Dead Israelis

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Damn Progressives. They ALWAYS believe they know what's best for everyone and they'll ram it down your throat never seeing the irony.

I know!!!! Check our progressive president and the war in Iraq he politely requested based on truthful evidence. Check out all those progressives demanding that this is a Christian nation as well.

 

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Probably because the Arabs were not kidnapped in the first place, But hey don't let a small distinction like that bother you retard.

Thats right. Its definitely the Lebanese who set up checkpoints in Israeli territory and conduct massive round ups of any adult male they find in a land of people they illegally occupy.

There is no moral high ground. Stop pretending.

 

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You are a DISGRACE Shogun, you have repeatedly claimed Jews have no right to self defence by claiming when they kill TERRORISTS they are Terrorists. Retard.

If you think they only kill terrorists your head is buried so far in the sand that Saddam Hussein may be about ready to kiss you on the lips.

Try Baruch Kimmerling's "Politicide." He's a Jew, the self-hating type (which really mean a Jewish human being that tries to be objective)

 

[Reality]

You mean the area that the UN has stated is NOT part of Lebanon and never was? That place? Can I now claim British Columbia is part of the United States and DEMAND Canada give it back? Then conduct terror attacks when they don't?

While Israel remains in violation of Security Council Resolution 242, your references to UN statements in support of Israel is simply laughable because it is disingenuous at a level almost incomprehensible.

Lebanon is a creation of the post WWI colonialist terrorist coalition of the Brits and French. Shebba Farms is historically Syrian, like Lebanon and Palestine.

Thats why "they" hate us stupid. Not because of our "freedoms."

 

[Reality]

What absolute utter BULLSHIT. Jews can not allow palastinians in Isreal, not because the Israelis are racist but because when they do the Pals repay them by MURDERING them indioscrimantly.

I know you are all for fair and all, tell ya what, the next mass murderer that gets released because of a technacality in the States gets to move in and be your room mate for life, how ever short that may be.

Oh yea, definitely indiscriminate!!!!

According to the Israeli foreign ministry, in a 10 year period there has been no more than 756 terrorism related deaths in Israel throughout the 20th century. In the 1980's that number fell to 174. In 1999 that number was 8. EIGHT. Thats definitely indiscriminate.

Terrorism deaths in Israel- 1920-1999

No less than 800 Arabs (its really about 1300) were killed in three days in 1982 in Lebanon by Maronite Fascists while given shelling cover and nighttime illumination with flares by Israeli forces under the direct command of Ariel Sharon, who was on the scene. Israeli forces controlled all checkpoints and let no one out of the scene of the massacre.

^^^^ That's a bit better example of indiscriminate. But don't let actual history get in the way of your rants.

 

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The point is, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization returning dead bodies of a non-terrorist organization after claiming for two years that they were alive, all in all getting live terrorists back in return. No matter how anti-simetic you are, you can't justify that. This happens to the U.S. all the time. I know I don't like it when American prisoners turn up dead, despite the number of people we've killed. Especially when we've believed them to be alive. I remember a couple of months ago, Hezbollah was claming the two were still alive... A dirty little trick by Hezbollah if you ask me....

Since the Irgun was in fact a terrorist organization and was rolled into the IDF upon the creation of Israel, your "non-terrorist organization" designation doesn't really meet up with reality. Maybe take a read through Begin's "The Revolt" where he admits over and over and over and over to having a hand in terrorist acts.

History is awful inconvenient.

 

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not to mention that the 2 Israelis in question were taken in cross border raids into Israel, carried out by Hezbollah while Israel was not occupying one inch of Lebanon, and was not in anyway attacking Lebanon.

Now watch as some fool tries to say hezbollah is fighting for the return of the Golan. You know the one that belonged to Syria, Not Lebanon, until Syria joined other Arab nations to attack Israel with the stated goal of driving into the sea, or killing Every Jew in Israel!

Ummmm... the Six Day War was AFTER Israel attacked Egypt as part of the tripartite attack and the subsequent Suez Crisis.

