Children of Gays Oppose Gay Marriage

Depends on who's law....girly boy

If you're in the USA and several other nations it's your law and mine.

Not my law...but keep trying, Nancy Boy

Sure it is. I suppose you could always renounce your citizenship.

Or to view it as a pretend marriage. Which it is.

You can view it anyway you want, but that won't make it true.

Back at ya, Nancy

Pretend marriage....nothing more and nothing less.
 
The Court, in New Orleans, La., heard arguments on Jan. 9 as it considers whether to uphold traditional marriage – defined as being between one man and one woman -- in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

B.N. Klein, Robert Oscar Lopez, Dawn Stefanowicz, and Katy Faust all grew up with homosexual parents. All four argued that redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would harm children by depriving them of a mother or father.

In her brief, Dawn Stefanowicz described her experience living in a same-sex household.

“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”

“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”

“As children, we are not allowed to express our disagreement, pain and confusion,” Stefanowicz explained. “Most adult children from gay households do not feel safe or free to publicly express their stories and life-long challenges; they fear losing professional licenses, not obtaining employment in their chosen field, being cut off from some family members or losing whatever relationship they have with their gay parent(s). Some gay parents have threatened to leave no inheritance, if the children don’t accept their parent’s partner du jour.”

“I grew up with a parent and her partner in an atmosphere in which gay ideology was used as a tool of repression, retribution and abuse,” B.N. Klein wrote of her experience with a lesbian mother. “I have seen that children in gay households often become props to be publicly displayed to prove that gay families are just like heterosexual ones.”

Klein said she was taught that “some Jews and most Christians were stupid and hated gays and were violent,” and that homosexuals were “much more creative and artistic” because they were not repressed and were naturally more ‘feeling.’”

“At the same time I was given the message that if I did not agree (which I did not), I was stupid and damned to a life of punishing hostility from my mother and her partner,” she recounts. “They did this with the encouragement of all their gay friends in the community and they were like a cheering squad. I was only allowed out of my room to go to school. This could go on for weeks.”

“I was supposed to hate everyone based on what they thought of my mother and her partner,” said Klein. “People’s accomplishments did not matter, their personal struggles did not matter, and their own histories were of no consequence. The only thing that mattered was what they thought of gays.”

Robert Oscar Lopez who was also raised by a lesbian mother and her partner, had a different experience which he described as the “best possible conditions for a child raised by a same-sex couple.”

“Had I been formally studied by same-sex parenting ‘experts’ in 1985, I would have confirmed their rosiest estimations of LGBT family life,” Lopez wrote, but then went on to argue against same-sex marriage saying that, “behind these facades of a happy ‘outcome’ lay many problems.”

He describes experiencing a great deal of sexual confusion due to the lack of a father figure in his life. He turned to a life of prostitution with older men as a teenager.

“I had an inexplicable compulsion to have sex with older males,” he recounted, saying he “wanted to have sex with older men who were my father’s age, though at the time I could scarcely understand what I was doing.”

“The money I received for sex certainly helped me financially because it allowed me certain spending money beyond what I earned with my teenage jobs at a pizzeria and in my mother’s [psychiatric] clinic,” he states in the brief. “But the money was not as impactful as the fact that I needed to feel loved and wanted by an older male figure, even if for only as short as a half hour.”

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The glass isn't always half full.
Why did you leave the word "Some" off the beginning of your thread title?

If you are so insecure in your position that you feel a qualifier is necessary in order to assuage your wounded perception of reality, you're probably not going to understand that the title of threads is written in order to attract readers to the subject. For the best example ---- see www.cnn.com and watch the actual connectivity between the headline and the story content.

Their article, in the first three paragraphs, said this:

Washington (CNN)The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

But a White House official said late Thursday that the request was only made after the FBI indicated to the White House it did not believe the reporting to be accurate.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The headline???

FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories

See how it's done? And, you wonder why CNN was blocked from WH press briefings?
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
 
If you're in the USA and several other nations it's your law and mine.

Not my law...but keep trying, Nancy Boy

Sure it is. I suppose you could always renounce your citizenship.

Or to view it as a pretend marriage. Which it is.

You can view it anyway you want, but that won't make it true.

Back at ya, Nancy

Pretend marriage....nothing more and nothing less.
Just as pretend as any religious marriage.....maybe those religious marriages more so since they make pledges and vows to pretend deities.
 
The Court, in New Orleans, La., heard arguments on Jan. 9 as it considers whether to uphold traditional marriage – defined as being between one man and one woman -- in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

B.N. Klein, Robert Oscar Lopez, Dawn Stefanowicz, and Katy Faust all grew up with homosexual parents. All four argued that redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would harm children by depriving them of a mother or father.

