Democracy Creates Jobs

[georgephillip]

FDR's version of big government created millions of jobs.

"The WPA was a national program that originated its own projects (in cooperation with state and local governments) and sometimes took over state and local relief programs that had originated in the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC) or FERA programs.

"Headed by Harry Hopkins, the WPA provided jobs and income to the unemployed during the Great Depression in the United States. Between 1935 and 1943, the WPA provided almost eight million jobs.[3] It never managed to come anywhere close to full demand for employment.[4]

"Liquidated on June 30, 1943 as a result of high employment due to the industry boom of World War Two, the WPA had provided millions of Americans with jobs for 8 years.[5] Most people who needed a job were eligible for at least some of its positions.[6] Hourly wages were typically set to the prevailing wages in each area.[7] However workers could not be paid more than 30 hours a week..."

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You mean it went away when all the people in the program were drafted. All the jobs went away when the program ended. It didn't create a single permanent job.

FDR's fascist agenda turned a sharp but short recession into the Great Depression which lasted 8 more years. Only the terminally naive believe it "created jobs."

"The Works Progress Administration (renamed during 1939 as the Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest and most ambitious New Deal agency, employing millions of unskilled workers to carry out public works projects,[1] including the construction of public buildings and roads, and operated large arts, drama, media, and literacy projects.

"It fed children and redistributed food, clothing, and housing.

"Almost every community in the United States had a park, bridge or school constructed by the agency, which especially benefited rural and Western areas. The budget at the outset of the WPA in 1935 was $1.4 billion a year. (about 6.7 percent of the 1935 GDP), and in total it spent $13.4 billion.[2]

"At its peak in 1938 it provided paid jobs for three million unemployed men (and some women), as well as youth in a separate division the National Youth Administration."

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The WPA kept millions of productive Americans and their families alive after the Wall Street parasites of the day crashed their global economy. The jobs were never intended to last forever.

 

[Samson]

The jobs were never intended to last forever.

They weren't?

How do you know?

 

[SFC Ollie]

FDR's version of big government created millions of jobs.

"The WPA was a national program that originated its own projects (in cooperation with state and local governments) and sometimes took over state and local relief programs that had originated in the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC) or FERA programs.

"Headed by Harry Hopkins, the WPA provided jobs and income to the unemployed during the Great Depression in the United States. Between 1935 and 1943, the WPA provided almost eight million jobs.[3] It never managed to come anywhere close to full demand for employment.[4]

"Liquidated on June 30, 1943 as a result of high employment due to the industry boom of World War Two, the WPA had provided millions of Americans with jobs for 8 years.[5] Most people who needed a job were eligible for at least some of its positions.[6] Hourly wages were typically set to the prevailing wages in each area.[7] However workers could not be paid more than 30 hours a week..."

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You mean it went away when all the people in the program were drafted. All the jobs went away when the program ended. It didn't create a single permanent job.

FDR's fascist agenda turned a sharp but short recession into the Great Depression which lasted 8 more years. Only the terminally naive believe it "created jobs."

"The Works Progress Administration (renamed during 1939 as the Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest and most ambitious New Deal agency, employing millions of unskilled workers to carry out public works projects,[1] including the construction of public buildings and roads, and operated large arts, drama, media, and literacy projects.

"It fed children and redistributed food, clothing, and housing.

"Almost every community in the United States had a park, bridge or school constructed by the agency, which especially benefited rural and Western areas. The budget at the outset of the WPA in 1935 was $1.4 billion a year. (about 6.7 percent of the 1935 GDP), and in total it spent $13.4 billion.[2]

"At its peak in 1938 it provided paid jobs for three million unemployed men (and some women), as well as youth in a separate division the National Youth Administration."

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The WPA kept millions of productive Americans and their families alive after the Wall Street parasites of the day crashed their global economy. The jobs were never intended to last forever.

We know, welfare you had to work to get. The way maybe it should be today. Unemployment wasn't meant to last 99 weeks either, but there are some wanting to extend it even more.

 

[Samson]

You mean it went away when all the people in the program were drafted. All the jobs went away when the program ended. It didn't create a single permanent job.

