Democrats will go it alone on healthcare

will be holding a loaded gun to their political heads and pulling the trigger with their own finger. ONLY 37% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT THIS OBAMACARE AND IT'S GOING LOWER BY THE MINUTE.

That is, until they're told what Obama proposes.

Then it jumps to 53% :lol:
really?

Also, while just 36 percent believe Obama’s efforts to reform the health system are a good idea, that number increases to 53 percent when respondents were read a paragraph describing Obama’s plans.

Latest NBC / WSJ poll
 
you mean they misshandled it?
only more reason it should have been slowed down and READ BEFORE VOTING
No. It was meant to go to the states. And that was stupid.
so, dont you think they should have actually read the damned thing so they KNEW what was happening?

Here's what was wrong with the stimulus...
EDITORIAL: Con games and stimulus cash - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com
As it turns out, most of that money is going where government always puts most of its money -- into fat paychecks for social service bureaucrats.

"Most of the roughly $300 billion coming directly to the states is being funneled through existing government programs for health care, education, unemployment benefits, food stamps and other social services," The Associated Press reported this week.

Two-thirds of recovery money that flows directly to states will go toward health care. Not hiring new doctors or nurses, mind you. Just paying medical bills for poor people -- and the salaries of those who handle this redistribution of your hard-earned cash.

By comparison, about 15 percent of the stimulus money will end up going for transportation -- including airports, highways and rail projects -- according to Federal Funds Information for States, a service of the National Governors Association and the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Overall, two-thirds of the stimulus funds will go to subsidize state budgets and unemployment compensation -- paying people not to work. Much smaller pieces of the pie will be allocated for weatherization, affordable housing and other projects designed to create jobs, The AP reports.

"We all talked about 'shovel-ready' since September and assumed it was a whole lot of paving and building when, in fact, that's not the case," explains Chris Whatley, the Washington director of the Council of State Governments, a trade group for states. He estimates states will get three times more money to prop up payrolls in the government schools than for transportation.


John Husing, a Southern California economist, agrees keeping teachers and cops employed could help prevent the recession from getting worse. But he says the stimulus package would have improved communities' ability to grow over the long haul if it had dedicated more money to public works -- as promised.

If the aim of the stimulus package was to jolt the economy, the government could have concentrated more of the money on areas that have suffered the steepest declines during the recession -- housing, autos, retail and restaurants -- says Edward Leamer, an economist with the Anderson School of Management at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Instead, in Georgia for instance, two-thirds of the $3.9 billion in "stimulus" funds the state expects to receive over the next 16 months will go to support existing social programs. Mississippi expects to spend only about 13 percent of its $2.8 billion in federal "stimulus" money on highways and bridges. The rest will be spent, as it is in other states, to preserve existing government programs and jobs.


No wonder unemployment is at 10% and our government is going to have very little to show for 787 billion dollars.
 
No. It was meant to go to the states. And that was stupid.
so, dont you think they should have actually read the damned thing so they KNEW what was happening?

Here's what was wrong with the stimulus...
EDITORIAL: Con games and stimulus cash - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com
As it turns out, most of that money is going where government always puts most of its money -- into fat paychecks for social service bureaucrats.

"Most of the roughly $300 billion coming directly to the states is being funneled through existing government programs for health care, education, unemployment benefits, food stamps and other social services," The Associated Press reported this week.

Two-thirds of recovery money that flows directly to states will go toward health care. Not hiring new doctors or nurses, mind you. Just paying medical bills for poor people -- and the salaries of those who handle this redistribution of your hard-earned cash.

By comparison, about 15 percent of the stimulus money will end up going for transportation -- including airports, highways and rail projects -- according to Federal Funds Information for States, a service of the National Governors Association and the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Overall, two-thirds of the stimulus funds will go to subsidize state budgets and unemployment compensation -- paying people not to work. Much smaller pieces of the pie will be allocated for weatherization, affordable housing and other projects designed to create jobs, The AP reports.

"We all talked about 'shovel-ready' since September and assumed it was a whole lot of paving and building when, in fact, that's not the case," explains Chris Whatley, the Washington director of the Council of State Governments, a trade group for states. He estimates states will get three times more money to prop up payrolls in the government schools than for transportation.