In her brief, Dawn Stefanowicz described her experience living in a same-sex household.

“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”

“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”

“As children, we are not allowed to express our disagreement, pain and confusion,” Stefanowicz explained. “Most adult children from gay households do not feel safe or free to publicly express their stories and life-long challenges; they fear losing professional licenses, not obtaining employment in their chosen field, being cut off from some family members or losing whatever relationship they have with their gay parent(s). Some gay parents have threatened to leave no inheritance, if the children don’t accept their parent’s partner du jour.”

“I grew up with a parent and her partner in an atmosphere in which gay ideology was used as a tool of repression, retribution and abuse,” B.N. Klein wrote of her experience with a lesbian mother. “I have seen that children in gay households often become props to be publicly displayed to prove that gay families are just like heterosexual ones.”

Klein said she was taught that “some Jews and most Christians were stupid and hated gays and were violent,” and that homosexuals were “much more creative and artistic” because they were not repressed and were naturally more ‘feeling.’”

“At the same time I was given the message that if I did not agree (which I did not), I was stupid and damned to a life of punishing hostility from my mother and her partner,” she recounts. “They did this with the encouragement of all their gay friends in the community and they were like a cheering squad. I was only allowed out of my room to go to school. This could go on for weeks.”

“I was supposed to hate everyone based on what they thought of my mother and her partner,” said Klein. “People’s accomplishments did not matter, their personal struggles did not matter, and their own histories were of no consequence. The only thing that mattered was what they thought of gays.”

Robert Oscar Lopez who was also raised by a lesbian mother and her partner, had a different experience which he described as the “best possible conditions for a child raised by a same-sex couple.”

“Had I been formally studied by same-sex parenting ‘experts’ in 1985, I would have confirmed their rosiest estimations of LGBT family life,” Lopez wrote, but then went on to argue against same-sex marriage saying that, “behind these facades of a happy ‘outcome’ lay many problems.”

He describes experiencing a great deal of sexual confusion due to the lack of a father figure in his life. He turned to a life of prostitution with older men as a teenager.

“I had an inexplicable compulsion to have sex with older males,” he recounted, saying he “wanted to have sex with older men who were my father’s age, though at the time I could scarcely understand what I was doing.”

“The money I received for sex certainly helped me financially because it allowed me certain spending money beyond what I earned with my teenage jobs at a pizzeria and in my mother’s [psychiatric] clinic,” he states in the brief. “But the money was not as impactful as the fact that I needed to feel loved and wanted by an older male figure, even if for only as short as a half hour.”

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The glass isn't always half full.
Why did you leave the word "Some" off the beginning of your thread title?

If you are so insecure in your position that you feel a qualifier is necessary in order to assuage your wounded perception of reality, you're probably not going to understand that the title of threads is written in order to attract readers to the subject. For the best example ---- see www.cnn.com and watch the actual connectivity between the headline and the story content.

Their article, in the first three paragraphs, said this:

Washington (CNN)The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

But a White House official said late Thursday that the request was only made after the FBI indicated to the White House it did not believe the reporting to be accurate.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The headline???

FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories

See how it's done? And, you wonder why CNN was blocked from WH press briefings?
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
 
The Court, in New Orleans, La., heard arguments on Jan. 9 as it considers whether to uphold traditional marriage – defined as being between one man and one woman -- in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

B.N. Klein, Robert Oscar Lopez, Dawn Stefanowicz, and Katy Faust all grew up with homosexual parents. All four argued that redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would harm children by depriving them of a mother or father.

In her brief, Dawn Stefanowicz described her experience living in a same-sex household.

“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”

“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”

“As children, we are not allowed to express our disagreement, pain and confusion,” Stefanowicz explained. “Most adult children from gay households do not feel safe or free to publicly express their stories and life-long challenges; they fear losing professional licenses, not obtaining employment in their chosen field, being cut off from some family members or losing whatever relationship they have with their gay parent(s). Some gay parents have threatened to leave no inheritance, if the children don’t accept their parent’s partner du jour.”

“I grew up with a parent and her partner in an atmosphere in which gay ideology was used as a tool of repression, retribution and abuse,” B.N. Klein wrote of her experience with a lesbian mother. “I have seen that children in gay households often become props to be publicly displayed to prove that gay families are just like heterosexual ones.”