FDR's fascist agenda turned a sharp but short recession into the Great Depression which lasted 8 more years. Only the terminally naive believe it "created jobs."

"The Works Progress Administration (renamed during 1939 as the Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest and most ambitious New Deal agency, employing millions of unskilled workers to carry out public works projects,[1] including the construction of public buildings and roads, and operated large arts, drama, media, and literacy projects.

"It fed children and redistributed food, clothing, and housing.

"Almost every community in the United States had a park, bridge or school constructed by the agency, which especially benefited rural and Western areas. The budget at the outset of the WPA in 1935 was $1.4 billion a year. (about 6.7 percent of the 1935 GDP), and in total it spent $13.4 billion.[2]

"At its peak in 1938 it provided paid jobs for three million unemployed men (and some women), as well as youth in a separate division the National Youth Administration."

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The WPA kept millions of productive Americans and their families alive after the Wall Street parasites of the day crashed their global economy. The jobs were never intended to last forever.

We know, welfare you had to work to get. The way maybe it should be today. Unemployment wasn't meant to last 99 weeks either, but there are some wanting to extend it even more.

Indeed Why ISN'T there any remaining vistage of the WPA, or the CCC, today?

Could it be that they actually cost more than they were worth?

 

[snjmom]

Interesting lack of response to this simple fact.

Hard to argue with common sense, I guess.

I've never used a product made by a rich man's hands, either.

Never put gas in your car, huh?

Well, keep that horse and buggy in good condition: You'll need it.

Are you trying to say that the rich guys in the oil industry are the ones working the rigs?

 

[Samson]

I've never used a product made by a rich man's hands, either.

Never put gas in your car, huh?

Well, keep that horse and buggy in good condition: You'll need it.

Are you trying to say that the rich guys in the oil industry are the ones working the rigs?

Are you trying to say the guys working the rigs don't get paid?

Try not to be an idiot.

 

[georgephillip]

It depends on who's running the oligarchy. An enlightened dictatorship is often better than democracy. Take Chile under Pinochet, for example.

Is it "enlightened" to "stand idly by and watch a country go Communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people(?)"

Do you think its enlightening to assassinate a duly elected president?

He wasn't assassinated. he committed suicide, and he was a Marxist thug. I would have put a bullet in him myself if I had the opportunity. There's no vermin more despicable than a traitor who sells his country out to its enemies.

"In Santiago on September 11, 1973 I watched as Chilean air force jets flew overhead. Moments later I heard explosions and saw fireballs of smoke fill the sky as the presidential palace went up in flames. Salvador Allende, the elected Socialist president of Chile died in the palace.

Roger Burbach: The Condor Model

Allende committed suicide, he wasn't killed by bombs. He also attempted to become a dictator, and the Chilean parliament used force to remove him.

simply.the-truth: The truth about Chilean Revolution - by José Piñera

The Truth About the Chilean Revolution
by José Piñera

(updated march 15th, 2000)

It is true that Salvador Allende was elected President of Chile in 1970 by means of a democratic election (although with only 36.6% of the vote). Nevertheless, it is equally true that his government lost its democratic character by repeatedly violating the Constitution. The Economist said it clearly at the time: " The temporary death of democracy in Chile will be regrettable, but the blame lies clearly with Dr. Allende and those of his followers who persistently overrode the Constitution" (September 15, 1973).

In effect, President Allende became a tyrant when he broke his solemn oath to respect the Constitution and the Chilean laws. There are numerous evidences to that effect (including a clear statement of the Supreme Court), but the most important one--and widely unknown outside of Chile--is the momentous Agreement of 23 August 1973 of the Chamber of Deputies (the Lower House of the Chilean Congress), which I have translated and posted as "The Declaration of Breakdown of Chilean Democracy".

In this Agreement, it is presented a list of the legal and constitutional violations of President Allende's government, and it is agreed to "make representations" of this "grave breach of the legal and constitutional order of the Republic" to, among other authorities, "the Armed Forces". At the same time it agrees to "make representations to them that, by virtue of their function, of their oath to remain faithful to the Constitution and the law, ... it is up to them to put immediate end to all the situations referred to above, which infringe the Constitution and the law".