John Husing, a Southern California economist, agrees keeping teachers and cops employed could help prevent the recession from getting worse. But he says the stimulus package would have improved communities' ability to grow over the long haul if it had dedicated more money to public works -- as promised.

If the aim of the stimulus package was to jolt the economy, the government could have concentrated more of the money on areas that have suffered the steepest declines during the recession -- housing, autos, retail and restaurants -- says Edward Leamer, an economist with the Anderson School of Management at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Instead, in Georgia for instance, two-thirds of the $3.9 billion in "stimulus" funds the state expects to receive over the next 16 months will go to support existing social programs. Mississippi expects to spend only about 13 percent of its $2.8 billion in federal "stimulus" money on highways and bridges. The rest will be spent, as it is in other states, to preserve existing government programs and jobs.


No wonder unemployment is at 10% and our government is going to have very little to show for 787 billion dollars.

Like I asked above, what percentage has been distributed so far?

And that is why I think it was a HUGE mistake to hand this over to the states. They should have funded massive federal works projects.
 
That is, until they're told what Obama proposes.

Then it jumps to 53% :lol:
really?

Also, while just 36 percent believe Obama’s efforts to reform the health system are a good idea, that number increases to 53 percent when respondents were read a paragraph describing Obama’s plans.

Latest NBC / WSJ poll

and the paragraph:

The plan requires that health insurance companies cover people with pre-existing medical conditions. It also requires all but the smallest employers to provide health coverage for their employees, or pay a percentage of their payroll to help fund coverage for the uninsured. Families and individuals with lower- and middle- incomes would receive tax credits to help them afford insurance coverage. Some of the funding for this plan would come from raising taxes on wealthier Americans.


all this demonstrates is the desire for real reform. Interesting in debating with the unconscionable nay-sayers. They care, but not at the expense of the vast majority.
 
That is, until they're told what Obama proposes.

Then it jumps to 53% :lol:
really?

Also, while just 36 percent believe Obama’s efforts to reform the health system are a good idea, that number increases to 53 percent when respondents were read a paragraph describing Obama’s plans.

Latest NBC / WSJ poll
still reading it
but this stands out as not likely to give an accurate results

1. Do you have a landline in addition to your cell phone, or is your cell phone the only telephone you have?
Have a landline .................................
-
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]TERMINATE [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][138] [/FONT][/FONT]
Cell phone is only telephone .............
100
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]CONTINUE [/FONT][/FONT]
Not sure ..........................................
-
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]TERMINATE [/FONT][/FONT]



kinda tells me they didnt want a real results
 
so, dont you think they should have actually read the damned thing so they KNEW what was happening?

Here's what was wrong with the stimulus...
EDITORIAL: Con games and stimulus cash - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com
As it turns out, most of that money is going where government always puts most of its money -- into fat paychecks for social service bureaucrats.

"Most of the roughly $300 billion coming directly to the states is being funneled through existing government programs for health care, education, unemployment benefits, food stamps and other social services," The Associated Press reported this week.

Two-thirds of recovery money that flows directly to states will go toward health care. Not hiring new doctors or nurses, mind you. Just paying medical bills for poor people -- and the salaries of those who handle this redistribution of your hard-earned cash.

By comparison, about 15 percent of the stimulus money will end up going for transportation -- including airports, highways and rail projects -- according to Federal Funds Information for States, a service of the National Governors Association and the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Overall, two-thirds of the stimulus funds will go to subsidize state budgets and unemployment compensation -- paying people not to work. Much smaller pieces of the pie will be allocated for weatherization, affordable housing and other projects designed to create jobs, The AP reports.

"We all talked about 'shovel-ready' since September and assumed it was a whole lot of paving and building when, in fact, that's not the case," explains Chris Whatley, the Washington director of the Council of State Governments, a trade group for states. He estimates states will get three times more money to prop up payrolls in the government schools than for transportation.


John Husing, a Southern California economist, agrees keeping teachers and cops employed could help prevent the recession from getting worse. But he says the stimulus package would have improved communities' ability to grow over the long haul if it had dedicated more money to public works -- as promised.

