Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

[GreatestIam]

Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?


God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.


Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.


Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.


Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?


There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.


If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?


Thanks.


Regards

DL

Sorry, don't believe we are sinners.

Because you reject the word sin due to not being a believer, or because you do not think you have even cause harm to another?

Regards
DL

You have positive and negative, not good and evil. Any harm you do will be revisited upon you in equal amounts. Sin is somebody's else's idea wrong.

Sin is considered evil even if you do not like the term.

How do you get to think equal amount will always find a perpetrator?

If I kill you, where is the equal amount?

Regards
DL

I don't care what you believe as you should not care what I believe. I have interest in speaking to people of different religions. Having studied and gone to the major churches, I find their descriptions of beauty and grace uplifting and each has their own unique truth. When they discuss Hell, evil , or sin, their arguments fall apart. Stick with "Have a blessed day", not "you are going to Hell for that".

They should, yes. They do not.

You do not seem to live by the Golden Rule if you care that little of what others think or believe.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

there is no god and no sin

Your first is a logical fallacy. The proper working should be, there is likely no god. Leave it to theists to offer such language. Those who do not believe should stay away from their unproven lies about god.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?


God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.


Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.


Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.


Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?


There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.


If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?


Thanks.


Regards

DL

Sorry, don't believe we are sinners.

Really. You have never thought anything evil? Lied or deceived someone? Said something hurtful or cruel to anyone? You have lived an utterly perfect life, right to this very moment?

Very impressive.

That is YOUR concept of evil-not mine

Evil isn't extant. It only exists as the absence of good. It's like darkness or cold. They only exist as the absence of light and the absence of heat.

If you think about it, no one does "evil" for the sake of "evil." People do "evil" for the sake of their own good.

Good and evil are constructs of man because they are artifacts of intelligence. Animals don't have a concept of good and evil. Just men.

 

[ding]

there is no god and no sin

Your first is a logical fallacy. The proper working should be, there is likely no god. Leave it to theists to offer such language. Those who do not believe should stay away from their unproven lies about god.

Regards
DL

Is that a Gnostic Christian belief? That there is likely no god?

You do claim to be a Gnostic Christian, right?

Is that their belief? That there is likely no god?

 

[GreatestIam]

Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?


God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.


Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.


Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.


Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?


There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.


If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?


Thanks.


Regards

DL

Sorry, don't believe we are sinners.

Really. You have never thought anything evil? Lied or deceived someone? Said something hurtful or cruel to anyone? You have lived an utterly perfect life, right to this very moment?

Very impressive.

That is YOUR concept of evil-not mine

Evil isn't extant. It only exists as the absence of good. It's like darkness or cold. They only exist as the absence of light and the absence of heat.

If you think about it, no one does "evil" for the sake of "evil." People do "evil" for the sake of their own good.

Good and evil are constructs of man because they are artifacts of intelligence. Animals don't have a concept of good and evil. Just men.

This is a demonstrable lie but you are not worth my time. I prefer to chat with intelligent people.

Regards
DL

 

[harmonica]

there is no god and no sin

Then you shouldn't have an expectation for fairness. But you do. And you can't seem to shake it either.

fairness in what??!!?

 

[ding]

Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?


God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.


Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.


Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.


Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?


There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.


If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?


Thanks.


Regards

DL

Sorry, don't believe we are sinners.

Really. You have never thought anything evil? Lied or deceived someone? Said something hurtful or cruel to anyone? You have lived an utterly perfect life, right to this very moment?

Very impressive.

That is YOUR concept of evil-not mine

Evil isn't extant. It only exists as the absence of good. It's like darkness or cold. They only exist as the absence of light and the absence of heat.

If you think about it, no one does "evil" for the sake of "evil." People do "evil" for the sake of their own good.

Good and evil are constructs of man because they are artifacts of intelligence. Animals don't have a concept of good and evil. Just men.

This is a demonstrable lie but you are not worth my time. I prefer to chat with intelligent people.