Klein said she was taught that “some Jews and most Christians were stupid and hated gays and were violent,” and that homosexuals were “much more creative and artistic” because they were not repressed and were naturally more ‘feeling.’”

“At the same time I was given the message that if I did not agree (which I did not), I was stupid and damned to a life of punishing hostility from my mother and her partner,” she recounts. “They did this with the encouragement of all their gay friends in the community and they were like a cheering squad. I was only allowed out of my room to go to school. This could go on for weeks.”

“I was supposed to hate everyone based on what they thought of my mother and her partner,” said Klein. “People’s accomplishments did not matter, their personal struggles did not matter, and their own histories were of no consequence. The only thing that mattered was what they thought of gays.”

Robert Oscar Lopez who was also raised by a lesbian mother and her partner, had a different experience which he described as the “best possible conditions for a child raised by a same-sex couple.”

“Had I been formally studied by same-sex parenting ‘experts’ in 1985, I would have confirmed their rosiest estimations of LGBT family life,” Lopez wrote, but then went on to argue against same-sex marriage saying that, “behind these facades of a happy ‘outcome’ lay many problems.”

He describes experiencing a great deal of sexual confusion due to the lack of a father figure in his life. He turned to a life of prostitution with older men as a teenager.

“I had an inexplicable compulsion to have sex with older males,” he recounted, saying he “wanted to have sex with older men who were my father’s age, though at the time I could scarcely understand what I was doing.”

“The money I received for sex certainly helped me financially because it allowed me certain spending money beyond what I earned with my teenage jobs at a pizzeria and in my mother’s [psychiatric] clinic,” he states in the brief. “But the money was not as impactful as the fact that I needed to feel loved and wanted by an older male figure, even if for only as short as a half hour.”

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The glass isn't always half full.
Why did you leave the word "Some" off the beginning of your thread title?

If you are so insecure in your position that you feel a qualifier is necessary in order to assuage your wounded perception of reality, you're probably not going to understand that the title of threads is written in order to attract readers to the subject. For the best example ---- see www.cnn.com and watch the actual connectivity between the headline and the story content.

Their article, in the first three paragraphs, said this:

Washington (CNN)The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

But a White House official said late Thursday that the request was only made after the FBI indicated to the White House it did not believe the reporting to be accurate.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The headline???

FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories

See how it's done? And, you wonder why CNN was blocked from WH press briefings?
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
 
Why did you leave the word "Some" off the beginning of your thread title?

If you are so insecure in your position that you feel a qualifier is necessary in order to assuage your wounded perception of reality, you're probably not going to understand that the title of threads is written in order to attract readers to the subject. For the best example ---- see www.cnn.com and watch the actual connectivity between the headline and the story content.

Their article, in the first three paragraphs, said this:

Washington (CNN)The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

But a White House official said late Thursday that the request was only made after the FBI indicated to the White House it did not believe the reporting to be accurate.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The headline???

FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories

See how it's done? And, you wonder why CNN was blocked from WH press briefings?
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.

A father and a mother each have distinctive roles in a child's development. A SSM can in no way provide that.
 
Why did you leave the word "Some" off the beginning of your thread title?

If you are so insecure in your position that you feel a qualifier is necessary in order to assuage your wounded perception of reality, you're probably not going to understand that the title of threads is written in order to attract readers to the subject. For the best example ---- see www.cnn.com and watch the actual connectivity between the headline and the story content.

Their article, in the first three paragraphs, said this:

Washington (CNN)The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

But a White House official said late Thursday that the request was only made after the FBI indicated to the White House it did not believe the reporting to be accurate.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The headline???

FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories

See how it's done? And, you wonder why CNN was blocked from WH press briefings?
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.
 
If you are so insecure in your position that you feel a qualifier is necessary in order to assuage your wounded perception of reality, you're probably not going to understand that the title of threads is written in order to attract readers to the subject. For the best example ---- see www.cnn.com and watch the actual connectivity between the headline and the story content.

Their article, in the first three paragraphs, said this:

Washington (CNN)The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

But a White House official said late Thursday that the request was only made after the FBI indicated to the White House it did not believe the reporting to be accurate.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The headline???

FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories

See how it's done? And, you wonder why CNN was blocked from WH press briefings?
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.
Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?
 
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.
Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?
Says who?
 
Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.
Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?
Says who?
Nature for one as nature has selected male and female pairs as the standard for human families. State and federal authorities for another as they recommend placing children in families with male and female parents. And lastly child psychologists as they believe it is in the child's best interest as well.
 
