Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

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Start with the definition of sin not what some people say it is.

Definition of SIN

an offense against religious or moral law; an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible; an often serious shortcoming : fault… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

You seem to think that Buddhism is the same as your religion in its structure. It isn't

There is no god in Buddhism, no god given laws no original sin, nothing that can be forgiven by a god or higher power no punishment or retribution that can be imposed by a god. In Buddhism the individual is responsible for his own suffering and can end it at anytime without the forgiveness of a god

Buddhism follows a different conceptual framework from the Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. As a result, many of the ideas and definitions found in Buddhism differ from those found in other religions. The monotheistic idea of sin found in the Abrahamic religions is a foreign concept to the Buddhist belief system.


This is a case of there not being an adequate English word for the Buddhist concept.

All I need is to know that Buddhism teaches that there are things we should avoid. Things that are not beneficial. That's the rose you deny exists.

I've provided you with enough evidence already.

 

[GreatestIam]

That's too deep for me. I believe that knowledge of good an evil is an artifact of intelligence. I believe all that ancient man was saying is that man stands apart from the rest of creation because he has knowledge of good and evil.

Most animals that process information of any kind that is not just nerve reflex will have notions or impulses they would name good and evil.

Ask any animal that moves away from fire.

Regards
DL

 

[surada]

Did God create evil? - CompellingTruth.org
If God created all things, He must have created evil. However, evil is not a 'thing' like a rock or a puppy. Just as cold is the absence of heat, evil is merely the absence of good. Therefore, creating good was all that was necessary for its opposite to come into being.

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[GreatestIam]

And man punishes himself by not taking accountability when he does wrong.

IOW, when Christians try to use Jesus as savior and scapegoat. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

It is likely that Jesus was speaking to his Father or His Father was speaking to him.

A split personality in an androgynous god makes Jesus a female.

Why are Christians thinking Jesus that Jesus is a man when he would have to be female?

Regards
DL

 

[surada]

Did God Create Evil? - Cross Examined
Jul 10, 2018 · Therefore, God created all things and created the conditions where a person could do good or evil. But, God did not create evil, because evil is not a thing to be created. It is not like a virus or slab of concrete. Evil is an attribute. It is a personal rejection of the good, the good which is an attribute of God. The Moral Character of God.

Estimated Reading Time: 7 mins
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[GreatestIam]

The bible does not teach that we have no free will. If we didn't have free will, we would be forced to be good little angels.

Pharaoh had the free will to change his mind anytime he wanted to.

Yahweh is good and never sinned when he was born on this earth.

I don't know of any genocidal, homophobic, or misogynous God. Satan is that way but he is no God.

So a person can ignore the direct intervention of your prick of a god.

Interesting to know that even Yahweh cannot breach the ability to deceive us all that he put into Satan.

You do not seem to believe in the attributes people see in the prick you follow.

Too bad you want to live in deception and promoting evil.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

It reads "And the Lord God said"....

You should know better than to introduce facts.

Most have forgotten that Yahweh was an androgynous god.

Handy that as if Jesus was a product of Yahweh and Mary, Jesus would have been female all of her life.

That is partly why literalism is dumb.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

There is no rose.

There is no concept of sin in Buddhism.

There is nothing forbidden and there are no punishments or rewards.

Analogical thinking might be useful here.

Buddhists do not believe in a god that will punish those who commit sins. Instead, the Buddhist belief in karma, or the notion that every action has a consequence, holds that punishment comes as a natural result of hurtful acts.

Karma, even as I see that as victim blaming, --- most see as punishment or reward.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

In the story didn't God harden Pharaoh's heart?

Yes.

Pharaoh was going to let the people go but changed his mind thanks to having his heart hardened.

Scriptures indicate it was to basically show off later.

God is shown countless times doing things to humans, like making them kill others.

That negates any free will the victims have to live, as well as the murderers to not murder.

Moses showed mercy in one of the genocides and did not murder all the children, and he was soundly punished by god for that miscue.

Regards
DL

 

[surada]

Who really wrote the Book of Job?

Job, possibly the strangest book in the bible, is based on legends going back thousands of years, and is written in a very unusual form of Hebrew.

www.haaretz.com

Who really wrote the Book of Job? - Jewish World - Haaretz.com
Sep 14, 2016 · The Talmud (redacted at about 500 CE) has several versions. The Talmud (Bava Barta 14b) says it was written by Moses, but then on the next page (15a), rabbis Jonathan and Eliezer say Job was among those who returned from the Babylonian Exile in 538 BCE, which was about seven centuries after Moses’ supposed death.