Regards
DL

How is it a lie? Which part? That evil isn't extant? No. It really doesn't exist. What you call evil is really just the absence of good.

That the concept of good and evil is unique to men? No. It really is. Sheep don't see wolves as evil for eating their lambs. It's an entirely human phenomenon.

So it must be that you don't believe that the human construct of the concept of good and evil is an artifact of intelligence. Is that what you believe the lie is?

 

[ding]

there is no god and no sin

Then you shouldn't have an expectation for fairness. But you do. And you can't seem to shake it either.

fairness in what??!!?

In anything, but especially fairness to you. You being treated fairly.

 

[GreatestIam]

there is no god and no sin

Your first is a logical fallacy. The proper working should be, there is likely no god. Leave it to theists to offer such language. Those who do not believe should stay away from their unproven lies about god.

Regards
DL

Is that a Gnostic Christian belief? That there is likely no god?

You do claim to be a Gnostic Christian, right?

Is that their belief? That there is likely no god?

No. It is the intelligent position when talking of mythical gods.

You, if I recall, have already been introduced to the Gnostic Christian view and definition of god.

You do know what kind of god Moses came down the mountain with.

Tell us. You can do this if you really try.

You have had your quota, troll, unless you actually make things interesting for me, which you have always failed to do.

You should be able to glean the answer to my question if you listen and watch with an open mind at the Moses reference. I am not even sure you have a mind but I am having a light day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

there is no god and no sin

Your first is a logical fallacy. The proper working should be, there is likely no god. Leave it to theists to offer such language. Those who do not believe should stay away from their unproven lies about god.

Regards
DL

Is that a Gnostic Christian belief? That there is likely no god?

You do claim to be a Gnostic Christian, right?

Is that their belief? That there is likely no god?

No. It is the intelligent position when talking of mythical gods.

You, if I recall, have already been introduced to the Gnostic Christian view and definition of god.

You do know what kind of god Moses came down the mountain with.

Tell us. You can do this if you really try.

You have had your quota, troll, unless you actually make things interesting for me, which you have always failed to do.

You should be able to glean the answer to my question if you listen and watch with an open mind at the Moses reference. I am not even sure you have a mind but I am having a light day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

Regards
DL

So you do believe in a God?

Is that correct?

 

[harmonica]

there is no god and no sin

Then you shouldn't have an expectation for fairness. But you do. And you can't seem to shake it either.

fairness in what??!!?

In anything, but especially fairness to you. You being treated fairly.

what are you talking about?

 

[GreatestIam]

Sheep don't see wolves as evil for eating their lambs.

Why then do they run away.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

there is no god and no sin

Then you shouldn't have an expectation for fairness. But you do. And you can't seem to shake it either.

fairness in what??!!?

In anything, but especially fairness to you. You being treated fairly.

what are you talking about?

That you shouldn't have an expectation to be treated fairly.

 

[ding]

Sheep don't see wolves as evil for eating their lambs.

Why then do they run away.

Regards
DL

So, you being a Gnostic Christian believe in a God, right?

 

[ding]

Sheep don't see wolves as evil for eating their lambs.

Why then do they run away.

Regards
DL

Do you think they run away because they see the wolves as evil? Seriously?

 

[GreatestIam]

there is no god and no sin

Your first is a logical fallacy. The proper working should be, there is likely no god. Leave it to theists to offer such language. Those who do not believe should stay away from their unproven lies about god.

Regards
DL

Is that a Gnostic Christian belief? That there is likely no god?

You do claim to be a Gnostic Christian, right?

Is that their belief? That there is likely no god?

No. It is the intelligent position when talking of mythical gods.

You, if I recall, have already been introduced to the Gnostic Christian view and definition of god.

You do know what kind of god Moses came down the mountain with.

Tell us. You can do this if you really try.

You have had your quota, troll, unless you actually make things interesting for me, which you have always failed to do.