 

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People with an agenda tend to forget history and justify things that simply aren't justified.

You are absolutely right. The Suez Crisis, Irgun, Stern Gang... you know. Thing inconvenient to Zionist activists.

 

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Launching missiles into civilian centers, suicide bombing pizza parlors and busses and pubs is NOT even remotely self defence you FUCKING retard. The Israelis do not do that, they only respond when attacked. Hell they even did what the Arabs had been demanding and gave them the West Bank and the Gaza and how were they repaid? More missiles more suicide attacks and kidnapped soldiers.

In fact the the ARabs had a fit they left those two places at all.

Once again numb nuts, the next serial killer, mass murderer that gets off on a technicality we move in with you for life, how ever short that may be.

Deir Yassin Remembered

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Suez Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.

January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.

 

[Reality]

The ARabs you want to return DEMAND that the JEWS all die or leave

What is your source for this claim? Since Jews lived under Arab, Turkish and Persian administration since just about ever, you are going to have a hard time putting forth any evidence.

 

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My point exactly Gysgt. wanting a 1 state solution is like wanting to put 2 guys who hate each other into a cage and waiting to see who kills who. It would be a bloody mess and Both Jews and Muslims would suffer for it.

Yea. I mean I went to the south last year and I can't tell you the discrimination I was met with for being a yankee.

 

[Rhys]

Oh look, surprise surprise , we have another Jew hater.

Hello, Nazi. What a brilliant piece of intelligence!

Try to get this clear, thicko: The zionist movement despaired of civilisation because of the persecution of Jewish and ex-Jewish people: everyone else was organised into bullying 'nations', so they decided they must be 'normal' - racist, colonialist and bullying, like the rest of the Europeans (except of course the Socialists and such like nasty people - who included most Jews) and colonise Palestine, imposing their Kultur upon the sub-humans actually living there - or, even better, stealing their homes and expelling them. Zionism was a huge betrayal of everything decent the Jews had ever stood for, an imitation of all that was worst in European nationalism and a rejection of their own people. Their model was German nationalism, right up to its end in that Berlin bunker, and don't tell me they wouldn't set up their own extermination camps if they could get away with it, because everything shows that they are longing to do exactly that.

You and your kind are a disgrace to all those who lived and died for humanity, who offered so much to the arts and sciences and tried to change a world that needed it. Your Reichlette offers neither hope nor safety to the Jewish people and is a monstrous crime against those colonised or expelled. You can fool many of the people much of the time and shout others down with your fatuous 'Jew-hater' drivel but it is the zionist who are the Jew-haters, chummie: they want them abolished and turned into strutting nazi racists.

 

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Remind us again you RETARD. Why did Lebanon 06 HAPPEN? Did those genocidal Israelis wake up on the wrong side of the bed and invade for shits and giggles?

No, they decided that instead of prisoner swapping, a game that both sides have played before, it was a good excuse to invade.

The expectation is that resistance to Israel is not allowed. If anyone but the IDf does anything but play patty cake and ankle grab, they are the devil. These were military people, not civilians, that were kidnapped. It was not an act of terrorism using the traditional definition.

 

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Once again you stupid son of a bitch. Israel did not form for any other reason then to be a Jewish State with Arabs as part of the make up. The Jews BEGGED the Arabs to stay. They left, not because of Jews, but because Arab Countries threatened to KILL any Arab they found in Israel when they invade as a Jew supporter.

Read a little history you retard. And once again, just for you, remind us how it is self defense to launch missiles into civilians centers , kill any Jew you can, blow up schools, churches, pizza parlors, busses, day care centers, stores, etc etc. Specifcally targetting women and children?

"begging to stay" or purging... however you want to slice it.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

 

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Well ya, cause a few won't murder them Israel should let millions in, KNOWING at the very least THOUSANDS of them will murder them in their sleep. Good plan you dumb SHIT. Come on be a man call the Federal Prison system and tell them you are waiting for that mass murdering serial killer to be released so you can be his room mate.

