Capitalism Is A Cancer...

[Windship]

...that needs to be cut out.

Such stupid people who think Cronie Capitalism is the same as true capitalism. With Obama in office 8 years now, the socialist utopia should be loved by the liberals, but just like the old USSR and Venezuela, the RICH are definitely richer and the most in poverty ever. Such dumbasses who voted for Hope and change and ended up with Dope and No Change. Elections do have consequences.
If you don't want Capitalism then what are you going to replace it with? Socialism? Communism? Fascism? Nazism?

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Oh, Im not stupid. I know whats going on precisely. Its not really much of a secret anymore. Capitalism starts small. Regulations and consumer protection keep it from becoming what it is today. Its taken 60 years to kill Democracy. But ya did it, huh? I know the difference between capitalism and unfettered corporate capitalism. The natural evolution of capitalism coupled with human greed and the want for power dictates this evolution. Everyone, here in this section, I assume, because of its content, know how close we are to the dollar being dropped simultaneously by multiple countries ass soon as the banks are sure they wont lose profit. Its all there, right in front of you if your one of the people with a brain and you people just watching it all go down and rolling in it. You know?...Id rather you just said "fuck the country, to hell with the people...make them all slaves and fuck Democracy. You fools...hahaha, you dont even realize that, while on this acid trip your on, unless your one of the ruling elite, they want YOUR bank account as well.

By the way, who has been the President of the US of America for the past 8 years? The guy who promised "Hope and Change", "The Fundamental Transformation of America", Oceans begin to recede and the Planet Heals", Redistribution of Wealth", guy? In the first 2 years of his bi racial presidency he had Nancy(blinkie) Pelosi, and (diry deeds) Harry Reid, who all 3 could of taken this country completely to Socialism but all they did behind closed doors, FORCE upon US a failing healthcare system that even Bill Clinton said was crazy. Complain all you want you feckless libtard, it was your guy and his Cronie Capitalist liberal elite special interest groups that have made the US a cesspool of failure. But then again, it is always the plan of liberals to make everyone "EQUAL". Equally poor and equally miserable. How is that Hope and Change working out for you? Dumbass.

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Do me a favor ok? Dont talk to me like Im a sheep. Im not. And you think I like obama and Im a liberal too?...lmao. Funny.

 

[esthermoon]

I agree! Capitalism is a cancer but the problem is I don't know what we could use to replace it
Maybe some kind of mitigated socialism (socialism not marxism)

In Nam, what is the form of govt. there?

Officially is socialism (marxism leninism to be correct) that's why our country official name is Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
But I doubt we have a "real" socialism....nowadays socialism in this country is just a symbol without meaning

 

[Windship]

If you think Im an obama lover, youd better go find my others post and threads in "Politics"

 

[Windship]

There ARE no liberals...not in government. No, I WAS a dem but the dems AND the r's PUT me in the middle. I want Democracy. I want the balance we had in th 50's. Place that in any category you wish to.

The US is a Republic not a Democracy, liberals cant understand that either.
Wrong again, there are liberal(not classical liberals) who are both (R)s and (D)s that have moved this country to ruin, they are called "Establishment" politicians. They are the reason that Trump is going to win this election even with the libidiots going crazy to take him down. 70% of US citizens want Trump and why the establishment vagina candidate hates them.

Tucker Carlson: Hillary Hates Normal Americans - Brian M. Carey

Because it’s true.
Hillary doesn’t agree with our traditional values.
She wants to bring in more people whose culture runs contrary to our own.
If we don’t vote according to her beliefs, she’s happy to see some judge overturn our wishes.
In short, she doesn’t like us.

Wul, thats just a crock uh shit you people offer to support unfettered capitalism. The United States Is A Democratic Republic that relies on a balance of capitalism and labor. When the balance is upset, Democracy can not exist.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

...that needs to be cut out.

Such stupid people who think Cronie Capitalism is the same as true capitalism. With Obama in office 8 years now, the socialist utopia should be loved by the liberals, but just like the old USSR and Venezuela, the RICH are definitely richer and the most in poverty ever. Such dumbasses who voted for Hope and change and ended up with Dope and No Change. Elections do have consequences.
If you don't want Capitalism then what are you going to replace it with? Socialism? Communism? Fascism? Nazism?