You should be able to glean the answer to my question if you listen and watch with an open mind at the Moses reference. I am not even sure you have a mind but I am having a light day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

Regards
DL

So you do believe in a God?

Is that correct?

Is that what I said?

Is that what Moses came down the mountain with?

If you refuse to think and learn, that is on you.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

there is no god and no sin

Your first is a logical fallacy. The proper working should be, there is likely no god. Leave it to theists to offer such language. Those who do not believe should stay away from their unproven lies about god.

Regards
DL

Is that a Gnostic Christian belief? That there is likely no god?

You do claim to be a Gnostic Christian, right?

Is that their belief? That there is likely no god?

No. It is the intelligent position when talking of mythical gods.

You, if I recall, have already been introduced to the Gnostic Christian view and definition of god.

You do know what kind of god Moses came down the mountain with.

Tell us. You can do this if you really try.

You have had your quota, troll, unless you actually make things interesting for me, which you have always failed to do.

You should be able to glean the answer to my question if you listen and watch with an open mind at the Moses reference. I am not even sure you have a mind but I am having a light day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

Regards
DL

So you do believe in a God?

Is that correct?

Is that what I said?

Is that what Moses came down the mountain with?

If you refuse to think and learn, that is on you.

Regards
DL

Yes, you did. When I asked you if it was the Gnostic Christian belief that there is likely no God, you said no.

So tell me about the God you believe in.

 

[GreatestIam]

Sheep don't see wolves as evil for eating their lambs.

Why then do they run away.

Regards
DL

Do you think they run away because they see the wolves as evil? Seriously?

Thanks for ignoring the question and again showing you are just a stupid troll. Go do your garbage with someone else.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

Sorry, don't believe we are sinners.

Because you reject the word sin due to not being a believer, or because you do not think you have even cause harm to another?

Regards
DL

You have positive and negative, not good and evil. Any harm you do will be revisited upon you in equal amounts. Sin is somebody's else's idea wrong.

Sin is considered evil even if you do not like the term.

How do you get to think equal amount will always find a perpetrator?

If I kill you, where is the equal amount?

Regards
DL

I don't care what you believe as you should not care what I believe. I have interest in speaking to people of different religions. Having studied and gone to the major churches, I find their descriptions of beauty and grace uplifting and each has their own unique truth. When they discuss Hell, evil , or sin, their arguments fall apart. Stick with "Have a blessed day", not "you are going to Hell for that".

They should, yes. They do not.

You do not seem to live by the Golden Rule if you care that little of what others think or believe.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Regards
DL

I guess I might be confused. You're a Gnostic Christian. Which God are you talking about here?

Are you talking about the God you believe in?

If not, what's the name of the God you believe in?

 

[GreatestIam]

Your first is a logical fallacy. The proper working should be, there is likely no god. Leave it to theists to offer such language. Those who do not believe should stay away from their unproven lies about god.

Regards
DL

Is that a Gnostic Christian belief? That there is likely no god?

You do claim to be a Gnostic Christian, right?

Is that their belief? That there is likely no god?

No. It is the intelligent position when talking of mythical gods.

You, if I recall, have already been introduced to the Gnostic Christian view and definition of god.

You do know what kind of god Moses came down the mountain with.

Tell us. You can do this if you really try.

You have had your quota, troll, unless you actually make things interesting for me, which you have always failed to do.

You should be able to glean the answer to my question if you listen and watch with an open mind at the Moses reference. I am not even sure you have a mind but I am having a light day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

Regards
DL

So you do believe in a God?

Is that correct?

Is that what I said?

Is that what Moses came down the mountain with?

If you refuse to think and learn, that is on you.

Regards
DL

Yes, you did. When I asked you if it was the Gnostic Christian belief that there is likely no God, you said no.

So tell me about the God you believe in.

I have before and you did not pay attention.

Seems we are done. Have the couth to fuck off.

Regards
DL