Do you have any evidence to support what is nothing less than your antisemitic ranting? Being that Arabs are a semitic people and all....

 

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Oh I forgot to add, you said that the 1 million Palestinians who live In Israel now should show us that they all can get along. There is a big problem with that, those 1 Million Palestinian arabs are mostly Christian Arabs, who would be just as bad off living among Muslim Arabs as Jews would be. Thats why they live there, oh and many of them are not Palestinians, but lebanese Christian Arabs who fled Hezbollahs relentless war to turn Lebanon from a majority Christian Nation into what it is today.

It is what it is today, demographically, overwhelmingly because of displaced Palestinians who lost their homes in the 1948 war who are stateless people, still. Thats the root of the problem, not stuff blowing up.

 

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Hello, Nazi. What a brilliant piece of intelligence!

Try to get this clear, thicko: The zionist movement despaired of civilisation because of the persecution of Jewish and ex-Jewish people: everyone else was organised into bullying 'nations', so they decided they must be 'normal' - racist, colonialist and bullying, like the rest of the Europeans (except of course the Socialists and such like nasty people - who included most Jews) and colonise Palestine, imposing their Kultur upon the sub-humans actually living there - or, even better, stealing their homes and expelling them. Zionist was a huge betrayal of everything decent the Jews had ever stood for, an imitation of all that was worst in European nationalism and a rejection of their own people. Their model was German nationalism, right up to its end in that Berlin bunker, and don't tell me they wouldn't set up their own extermination camps if they could get away with it, because everything shows that they are longing to do exactly that.

You and your kind are a disgrace to all those who lived and died for humanity, who offered so much to the arts and sciences and tried to change a world that needed it. Your Reichlette offers neither hope nor safety to the Jewish people and is a monstrous crime against those colonised or expelled. You can fool many of the people much of the time and shout others down with your fatuous 'Jew-hater' drivel but it is the zionist who are the Jew-haters, chummie: they want them abolished and turned into strutting nazi racists.

I have no interest in the "you're a Nazi, no you're a Nazi" stupidity that this thread has turned into. That aside this poster puts forth an interesting theory: Israeli politics socialized by European foreign policy. Taking part in the "sport of Europe"?

Pardon me, the wanna be sociologist.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What is your source for this claim? Since Jews lived under Arab, Turkish and Persian administration since just about ever, you are going to have a hard time putting forth any evidence.

You are not even worth the waste of breath to type this. Are you so stupid you do not know that EVERY terror organization that is Palastinian has that in their goals? It is PUBLIC, COMMON knowledge to anyone that has a 3rd grade reading level.

Reality my ass you are as stupid as they come.

Ohh ya, wanna provide some "terror" attacks by the Israelis? All that shit in 47 and 48 was before Israel even existed. Learn a little history, the Arab Countries through the Mufta of Jeruslam ordered all Arabs OUT of Israel, any found there when the Invasion started would be considered traitors to the Arab cause and shot for it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No, they decided that instead of prisoner swapping, a game that both sides have played before, it was a good excuse to invade.

The expectation is that resistance to Israel is not allowed. If anyone but the IDf does anything but play patty cake and ankle grab, they are the devil. These were military people, not civilians, that were kidnapped. It was not an act of terrorism using the traditional definition.

You moron, they did not invade because two soldiers were kidnapped, they invaded because of mortars, missiles and rockets raining down on Israel , fired from UN observer points, towns and villages. You really are amazingly STUPID.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

"begging to stay" or purging... however you want to slice it.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

And yet there are a MILLION legal Arab Israeli citizens. I wonder where THEY came from? All with the same rights and protections as any Jew in Israel. Able to work at any job, be part of any Military unit or job, able to be elected to office and even if they could manage it to be Prime Minister.

Ohh wait they do have one special condition, every Israeli is required to serve in the military EXCEPT any Arab that choses NOT too.