If the aim of the stimulus package was to jolt the economy, the government could have concentrated more of the money on areas that have suffered the steepest declines during the recession -- housing, autos, retail and restaurants -- says Edward Leamer, an economist with the Anderson School of Management at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Instead, in Georgia for instance, two-thirds of the $3.9 billion in "stimulus" funds the state expects to receive over the next 16 months will go to support existing social programs. Mississippi expects to spend only about 13 percent of its $2.8 billion in federal "stimulus" money on highways and bridges. The rest will be spent, as it is in other states, to preserve existing government programs and jobs.


No wonder unemployment is at 10% and our government is going to have very little to show for 787 billion dollars.

Like I asked above, what percentage has been distributed so far?

And that is why I think it was a HUGE mistake to hand this over to the states. They should have funded massive federal works projects.

What the hell are you talking about? The governors were crying for more infrastructure, yet the federal appropriators padded welfare programs and is only going to distribute 15% to infrastructure.

So whether or not it has been spent, isn't relevant only 15% is going towards infrastructure
 
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Also, while just 36 percent believe Obama’s efforts to reform the health system are a good idea, that number increases to 53 percent when respondents were read a paragraph describing Obama’s plans.

Latest NBC / WSJ poll

and the paragraph:

The plan requires that health insurance companies cover people with pre-existing medical conditions. It also requires all but the smallest employers to provide health coverage for their employees, or pay a percentage of their payroll to help fund coverage for the uninsured. Families and individuals with lower- and middle- incomes would receive tax credits to help them afford insurance coverage. Some of the funding for this plan would come from raising taxes on wealthier Americans.


all this demonstrates is the desire for real reform. Interesting in debating with the unconscionable nay-sayers. They care, but not at the expense of the vast majority.
and the majority said they think it needs reform, not rebuiling it
 
Lots of silliness here.

The stimulus is working or things would be much worse.
 

Also, while just 36 percent believe Obama’s efforts to reform the health system are a good idea, that number increases to 53 percent when respondents were read a paragraph describing Obama’s plans.

Latest NBC / WSJ poll
still reading it
but this stands out as not likely to give an accurate results

1. Do you have a landline in addition to your cell phone, or is your cell phone the only telephone you have?
Have a landline .................................
-
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]TERMINATE [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][138] [/FONT][/FONT]
Cell phone is only telephone .............
100
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]CONTINUE [/FONT][/FONT]
Not sure ..........................................
-
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]TERMINATE [/FONT][/FONT]



kinda tells me they didnt want a real results

How so?
 
Also, while just 36 percent believe Obama’s efforts to reform the health system are a good idea, that number increases to 53 percent when respondents were read a paragraph describing Obama’s plans.

Latest NBC / WSJ poll
still reading it
but this stands out as not likely to give an accurate results

1. Do you have a landline in addition to your cell phone, or is your cell phone the only telephone you have?
Have a landline .................................
-
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]TERMINATE [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][138] [/FONT][/FONT]
Cell phone is only telephone .............
100
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]CONTINUE [/FONT][/FONT]
Not sure ..........................................
-
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]TERMINATE [/FONT][/FONT]



kinda tells me they didnt want a real results

How so?
they only polled cell phone users
they didnt want any land line or other
they terminated the calls
 
Lots of silliness here.

The stimulus is working or things would be much worse.

Maybe for those among us who are free loading...not mentioning any names...umm..umm...Chrissy

When the right has no facts, they resort to personal insults.

The problem is, they never have facts.

When an entire economy collapses, the government has to be the demand of last resort. The Congress and the President did that, and it is working.

Otherwise things would be much worse.
 
still reading it
but this stands out as not likely to give an accurate results

1. Do you have a landline in addition to your cell phone, or is your cell phone the only telephone you have?
Have a landline .................................
-
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]TERMINATE [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][138] [/FONT][/FONT]
Cell phone is only telephone .............
100
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]CONTINUE [/FONT][/FONT]
Not sure ..........................................
-
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]TERMINATE [/FONT][/FONT]



kinda tells me they didnt want a real results

How so?
they only polled cell phone users
they didnt want any land line or other
they terminated the calls
No, they didn't.

Look up at the top right of the page.

