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Just as you are a pretend American.Not my law...but keep trying, Nancy Boy
Sure it is. I suppose you could always renounce your citizenship.
Or to view it as a pretend marriage. Which it is.
You can view it anyway you want, but that won't make it true.
Back at ya, Nancy
Pretend marriage....nothing more and nothing less.
How's that natural procreation working for them?[
SSM marriage is in no sense comparable to traditional marriage....not even in the ballpark
How would you know if you have never been in a SSM marriage?
LOL
From the friends I know who are in SSM marriages- yep- they are basically comparable- with all the same kinds of ups and downs.
You want to discuss exceptions. I want to discuss rules. As a rule it is in child's best interest to have a male and a female role model.As I said before...children are not raised in a vacuum...I will concede that it is good for them to have male and female influences on them....I'm looking for you to provide evidence that that is ONLY effective if provided by a live in parent.Nature for one as nature has selected male and female pairs as the standard for human families. State and federal authorities for another as they recommend placing children in families with male and female parents. And lastly child psychologists as they believe it is in the child's best interest as well.Says who?Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?
As a rule it is in a child's best interest to have two married parents- yet we don't require married parents to stay married, nor do we require parents to marry.
As a rule it is in a child's best interest to have two involved, loving, engaged and caring parents- yet we can't guarantee that will happen EVER.
Fact is- there is nothing preventing a man and a woman from getting drunk at a bar, hooking up and having a kid- with no ability to be good parents.
Yet- we don't have people arguing that those two shouldn't get married.
Preventing a gay couple from marrying does not help a single child.
But it may harm children, if that couple does make the choice to have children.
By that standard we should live like the Amish as the history of the world did not live in a technological society. The reality is that male / female unions are the norm and as a rule is in the best interest of children and society. I think it is selfish and fucked up.Says who?Let me amend my statement. As a rule, children are best served when they have male and female role models as parents. Better?Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.
Nature for one as nature has selected male and female pairs as the standard for human families.
Nature has done no such thing.
The history of the world is full of societies that had families that included one male and multiple females.
The history of the last 30 years in the United States is that nature is selecting a large portion of human families to be headed by a single adult of one gender.
You want to provide more children with two parents of opposite gender- then get more straights to take responsibility for our kids.
While you argue about the poor child raised by two women, there are 100 kids being raised by one woman, or one man.
Preventing the two women from marrying doesn't magically give their kids a live in dad, and doesn't do anything to address the vast majority of kids being raised without both genders in the household.
Children get both male and female role models......it's called interacting with your fellow human beings. I hope you are not suggesting that children are raised by parents in a vacuum. That would be creepy.It isn't just a few. Children need both male and female role models.There should never be a big "point" to simply....that's right....simply stating that SOME children of gays oppose gay marriage. Anyone who feels they need to fill a page over that SIMPLE fact is blowing smoke.......so, it was intentional on your part. Ok.....now we've established that.Didn't understand the point, huh?
Smaller words, next time?
It is nonsensical, and scientifically inaccurate, to claim that children can get the same nurturing, role model, and affection from social contact with men and women.
It is nonsensical and scientifically inaccurate to claim that preventing gays from marrying will ensure that any children receive adequate nurturing or role models.
It is also nonsensical and scientifically inaccurate to claim that straight marriage ensures that children will receive adequate nurturing or role models or affection.
I wish you people would apply the same standards to gay couples as you do to straight couples. No one against about my 80 year old uncle marrying his 70 year old bride because he wasn't going to be providing nurturing to children.
... and, apparently, the children of gay couples.The only people it seems to bother is the religious nutzies...Gay marriage is legal in all 50 states and it isn't going away. Deal with it.
Gays have absolutely no business adopting children. None
I would argue you have no businesses adopting children and poisoning their minds with hatred and bigotry.
... and, apparently, the children of gay couples.The only people it seems to bother is the religious nutzies...Gay marriage is legal in all 50 states and it isn't going away. Deal with it.
Gays have absolutely no business adopting children. None
I would argue you have no businesses adopting children and poisoning their minds with hatred and bigotry.
That's silly. Just as silly as the thought that laws never change.
Well, you know. They aren't happy unless they are: a) forcing others to follow their rules or b) crying persecution because they aren't allowed to force others to follow their rules.The only people it seems to bother is the religious nutzies...Gay marriage is legal in all 50 states and it isn't going away. Deal with it.
You think straight couples don't ever have anal sex? You think all gay couples have anal sex?Well, you know. They aren't happy unless they are: a) forcing others to follow their rules or b) crying persecution because they aren't allowed to force others to follow their rules.The only people it seems to bother is the religious nutzies...Gay marriage is legal in all 50 states and it isn't going away. Deal with it.
You have to remember. It's the perspective of those who don't equate the rectum with regular sexual intercourse.
I know, right?
You think straight couples don't ever have anal sex? You think all gay couples have anal sex?Well, you know. They aren't happy unless they are: a) forcing others to follow their rules or b) crying persecution because they aren't allowed to force others to follow their rules.The only people it seems to bother is the religious nutzies...Gay marriage is legal in all 50 states and it isn't going away. Deal with it.