So, since no feasible mechanism existed in the Chilean Constitution to remove a President who had lost his democratic nature, the House of Deputies, in a two third vote that included all the representatives of the Christian Democratic Party (the party of former President Eduardo Frei Montalva), made "representations" to the Armed Forces that it was up to them to "put immediate end" to these constitutional violations. It must be agreed that this was, in fact, an unequivocal call to remove by force the President who had initiated the use of force with the purpose of imposing a communist dictatorship.

The Armed Forces, led by the person who was then the Commander in Chief of the Army, General Augusto Pinochet, and claiming to be following theAgreement of the House of Deputies, removed Allende (who committed suicide -My note: it is changed. Read here) and took power eighteen days later, on 11 September 1973, vowing to restore democratic rule once the circumstances allowed it.

Therefore, the origin of the Pinochet government is that of any revolutionary one, in which only the use of force was left in order to remove a tyrant. And, as Benjamin Franklin, one of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence of the United States, once said, "rebellion against a tyrant is obedience to God".

Who assassinated Rene Schneider and why?

Jose Pinera's "Truth" doesn't mention General Schneider or the CIA.
Or Henry Kissinger...

"On June 27, 1970, Kissinger, in a National Security Council meeting, said 'I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people.' His remarks were later reported in Newsweek and many other publications."

In spite of Dick's and Henry's and the CIA's best efforts Allende won the popular vote on September 4, 1970, and "(a)ll that was required for him to assume the presidency was a vote of the Chilean Congress, meeting on October 24, 1970..."

"During this interim period between Allende's victory at the polls and his eventual installation as president, the Nixon Administration consistently threatened the Chilean military and Congress, telling them that if Allende were allowed to assume the presidency, all U.S. military aid to Chile would be cut off.

"The CIA at this time also considered assassinating Allende, under the pretense of saving Chile from communism.

"According to U.S. Senate report 'Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders,' CIA headquarters sent a cable to its office in Santiago, Chile exploring the possibility of just such an assassination and cover story. They eventually came to the conclusion that a coup still had 'no pretext or justification that it can offer to make it acceptable in Chile or Latin America.'

"In the cable, the CIA then decided that it 'therefore would seem necessary to create one [a justification for a coup] to bolster what will probably be [the military's] claim to a coup to save Chile from communism.'

"According to the Senate report, the CIA then came up with the idea 'to "discover" intel[ligence] report which could even be planted during raids planned by Carabineros [Chile's police].'

"Such an artificially contrived intelligence report would probably highlight cooperation between communist Cuba and President Salvador Allende."

"However, Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of the Chilean Army, did not want to participate with any coup plans that would disrupt the legal election process. The CIA then decided to support and engineer the assassination of General Schneider in order to clear the way for a coup. This took place on October 22, 1970."

According to the CIA's own admission to the US Senate, published in April of 1975, the Agency passed "sterilized" machine guns, along with ammunition, to the killers of General Schneider on the day of his murder.

Christopher Reilly: Kissinger, Chile and Justice at Last?

Your pal Pinera is a traitor who wouldn't recognize the "Truth" if it cut his head off and pissed in it.

 

[snjmom]

Never put gas in your car, huh?

Well, keep that horse and buggy in good condition: You'll need it.

Are you trying to say that the rich guys in the oil industry are the ones working the rigs?

Are you trying to say the guys working the rigs don't get paid?

Try not to be an idiot.

No, I'm saying those aren't the rich guys that sign paychecks. Stick with the quote. Just as the owners are the ones that sign the paychecks, the workers are the ones that make the products.


Are small business owners rich or poor?

 

[Samson]

Are you trying to say that the rich guys in the oil industry are the ones working the rigs?

Are you trying to say the guys working the rigs don't get paid?

Try not to be an idiot.

No, I'm saying those aren't the rich guys that sign paychecks. Stick with the quote. Just as the owners are the ones that sign the paychecks, the workers are the ones that make the products.