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There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.
Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?
Says who?
Nature for one as nature has selected male and female pairs as the standard for human families. State and federal authorities for another as they recommend placing children in families with male and female parents. And lastly child psychologists as they believe it is in the child's best interest as well.
As I said before...children are not raised in a vacuum...I will concede that it is good for them to have male and female influences on them....I'm looking for you to provide evidence that that is ONLY effective if provided by a live in parent.

Oh....and I wouldn't be holding nature up if I were you.
 
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It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.
Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?
Says who?
Nature for one as nature has selected male and female pairs as the standard for human families. State and federal authorities for another as they recommend placing children in families with male and female parents. And lastly child psychologists as they believe it is in the child's best interest as well.
As I said before...children are not raised in a vacuum...I will concede that it is good for them to have male and female influences on them....I'm looking for you to provide evidence that that is ONLY effective if provided by a live in parent.
You want to discuss exceptions. I want to discuss rules. As a rule it is in child's best interest to have a male and a female role model.
 
If you are so insecure in your position that you feel a qualifier is necessary in order to assuage your wounded perception of reality, you're probably not going to understand that the title of threads is written in order to attract readers to the subject. For the best example ---- see www.cnn.com and watch the actual connectivity between the headline and the story content.

Their article, in the first three paragraphs, said this:

Washington (CNN)The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

But a White House official said late Thursday that the request was only made after the FBI indicated to the White House it did not believe the reporting to be accurate.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The headline???

FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories

See how it's done? And, you wonder why CNN was blocked from WH press briefings?
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.

It is nonsensical, and scientifically inaccurate, to claim that children can get the same nurturing, role model, and affection from social contact with men and women.
 
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SSM marriage is in no sense comparable to traditional marriage....not even in the ballpark

How would you know if you have never been in a SSM marriage?

LOL

From the friends I know who are in SSM marriages- yep- they are basically comparable- with all the same kinds of ups and downs.
 
So, nice dodge on your part. Are you always this dishonest with the English language?

Didn't understand the point, huh?

Smaller words, next time?
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.

It is nonsensical, and scientifically inaccurate, to claim that children can get the same nurturing, role model, and affection from social contact with men and women.

It is nonsensical and scientifically inaccurate to claim that preventing gays from marrying will ensure that any children receive adequate nurturing or role models.

It is also nonsensical and scientifically inaccurate to claim that straight marriage ensures that children will receive adequate nurturing or role models or affection.

I wish you people would apply the same standards to gay couples as you do to straight couples. No one against about my 80 year old uncle marrying his 70 year old bride because he wasn't going to be providing nurturing to children.
 
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.
Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?
Says who?
Nature for one as nature has selected male and female pairs as the standard for human families. State and federal authorities for another as they recommend placing children in families with male and female parents. And lastly child psychologists as they believe it is in the child's best interest as well.
As I said before...children are not raised in a vacuum...I will concede that it is good for them to have male and female influences on them....I'm looking for you to provide evidence that that is ONLY effective if provided by a live in parent.
You want to discuss exceptions. I want to discuss rules. As a rule it is in child's best interest to have a male and a female role model.

As a rule it is in a child's best interest to have two married parents- yet we don't require married parents to stay married, nor do we require parents to marry.

As a rule it is in a child's best interest to have two involved, loving, engaged and caring parents- yet we can't guarantee that will happen EVER.

Fact is- there is nothing preventing a man and a woman from getting drunk at a bar, hooking up and having a kid- with no ability to be good parents.

Yet- we don't have people arguing that those two shouldn't get married.

Preventing a gay couple from marrying does not help a single child.

But it may harm children, if that couple does make the choice to have children.
 
If you're in the USA and several other nations it's your law and mine.

Not my law...but keep trying, Nancy Boy

Sure it is. I suppose you could always renounce your citizenship.

Or to view it as a pretend marriage. Which it is.

You can view it anyway you want, but that won't make it true.

Back at ya, Nancy

Pretend marriage....nothing more and nothing less.
Just as you are a pretend American.
 
There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.
It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.
Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?
Says who?
Nature for one as nature has selected male and female pairs as the standard for human families.

Nature has done no such thing.

The history of the world is full of societies that had families that included one male and multiple females.

The history of the last 30 years in the United States is that nature is selecting a large portion of human families to be headed by a single adult of one gender.

You want to provide more children with two parents of opposite gender- then get more straights to take responsibility for our kids.

While you argue about the poor child raised by two women, there are 100 kids being raised by one woman, or one man.

Preventing the two women from marrying doesn't magically give their kids a live in dad, and doesn't do anything to address the vast majority of kids being raised without both genders in the household.
 

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