You have to remember. It's the perspective of those who don't equate the rectum with regular sexual intercourse.
I know, right?
You poor benighted noob, you.....
How many times do YOU look at married couples and fantasize about the sex they have? You know...that's kinda creepy.You think straight couples don't ever have anal sex? You think all gay couples have anal sex?Well, you know. They aren't happy unless they are: a) forcing others to follow their rules or b) crying persecution because they aren't allowed to force others to follow their rules.The only people it seems to bother is the religious nutzies...Gay marriage is legal in all 50 states and it isn't going away. Deal with it.
You have to remember. It's the perspective of those who don't equate the rectum with regular sexual intercourse.
I know, right?
You poor benighted noob, you.....
They can.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
Normalization of deviance leads to predictable surprises.How many times do YOU look at married couples and fantasize about the sex they have? You know...that's kinda creepy.You think straight couples don't ever have anal sex? You think all gay couples have anal sex?Well, you know. They aren't happy unless they are: a) forcing others to follow their rules or b) crying persecution because they aren't allowed to force others to follow their rules.The only people it seems to bother is the religious nutzies...
You have to remember. It's the perspective of those who don't equate the rectum with regular sexual intercourse.
I know, right?
You poor benighted noob, you.....
They can.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
This isn't even about gay marriage, the first story is about kids with a single gay father. The second story is about an unmarried lesbian and her partner raising a kid. WTF does this have to do with gay marriage? Aside from nothing?The Court, in New Orleans, La., heard arguments on Jan. 9 as it considers whether to uphold traditional marriage – defined as being between one man and one woman -- in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
B.N. Klein, Robert Oscar Lopez, Dawn Stefanowicz, and Katy Faust all grew up with homosexual parents. All four argued that redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would harm children by depriving them of a mother or father.
In her brief, Dawn Stefanowicz described her experience living in a same-sex household.
“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”
“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”
“As children, we are not allowed to express our disagreement, pain and confusion,” Stefanowicz explained. “Most adult children from gay households do not feel safe or free to publicly express their stories and life-long challenges; they fear losing professional licenses, not obtaining employment in their chosen field, being cut off from some family members or losing whatever relationship they have with their gay parent(s). Some gay parents have threatened to leave no inheritance, if the children don’t accept their parent’s partner du jour.”
“I grew up with a parent and her partnerin an atmosphere in which gay ideology was used as a tool of repression, retribution and abuse,” B.N. Klein wrote of her experience with a lesbian mother. “I have seen that children in gay households often become props to be publicly displayed to prove that gay families are just like heterosexual ones.”
Klein said she was taught that “some Jews and most Christians were stupid and hated gays and were violent,” and that homosexuals were “much more creative and artistic” because they were not repressed and were naturally more ‘feeling.’”
“At the same time I was given the message that if I did not agree (which I did not), I was stupid and damned to a life of punishing hostility from my mother and her partner,” she recounts. “They did this with the encouragement of all their gay friends in the community and they were like a cheering squad. I was only allowed out of my room to go to school. This could go on for weeks.”
“I was supposed to hate everyone based on what they thought of my mother and her partner,” said Klein. “People’s accomplishments did not matter, their personal struggles did not matter, and their own histories were of no consequence. The only thing that mattered was what they thought of gays.”
Robert Oscar Lopez who was also raised by a lesbian mother and her partner, had a different experience which he described as the “best possible conditions for a child raised by a same-sex couple.”
“Had I been formally studied by same-sex parenting ‘experts’ in 1985, I would have confirmed their rosiest estimations of LGBT family life,” Lopez wrote, but then went on to argue against same-sex marriage saying that, “behind these facades of a happy ‘outcome’ lay many problems.”
He describes experiencing a great deal of sexual confusion due to the lack of a father figure in his life. He turned to a life of prostitution with older men as a teenager.
“I had an inexplicable compulsion to have sex with older males,” he recounted, saying he “wanted to have sex with older men who were my father’s age, though at the time I could scarcely understand what I was doing.”
“The money I received for sex certainly helped me financially because it allowed me certain spending money beyond what I earned with my teenage jobs at a pizzeria and in my mother’s [psychiatric] clinic,” he states in the brief. “But the money was not as impactful as the fact that I needed to feel loved and wanted by an older male figure, even if for only as short as a half hour.”
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The glass isn't always half full.
Define "deviance".Normalization of deviance leads to predictable surprises.How many times do YOU look at married couples and fantasize about the sex they have? You know...that's kinda creepy.You think straight couples don't ever have anal sex? You think all gay couples have anal sex?Well, you know. They aren't happy unless they are: a) forcing others to follow their rules or b) crying persecution because they aren't allowed to force others to follow their rules.
You have to remember. It's the perspective of those who don't equate the rectum with regular sexual intercourse.
I know, right?
You poor benighted noob, you.....