You'll need to try a helluva lot harder not to be an idiot.

You buy Gasoline: You buy a product that cannot be made without wealth.

 

[hortysir]

Are you trying to say that the rich guys in the oil industry are the ones working the rigs?

Are you trying to say the guys working the rigs don't get paid?

Try not to be an idiot.

No, I'm saying those aren't the rich guys that sign paychecks. Stick with the quote. Just as the owners are the ones that sign the paychecks, the workers are the ones that make the products.


Are small business owners rich or poor?

Depends if you're asking me or the Obama administration

 

[georgephillip]

Well rdean, your big government sure as hell doesn't create jobs.

FDR's version of big government created millions of jobs.

"The WPA was a national program that originated its own projects (in cooperation with state and local governments) and sometimes took over state and local relief programs that had originated in the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC) or FERA programs.

"Headed by Harry Hopkins, the WPA provided jobs and income to the unemployed during the Great Depression in the United States. Between 1935 and 1943, the WPA provided almost eight million jobs.[3] It never managed to come anywhere close to full demand for employment.[4]

"Liquidated on June 30, 1943 as a result of high employment due to the industry boom of World War Two, the WPA had provided millions of Americans with jobs for 8 years.[5] Most people who needed a job were eligible for at least some of its positions.[6] Hourly wages were typically set to the prevailing wages in each area.[7] However workers could not be paid more than 30 hours a week..."

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh please. Government paying people to stop unemployment is unsustainable and you know it.

When the Industrial Revolution began some argued the machine would eventually free mankind from the economic need of working. That point appears to have been reached in the US rust belt, at least for millions of relatively low skilled workers.

There Are Alternatives:

"Social Credit is an economic philosophy developed by C. H. Douglas (1879–1952), a British engineer, who wrote a book by that name in 1924.

"Social Credit is described by Douglas[1] as 'the policy of a philosophy'; he called his philosophy 'practical Christianity'.

"This philosophy is interdisciplinary in nature, encompassing the fields of economics, political science, history, accounting and physics. Assuming the only safe place for power is in many hands, Social Credit is a distributive philosophy, and its policy is to disperse power to individuals.

"Social Credit philosophy is best summed by Douglas when he said, 'Systems were made for men, and not men for systems, and the interest of man which is self-development, is above all systems, whether theological, political or economic.'"[2]

 

[snjmom]

Are you trying to say the guys working the rigs don't get paid?

Try not to be an idiot.

No, I'm saying those aren't the rich guys that sign paychecks. Stick with the quote. Just as the owners are the ones that sign the paychecks, the workers are the ones that make the products.

You'll need to try a helluva lot harder not to be an idiot.

You buy Gasoline: You buy a product that cannot be made without wealth.

Sure it can, just ask the Russians. You can always substitute force for wealth.

Do you believe that capital is superior to labor?

 

[Samson]

No, I'm saying those aren't the rich guys that sign paychecks. Stick with the quote. Just as the owners are the ones that sign the paychecks, the workers are the ones that make the products.

You'll need to try a helluva lot harder not to be an idiot.

You buy Gasoline: You buy a product that cannot be made without wealth.

Sure it can, just ask the Russians. You can always substitute force for wealth.

Do you believe that capital is superior to labor?

You said you, "never used a product made by a rich man's hands, either"

Do you buy gasoline from Russians?

Are you related to Truthmatters?

 

[georgephillip]

Are you trying to say the guys working the rigs don't get paid?

Try not to be an idiot.

No, I'm saying those aren't the rich guys that sign paychecks. Stick with the quote. Just as the owners are the ones that sign the paychecks, the workers are the ones that make the products.

You'll need to try a helluva lot harder not to be an idiot.

You buy Gasoline: You buy a product that cannot be made without wealth.

Wealth doesn't exist without labor.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Are you trying to say that the rich guys in the oil industry are the ones working the rigs?

Are you trying to say the guys working the rigs don't get paid?

Try not to be an idiot.

No, I'm saying those aren't the rich guys that sign paychecks. Stick with the quote. Just as the owners are the ones that sign the paychecks, the workers are the ones that make the products.