 

[GreatestIam]

Did God create evil? - CompellingTruth.org
If God created all things, He must have created evil. However, evil is not a 'thing' like a rock or a puppy. Just as cold is the absence of heat, evil is merely the absence of good. Therefore, creating good was all that was necessary for its opposite to come into being.

Global web iconhttps://www.compellingtruth.org/did-God-create-evil.html

IOW.

Let's all recognize that we live in a dualistic reality.

In this universe, there is some harm in all care and evil in all good.

Nice that we default to doing a lot more good than evil.

That is helping good people kill the god religions.

Check the stats and rejoice.

Regards
DL

 

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Most animals that process information of any kind that is not just nerve reflex will have notions or impulses they would name good and evil.

Ask any animal that moves away from fire.

Regards
DL

The sheep doesn't see the wolf as evil for eating her lamb.

 

[ding]

IOW, when Christians try to use Jesus as savior and scapegoat. Right?

Regards
DL

God thing we don't do that.

You can file this under another ridiculous rendition of yours.

Anyone who attacks a rival religion like you do is a religious fanatic who should darwinize himself out of existence as soon as practically possible. I have no doubt that your end will be painful and totally your own doing. Failed behaviors naturally lead to failure.

 

[GreatestIam]

Did God Create Evil? - Cross Examined
Jul 10, 2018 · Therefore, God created all things and created the conditions where a person could do good or evil. But, God did not create evil, because evil is not a thing to be created. It is not like a virus or slab of concrete. Evil is an attribute. It is a personal rejection of the good, the good which is an attribute of God. The Moral Character of God.

Estimated Reading Time: 7 mins
Global web icon StackPath

If god did not create evil, then, given that in scriptures it is used as an antonym to good, you are saying that god also did not create good.

To your last, to me, lie, your god uses genocide quite often, even as he could cure instead of kill.

Tell us please, which of those, killing or curing, a god would use.

I think only an evil entity would kill instead of cure.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

The sheep doesn't see the wolf as evil for eating her lamb.

So you think like a sheeple.

Thank you for accepting my point.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

God thing we don't do that.

You can file this under another ridiculous rendition of yours.

Anyone who attacks a rival religion like you do is a religious fanatic who should darwinize himself out of existence as soon as practically possible. I have no doubt that your end will be painful and totally your own doing. Failed behaviors naturally lead to failure.

So you think the good should not fight the evil and let it grow.

Nice ideology that, ass hole.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

So you think like a sheeple.

Thank you for accepting my point.

Regards
DL

No. I think like the guy who puts down the wolf. You are the wolf.

 

[ding]

So you think the good should not fight the evil and let it grow.

Nice ideology that, ass hole.

Regards
DL

You are the aggressor attacking a rival religion. That makes you the evil.

 

[Colin norris]

Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was through Adam, even though Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh’s plan.

Given the necessity, Adam, from that, may not be the culpable one and his punishment would be unjust.

Satan had already sinned in heaven before being cast into Eden.

It can be truthfully said that she was the first sinner on earth if we ignore Yahweh.

Further, would you say that Eve sinned, given that Satan or the talking serpent deceived her?

That deception would take lies, and that is a sin, and that sin also preceded Adam’s sin.

Many do not see what the serpent says as a lie, which complicates things.

Was the initial sin, regardless of who did it, a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan like Christians sing in their Exultet hymn?

Did Yahweh lie when he told Adam that he would die if he educated himself with the knowledge in the Tree of Knowledge?

Why and how does knowledge kill us?

If it does, should we keep our children as blind to it as Adam and Eve initially were?

The Eden myth can get quite complicated, especially when Christians call it a fall, then say it was necessary so as not to derail Yahweh’s plan.

This last being what the Jews wrote into their myth and which they say is not the Original Sin of the Christian interpretation, but more like the Original virtue that the Jews call it.

The opposite of what Christianity says, if you ignore their happy fault view.

In terms of first sin, I see Yahweh, since sin was necessary to him as the first sinner, followed by Satan, Yahweh’s loyal opposition and teacher of humankind, and then Adam.

Why Eve at the end of Genesis 3 has to then be second class to Adam, --- he shall rule over you, --- would seem like Yahweh punishing the wrong party.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

Very little thought is required here. Adam or sin never existed. Its a nice novel theory but has the validity of pure air.

It never happened.