the head of a large congregation of Jews dedicated to following the literal letter of the law..

He couldn't very well keep his position and continue practicing the law and teaching others to do the same in the way he had always done and follow Jesus who taught something new and superior in substance that actually made clear the will and wisdom of God..

 

[hadit]

Exactly. Jesus was making it clear to the religious authorities of the day that their legalistic approach to obeying the law would get them nowhere.

It was not the legalistic approach it was the literal approach where the man fell short.

Material wealth had nothing to do with it. Wealth is not a sin the man placed before God. That is you inserting something into the story that is not there. His error was in the way he followed the law. Jesus said to sell off all of that and follow him, not follow him around Judea but follow his teaching about what is the only right way to interpret and conform to the divine commands that fulfills the promise of life.

Whether you are rich or poor, unless you sell off all of that garbage that addles your head you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

You are deliberately ignoring my point. Wealth is neither right nor wrong, but placing it before God certainly is. That was the man's failure. Remember the first of the Ten Commandment.

Having wealth does not mean that he placed wealth before God. His lifelong dedication to the law shows that he placed God before wealth.

What the man had to give up in order to follow Jesus was the way he had followed the law for his entire life..

Having wealth was not his sin and I keep telling you that. His sin was placing that wealth ahead of God in his life, and that is obvious from what Jesus told him to do and from his disobedience. It's just that simple.

Your interpretation falls short when you realize the Jesus not only told the man to divest himself of his great possessions, but to give the proceeds to the poor. If Jesus was telling him to give up a belief pattern, why would He tell the man to give them to the poor? That just makes no sense. It's far more logical to assume that the Scripture means what it says.

Why tell him to give in charity to the poor? The poor in spirit need nourishment. If he was expected to give up the way he had been practicing the law he would have had to account to the people in his life for the change and explain why he was abandoning his and their lifelong dedication to a literal application of the law to follow the teaching of Jesus about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects in the law.

As I said before him having many possessions indicates that he was a rabbi and keeper of a traditional wealth of knowledge, the head of a large congregation of Jews dedicated to following the literal letter of the law..

That's an assumption. He could as easily simply been a wealthy man.

He couldn't very well keep his position and continue practicing the law and teaching others to do the same in the way he had always done and follow Jesus who taught something new and superior in substance that actually made clear the will and wisdom of God..

Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, so to say he was to stop teaching it is foolish. In fact, it wasn't until the early church was established that Paul made it clear that Gentile converts were not expected to become Jews and obey the Mosaic Law. No, it just simply makes more sense to take the Word as it is written, that this man was worldly wealthy, thought himself to be righteous and Jesus showed him that he was not.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, so to say he was to stop teaching it is foolish.

This is the crux of the issue.

To fulfill the law is to comply with its demands. Jesus taught and demonstrated the only right way to interpret and comply with the figurative words of the law which reveal the hidden subjects that lead to life. Jesus fulfilling the law in this way does you no good whatsoever unless you receive his teaching and follow his example, eat his flesh and drink his blood. Unless you do this you can have no life in you, even if you never ate bacon in your entire life

The only thing about the law that became obsolete upon the revelation of Jesus was the wrong way to follow the law, the superficial literal interpretation based on the Talmud, what Jesus called the traditions of men, that rendered the purpose of the written law null and void.

Thats what Jesus challenged the man to give up, the wrong way to follow the law.


The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again and for sheer joy went out and sold everything he owned and bought that field." Matthew 13:44

 

[hadit]

Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, so to say he was to stop teaching it is foolish.

This is the crux of the issue.

To fulfill the law is to comply with its demands. Jesus taught and demonstrated the only right way to interpret and comply with the figurative words of the law which reveal the hidden subjects that lead to life. Jesus fulfilling the law in this way does you no good whatsoever unless you receive his teaching and follow his example, eat his flesh and drink his blood. Unless you do this you can have no life in you, even if you never ate bacon in your entire life

The only thing about the law that became obsolete upon the revelation of Jesus was the wrong way to follow the law, the superficial literal interpretation based on the Talmud, what Jesus called the traditions of men, that rendered the purpose of the written law null and void.

Thats what Jesus challenged the man to give up, the wrong way to follow the law.

The sad thing is, you are partially correct. Jesus DID raise the bar when it came to obeying God and following the spirit more than the letter of the law, demonstrating that it is impossible for man to be righteous on his own. How can one, for example, follow the first of the Ten Commandments if not through the heart? That was the man's failing. Although he thought he had followed the law since childhood, he was neglecting the very first one.

 

[hobelim]

The sad thing is, you are partially correct. Jesus DID raise the bar when it came to obeying God and following the spirit more than the letter of the law, demonstrating that it is impossible for man to be righteous on his own.

You still don't seem to understand. A person can follow the literal letter of the law and never eat bacon for their entire lives while remaining guilty of violating the same law exact that prohibits eating the flesh of any unclean creature that does not ruminate because the teaching that a person can become holy by eating or abstaining from certain food is the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

And it is true that it is impossible for anyone to be righteous for as long that the way to life remains hidden from them in the same way that it is impossible to receive the eternal life promised by Jesus for eating his flesh and drinking his blood for as long as you continue dicking around with bread and wine....

Now there is no longer any excuse whether you are Jew or Gentile, rich or poor, male or female, gay or straight, young or old, republican or democrat, sinner or saint, cop or criminal.........

 

[hadit]

The sad thing is, you are partially correct. Jesus DID raise the bar when it came to obeying God and following the spirit more than the letter of the law, demonstrating that it is impossible for man to be righteous on his own.

You still don't seem to understand. A person can follow the literal letter of the law and never eat bacon for their entire lives while remaining guilty of violating the same law exact that prohibits eating the flesh of any unclean creature that does not ruminate because the teaching that a person can become holy by eating or abstaining from certain food is the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

And it is true that it is impossible for anyone to be righteous for as long that the way to life remains hidden from them in the same way that it is impossible to receive the eternal life promised by Jesus for eating his flesh and drinking his blood for as long as you continue dicking around with bread and wine....

Now there is no longer any excuse whether you are Jew or Gentile, rich or poor, male or female, gay or straight, young or old, republican or democrat, sinner or saint, cop or criminal.........

And as those followers of the Law have told us,

Jesus is
“‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.