Are small business owners rich or poor?

Depends on your definition of rich. And if you think for a minute that they don't work you don't know very many rich people.

 

[rdean]

NO *I* see the difference...what I find stunning is your absolute insistance that NONE of it would exist without the GUBMINT.

Deany? Next time? Try to pick on someone that is dumber than *I*...(That way? You look like LESS of an asshat...). TOO late *I* let the cat outta the BAG

In 1958, President Eisenhower signed the Space Act, officially creating the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

NASA continues to spawn a vast array of new technologies and products that have improved our daily lives. In fact, NASA has filed more than 6,300 patents with the U.S. government [source: NASA Scientific and Technical Information].

Each year since 1976, NASA has published a list of every commercialized technology and product linked to its research. The NASA journal "Spinoff" highlights these products, which have included things like improved pacemakers, state of the art exercise machines and satellite radio. Each product was made possible thanks to a NASA idea or innovation.

Curiosity "10 NASA Inventions You Might Use Every Day"

NASA Spinoffs - Inventions Benefiting Our Daily Lives - Apollo Spinoff Inventions

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2010/pdf/Spinoff2010.pdf

SFC Ollie, it was General and President Dwight D. Eisenhower, the last Republican to leave office with a balanced budget. The man who created NASA. One of the greatest Presidents we have ever had. Don't demean his contribution in the drive to "hate" Obama and mindlessly agree with Republican morons.

Our nation was built around NASA inventions paid for by the government. Not only did that research create tens of thousands of jobs directly, but also the "support" for those jobs. Then add in all the jobs created by the many, many types of technology that came from the fruit of that research.

I won't even get into all the American infrastructure created by the government that led to jobs.

A really stupid Republican will say, "If you build a bridge, then once the bridge is built, the job is gone".

A really smart Republican will say, "If you build a bridge, then you connect communities which will lead to many new jobs".

And yet it was all created by government.

And that's your argument? It would have happened anyway? A "fucking guess"?

Six thousand and three hundred patents and it would have happened anyway?

You are a bigger tard than I thought. And what is especially pitiful, you don't even know it. You don't even realize you argue from the side if delusion and stupidity. You are truly a "tragic" figure. The evidence is "right there" and still you deny it. You really are drunk on Republican "swill". Sad.

AND those patents came from WHAT...rather whom Deany?

That's correct PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

Is that what you think?

 

[rdean]

AND those patents came from WHAT...rather whom Deany?

That's correct PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

You should probably defer to someone who knows what he's talkin'-about....and, has the bank-account to prove it....​

"And what comes of this research? Well for starters how about things like jet engines, integrated circuits, the human genome, or the Internet. Clearly the largest and most generous venture capitalist in the universe is Uncle Sam."


Bill Gates Sr.

You can run-along, now......​

I'll run NO where at your behest Shitman...MOST of that tech was stolen in the SPOILS OF WAR from whom, DUMBASS..? You may go fuck yerself at yoer earliest oppritunity.​

Enjoy yer ride you FAKE 'SHAMAN'​

I thought what you said before was stupid. You just topped your lunacy with more lunacy. If you put as much effort into research as you do "imagination", one could actually have a debate. Except, if you ever actually made sense, people would agree with you. People other than Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann.

 

[The T]

In 1958, President Eisenhower signed the Space Act, officially creating the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

NASA continues to spawn a vast array of new technologies and products that have improved our daily lives. In fact, NASA has filed more than 6,300 patents with the U.S. government [source: NASA Scientific and Technical Information].

Each year since 1976, NASA has published a list of every commercialized technology and product linked to its research. The NASA journal "Spinoff" highlights these products, which have included things like improved pacemakers, state of the art exercise machines and satellite radio. Each product was made possible thanks to a NASA idea or innovation.

Curiosity "10 NASA Inventions You Might Use Every Day"

NASA Spinoffs - Inventions Benefiting Our Daily Lives - Apollo Spinoff Inventions

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2010/pdf/Spinoff2010.pdf

SFC Ollie, it was General and President Dwight D. Eisenhower, the last Republican to leave office with a balanced budget. The man who created NASA. One of the greatest Presidents we have ever had. Don't demean his contribution in the drive to "hate" Obama and mindlessly agree with Republican morons.

