Zone1 The Immaculate Conception is a sin

[Zebra]

virgin birth?
that is not what is meant in thethread title

 

[surada]

virgin birth?
that is not what is meant in thethread title

He doesn't know what the Immaculate Conception is.

 

[surada]

Says who? There is nothing in the Scriptures to support this. The only person who went through life sinless was Jesus Christ. Being a virgin doesn’t mean sinless. With that logic, Mary’s mother and father would also have to have been conceived immaculately as well. And so on…

You're just ignorant. Mary was conceived without the sin of Adam and Eve. That sin was not sexual intercourse. It was disobedience.

Original sin was not Christian doctrine until the 3rd century. Neither Jews nor Muslims buy into it.

 

[surada]

In vitro fertilization was found through mythology? Tell a doctor about your problems.

Original sin is the Christian doctrine that holds that humans, through the fact of birth, inherit a tainted nature with a proclivity to sinful conduct in need of regeneration. The biblical basis for the belief is generally found in Genesis 3, in a line in Psalm 51:5, and in Paul's Epistle to the Romans, 5:12-21.

 

[Zebra]

He doesn't know what the Immaculate Conception is.

he makes the usual mistake ….

 

[Zebra]

You're just ignorant. Mary was conceived without the sin of Adam and Eve. That sin was not sexual intercourse. It was disobedience.

Original sin was not Christian doctrine until the 3rd century. Neither Jews nor Muslims buy into it.

well said!

 

[surada]

Judaism's Rejection of Original Sin

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The doctrine of original sin is totally unacceptable to Jews (as it is to Christian sects such as Baptists and Assemblies of G-d). Jews believe that man enters the world free of sin, with a soul that is pure and innocent and untainted. While there were some Jewish teachers in Talmudic times who believed that death was a punishment brought upon mankind on account of Adam's sin, the dominant view by far was that man sins because he is not a perfect being, and not, as Christianity teaches, because he is inherently sinful.

 

[surada]

The concept of Original Sin is not part of Islamic doctrine. Muslims believe humans are born without sin and with a desire to please God. We have free will, which causes us to go astray at times, but God is always willing to forgive.

 

[Cougarbear]

Mary herself is the Immaculate Conception, not Jesus.

She had earthly parents. Natural conception. Nothing immaculate.

 

[surada]

She had earthly parents. Natural conception. Nothing immaculate.

Mary was born without original sin.. has nothing to do with sex.

 

[Cougarbear]

You're just ignorant. Mary was conceived without the sin of Adam and Eve. That sin was not sexual intercourse. It was disobedience.

Original sin was not Christian doctrine until the 3rd century. Neither Jews nor Muslims buy into it.

Only ignorant Catholics do. Putting another human being at the same place as Jesus Christ. Sad.

 

[surada]

Only ignorant Catholics do. Putting another human being at the same place as Jesus Christ. Sad.

Lol you're dumb as a stump. You still haven't a clue.

 

[Cougarbear]

Lol you're dumb as a stump. You still haven't a clue.

There’s only one person who never sinned. Jesus Christ. Not Mary.

 

[surada]

There’s only one person who never sinned. Jesus Christ. Not Mary.

Mary was born without original sin.

 

[ding]

Yaldabaoth, otherwise known as Jaldabaoth or Ialdabaoth, is a malevolent god and "demiurge" in various Gnostic sects and movements, sometimes represented as a theriomorphic, lion-headed serpent. He is identified as the false god who keeps the souls trapped in physical bodies, imprisoned in the material universe. Wikipedia

~S~

The Gnostic Christians had a hard time reconciling the "God" of the OT with the "God" of the NT, so they assumed there must be two gods. In a lot of ways - this apparent conflict - is still causing problems to this day. The protestants tend to dismiss the OT and the new age atheists assume there must be no God because they can't reconcile the two presentations of God.

 

[Cougarbear]

Mary was born without original sin.

Sure she was…Only Jesus wasn’t. She is a progenitor of Adam and Eve.

 

[BackAgain]

Early Christian Gnostic texts view this as a sin. Sophia, from whom the Virgin Mary descended, in a fit of shameless desire gave birth to the monster Jaldabaoth - a snake with the head of a lion. This was the creator of this ugly world. She threw him into the lower eon so that no one would see her shame.

This is written in the Gospel of Ioan (apocrypha)

This myth has even more ancient roots. It points to Eve's connection with snakes and its origins in the myth of Tiamat, who gave birth to chaos and Evil

And Jaldabaoth is considered identical to the Abrahamic god Yahweh

Oh.

 

[surada]

Sure she was…Only Jesus wasn’t. She is a progenitor of Adam and Eve.

You still don't know what original sin is. Jews don't believe in it at all... Nor do Muslims.

 

[surada]

Cougarbear
Mormons do not believe in the idea of original sin - that all human beings are tarnished with sin from birth because Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. Mormons believe that eating the forbidden fruit was not wrong in itself but was a transgression of God's instructions.Oct 5, 2009
BBC - Home › salvation_1
Religions - Mormon: Salvation and Atonement - BBC

 

[BreezeWood]

Mary herself is the Immaculate Conception, not Jesus.

all are born immaculate, mary just never crossed the line to have sinned perhaps jesus inherently chose the same path being as both were blessed by the heavens during their lifetimes.