81 out of 805 respondents were reached by cell.

The title to the question you quoted says:

(ASKED ONLY OF SAMPLE TYPE 2--CELL PHONE ONLY RESPONDENTS.)

They terminate anyone of those contacted on cell phones who said they had a landline too (or didn't know lol).

That's so they don't inadvertently poll the same person twice (by cell and landline).

Thus it makes it a MORE reliable poll.
 
they only polled cell phone users
they didnt want any land line or other
they terminated the calls
No, they didn't.

Look up at the top right of the page.

81 out of 805 respondents were reached by cell.

The title to the question you quoted says:

(ASKED ONLY OF SAMPLE TYPE 2--CELL PHONE ONLY RESPONDENTS.)

They terminate anyone of those contacted on cell phones who said they had a landline too (or didn't know lol).

That's so they don't inadvertently poll the same person twice (by cell and landline).

Thus it makes it a MORE reliable poll.
ah, ok, my mistake
 
Lots of silliness here.

The stimulus is working or things would be much worse.

Maybe for those among us who are free loading...not mentioning any names...umm..umm...Chrissy

When the right has no facts, they resort to personal insults.

The problem is, they never have facts.

When an entire economy collapses, the government has to be the demand of last resort. The Congress and the President did that, and it is working.

Otherwise things would be much worse.

Yep and a much higher than expected unemployment rate is proof that is working.:cuckoo:

You insult yourself with every post that you write.
 
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Maybe for those among us who are free loading...not mentioning any names...umm..umm...Chrissy

When the right has no facts, they resort to personal insults.

The problem is, they never have facts.

When an entire economy collapses, the government has to be the demand of last resort. The Congress and the President did that, and it is working.

Otherwise things would be much worse.

Yep and a much higher than expected unemployment rate is proof that is working.:cuckoo:

You insult yourself with every post that you write.


Yer slippin. Now it is "expected", not "promised" by Obama.
 
Maybe for those among us who are free loading...not mentioning any names...umm..umm...Chrissy

When the right has no facts, they resort to personal insults.

The problem is, they never have facts.

When an entire economy collapses, the government has to be the demand of last resort. The Congress and the President did that, and it is working.

Otherwise things would be much worse.

Yep and a much higher than expected unemployment rate is proof that is working.:cuckoo:

You insult yourself with every post that you write.


Nice try, Pilgrim.

We are very lucky we didn't have another Great Depression. Now confidence is returning, but we still have a long way to go.
 
The interesting thing that will happen after Oama finally stops with this bi partisan crap is this....the righty's will say, but Obama is a liar, he said he wanted to have bi partisan support...he is doing this by himself. He is a liar even though no matter what he says, we are going to say no.

That is just sad.

Obama, you tied this bi partisan thing, its not working, they will try to stop you no matter what because they want you to fail so they can get control again in a few years.

Republicans could care less about how many people don't have insurance, they want power, screw the people.
 
The interesting thing that will happen after Oama finally stops with this bi partisan crap is this....the righty's will say, but Obama is a liar, he said he wanted to have bi partisan support...he is doing this by himself. He is a liar even though no matter what he says, we are going to say no.

That is just sad.

Obama, you tied this bi partisan thing, its not working, they will try to stop you no matter what because they want you to fail so they can get control again in a few years.

Republicans could care less about how many people don't have insurance, they want power, screw the people.

Power and money from their corporate masters.

Obama needs to stop trying to negotiate with the Republicans. Just pass the bill and in the end everyone will love it.
 
When the right has no facts, they resort to personal insults.

The problem is, they never have facts.

When an entire economy collapses, the government has to be the demand of last resort. The Congress and the President did that, and it is working.

Otherwise things would be much worse.

Yep and a much higher than expected unemployment rate is proof that is working.:cuckoo:

You insult yourself with every post that you write.


Nice try, Pilgrim.

We are very lucky we didn't have another Great Depression. Now confidence is returning, but we still have a long way to go.

Why 10% unemployment when the stimulus was all about jobs, jobs and more jobs? The stimulus has made things worse, it has tied up capital that could have been used to in the private sector. If the private sector had more capital to work with unemployment would be under 8%. Instead we have a government padding welfare.
 

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