Our nation was built around NASA inventions paid for by the government. Not only did that research create tens of thousands of jobs directly, but also the "support" for those jobs. Then add in all the jobs created by the many, many types of technology that came from the fruit of that research.

I won't even get into all the American infrastructure created by the government that led to jobs.

A really stupid Republican will say, "If you build a bridge, then once the bridge is built, the job is gone".

A really smart Republican will say, "If you build a bridge, then you connect communities which will lead to many new jobs".

And yet it was all created by government.

And that's your argument? It would have happened anyway? A "fucking guess"?

Six thousand and three hundred patents and it would have happened anyway?

You are a bigger tard than I thought. And what is especially pitiful, you don't even know it. You don't even realize you argue from the side if delusion and stupidity. You are truly a "tragic" figure. The evidence is "right there" and still you deny it. You really are drunk on Republican "swill". Sad.

AND those patents came from WHAT...rather whom Deany?

That's correct PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

Is that what you think?

it's what I KNOW deany...Government wouldn't have SQUAT if it wouldn't be for private enterprise to make it happen.

 

[The T]

You should probably defer to someone who knows what he's talkin'-about....and, has the bank-account to prove it....​

You can run-along, now......​

I'll run NO where at your behest Shitman...MOST of that tech was stolen in the SPOILS OF WAR from whom, DUMBASS..? You may go fuck yerself at yoer earliest oppritunity.​

Enjoy yer ride you FAKE 'SHAMAN'​

I thought what you said before was stupid. You just topped your lunacy with more lunacy. If you put as much effort into research as you do "imagination", one could actually have a debate. Except, if you ever actually made sense, people would agree with you. People other than Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann.

POT, KETTLE, Black...Deany? YOU really are a dumbass aren't you?

 

[rdean]

"This idea that a few wealthy people -- the 'producers' -- hand everything down to the rest of us -- 'the parasites' -- is fundamentally at odds with the concept of democracy.

"In a democracy we all have an equal voice and an equal stake in how our society and our economy does.

"We do not 'depend' on the good graces of a favored few for our livelihoods.

"We all are supposed to have an equal opportunity, and equal rights. And there are things we are all entitled to -- 'entitlements' -- that we get just because we were born here. But we all share in the responsibility to cover the costs of democracy --"

Rich parasites don't create jobs.
Demand creates jobs.

"If you ask around you will find that every business tries to employ the right number of people to meet the demand. Any business owner or manager will tell you that they hire based on need, not on how much they have in the bank...

"Taxes make absolutely no difference in the hiring equation."

Actually, "the Rich" Don't "Create Jobs," We Do | Truthout

Wow! Could you be more full of shit or what???? Where does effort, or innovation, or assertion even fit into your perspective??? Champion of mediocrity and incompetence that you may be, you just are not capable of rational thought, when it comes to cause and effect, George. Try doing more and talking less for starters. Entitlement is it??? What you deem entitlement, can only come from the stealing of other peoples property or effort, both rich and poor. Nothing comes from nothing, yet you proclaim that something comes from nothing on your part, by right of your existence, others Must serve your interests and wants without consent. How is it that you have no obligation to them??? Can I mandate that you sacrifice your interest, your future, for my wants, if I can get enough of the people behind me??? Why would I want to??? Why should me taking from you against your will, to your detriment, using the power of the State, to back me, not be seen for the great evil that it would be??? Tyranny in any disguise, is still Tyranny George.

Why should anyone live their life for your expectation??? Realization, knowledge, invention, discovery, achievement, by individuals, whether part of a team or solo, are born of the individual and passed on so that others may benefit, commonly under protest of the status quo.
Why not just live and let live. Establish Justice, serve it, leave the tangents out of it.

Where does effort, or innovation, or assertion even fit into your perspective??

Ummm, you are aware that "Demand" is the driving force behind effort, innovation, and assertion? Right? Without demand, why bother?