They can.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
Some people only see the word "gay" and all they can see from that point is butt sex. Weird, I know.This isn't even about gay marriage, the first story is about kids with a single gay father. The second story is about an unmarried lesbian and her partner raising a kid. WTF does this have to do with gay marriage? Aside from nothing?The Court, in New Orleans, La., heard arguments on Jan. 9 as it considers whether to uphold traditional marriage – defined as being between one man and one woman -- in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
B.N. Klein, Robert Oscar Lopez, Dawn Stefanowicz, and Katy Faust all grew up with homosexual parents. All four argued that redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would harm children by depriving them of a mother or father.
In her brief, Dawn Stefanowicz described her experience living in a same-sex household.
“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”
“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”
“As children, we are not allowed to express our disagreement, pain and confusion,” Stefanowicz explained. “Most adult children from gay households do not feel safe or free to publicly express their stories and life-long challenges; they fear losing professional licenses, not obtaining employment in their chosen field, being cut off from some family members or losing whatever relationship they have with their gay parent(s). Some gay parents have threatened to leave no inheritance, if the children don’t accept their parent’s partner du jour.”
“I grew up with a parent and her partnerin an atmosphere in which gay ideology was used as a tool of repression, retribution and abuse,” B.N. Klein wrote of her experience with a lesbian mother. “I have seen that children in gay households often become props to be publicly displayed to prove that gay families are just like heterosexual ones.”
Klein said she was taught that “some Jews and most Christians were stupid and hated gays and were violent,” and that homosexuals were “much more creative and artistic” because they were not repressed and were naturally more ‘feeling.’”
“At the same time I was given the message that if I did not agree (which I did not), I was stupid and damned to a life of punishing hostility from my mother and her partner,” she recounts. “They did this with the encouragement of all their gay friends in the community and they were like a cheering squad. I was only allowed out of my room to go to school. This could go on for weeks.”
“I was supposed to hate everyone based on what they thought of my mother and her partner,” said Klein. “People’s accomplishments did not matter, their personal struggles did not matter, and their own histories were of no consequence. The only thing that mattered was what they thought of gays.”
Robert Oscar Lopez who was also raised by a lesbian mother and her partner, had a different experience which he described as the “best possible conditions for a child raised by a same-sex couple.”
“Had I been formally studied by same-sex parenting ‘experts’ in 1985, I would have confirmed their rosiest estimations of LGBT family life,” Lopez wrote, but then went on to argue against same-sex marriage saying that, “behind these facades of a happy ‘outcome’ lay many problems.”
He describes experiencing a great deal of sexual confusion due to the lack of a father figure in his life. He turned to a life of prostitution with older men as a teenager.
“I had an inexplicable compulsion to have sex with older males,” he recounted, saying he “wanted to have sex with older men who were my father’s age, though at the time I could scarcely understand what I was doing.”
“The money I received for sex certainly helped me financially because it allowed me certain spending money beyond what I earned with my teenage jobs at a pizzeria and in my mother’s [psychiatric] clinic,” he states in the brief. “But the money was not as impactful as the fact that I needed to feel loved and wanted by an older male figure, even if for only as short as a half hour.”
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The glass isn't always half full.
How many times do YOU look at married couples and fantasize about the sex they have? You know...that's kinda creepy.You think straight couples don't ever have anal sex? You think all gay couples have anal sex?Well, you know. They aren't happy unless they are: a) forcing others to follow their rules or b) crying persecution because they aren't allowed to force others to follow their rules.The only people it seems to bother is the religious nutzies...
You have to remember. It's the perspective of those who don't equate the rectum with regular sexual intercourse.
I know, right?
You poor benighted noob, you.....
They can.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
Deviating from a standard.Define "deviance".Normalization of deviance leads to predictable surprises.How many times do YOU look at married couples and fantasize about the sex they have? You know...that's kinda creepy.You think straight couples don't ever have anal sex? You think all gay couples have anal sex?You have to remember. It's the perspective of those who don't equate the rectum with regular sexual intercourse.
I know, right?
You poor benighted noob, you.....
They can.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
But it was a valiant attempt to equate a rectum as equal to a vagina.
Tell me, is your rectum part of your reproductive system?
How can you set a standard when when NOBODY agrees with ANYTHING you say? You must be the deviation from the norm.Deviating from a standard.Define "deviance".Normalization of deviance leads to predictable surprises.How many times do YOU look at married couples and fantasize about the sex they have? You know...that's kinda creepy.You think straight couples don't ever have anal sex? You think all gay couples have anal sex?
You poor benighted noob, you.....
They can.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
But it was a valiant attempt to equate a rectum as equal to a vagina.
Tell me, is your rectum part of your reproductive system?
Why do you care? What is it about you religious crackpots that you're so concerned about what other people do in their bedroom? Are your sex lives really boring?
How can you set a standard when when NOBODY agrees with ANYTHING you say? You must be the deviation from the norm.Deviating from a standard.Define "deviance".Normalization of deviance leads to predictable surprises.How many times do YOU look at married couples and fantasize about the sex they have? You know...that's kinda creepy.They can.
How many times do male gay couples have vaginal sex.
You will be too dense to realize how stupid you are.