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Oh, Im not stupid. I know whats going on precisely. Its not really much of a secret anymore. Capitalism starts small. Regulations and consumer protection keep it from becoming what it is today. Its taken 60 years to kill Democracy. But ya did it, huh? I know the difference between capitalism and unfettered corporate capitalism. The natural evolution of capitalism coupled with human greed and the want for power dictates this evolution. Everyone, here in this section, I assume, because of its content, know how close we are to the dollar being dropped simultaneously by multiple countries ass soon as the banks are sure they wont lose profit. Its all there, right in front of you if your one of the people with a brain and you people just watching it all go down and rolling in it. You know?...Id rather you just said "fuck the country, to hell with the people...make them all slaves and fuck Democracy. You fools...hahaha, you dont even realize that, while on this acid trip your on, unless your one of the ruling elite, they want YOUR bank account as well.

By the way, who has been the President of the US of America for the past 8 years? The guy who promised "Hope and Change", "The Fundamental Transformation of America", Oceans begin to recede and the Planet Heals", Redistribution of Wealth", guy? In the first 2 years of his bi racial presidency he had Nancy(blinkie) Pelosi, and (diry deeds) Harry Reid, who all 3 could of taken this country completely to Socialism but all they did behind closed doors, FORCE upon US a failing healthcare system that even Bill Clinton said was crazy. Complain all you want you feckless libtard, it was your guy and his Cronie Capitalist liberal elite special interest groups that have made the US a cesspool of failure. But then again, it is always the plan of liberals to make everyone "EQUAL". Equally poor and equally miserable. How is that Hope and Change working out for you? Dumbass.

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Do me a favor ok? Dont talk to me like Im a sheep. Im not. And you think I like obama and Im a liberal too?...lmao. Funny.

Then what is your problem with Capitalism? Do you know that when the Pilgrims first showed up on this land, that they tried Socialism and almost failed from the beginning? Those who didn't want to work, were given their share while those that worked hard had to give up a lot of their share? Sound familiar? Pretty soon those who were working said enough was enough and stopped working, and that winter was very hard and some people started to die? Of course you don't know this because they don't teach this in school, and why uneducated people think socialism or communism or liberalism is so great. Capitalism isn't the perfect solution but it did for a long time enable anyone under God , to use his gifts to achieve the very best of each ones abilities. I will show how this worked, before the liberals and the government started taking those rights away.

The Pilgrim’s Failed Socialist Experiment

William Bradford, the colony’s governor its first 30 years, wrote of the agreement between the Pilgrim passengers and the financial “Adventurers” in his book Of Plymouth Plantation. He noted that the seven-year contract signed July 1, 1620, before leaving Plymouth England, stipulated that the Pilgrims were to pool, for common benefit, “all profits and benefits that are got by trade, traffic, trucking, working, fishing, or any other means of any person or persons…” It further noted “that at the end of the seven years, the capital and profits, viz. the houses, lands, goods and chattels, be equally divided betwixt the Adventurers and Planters…” During this time the colonists were to “have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock and goods of the said colony.” It doesn’t get more socialistic than this because the government divvied out the goods and loafers received the same as those who worked.

The first two years the result was shortages and starvation. About half the colonists died. No one did more than the minimal because the incentive to excel was destroyed. The industrious were neutralized.

Please read more from the article posted.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Calvin Coolidge - Wikipedia

During Coolidge's presidency, the United States experienced a period of rapid economic growth known as the "Roaring Twenties." He left the administration's industrial policy in the hands of his activist Secretary of Commerce, Herbert Hoover, who energetically used government auspices to promote business efficiency and develop airlines and radio.[108] Coolidge disdained regulation, and demonstrated this by appointing commissioners to the Federal Trade Commission and the Interstate Commerce Commission who did little to restrict the activities of businesses under their jurisdiction.[109] The regulatory state under Coolidge was, as one biographer described it, "thin to the point of invisibility."[110]

Coolidge's taxation policy was that of his Secretary of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon, the ideal that "scientific taxation"—lower taxes—actually increase rather than decrease government receipts.[113] Congress agreed, and the taxes were reduced in Coolidge's term.[113] In addition to these tax cuts, Coolidge proposed reductions in federal expenditures and retiring some of the federal debt.[114] Coolidge's ideas were shared by the Republicans in Congress, and in 1924, Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1924, which reduced income tax rates and eliminated all income taxation for some two million people.[114] They reduced taxes again by passing the Revenue Acts of 1926 and 1928, all the while continuing to keep spending down so as to reduce the overall federal debt.[115] By 1927, only the wealthiest 2% of taxpayers paid any federal income tax.[115] Federal spending remained flat during Coolidge's administration, allowing one-fourth of the federal debt to be retired in total. State and local governments saw considerable growth, however, surpassing the federal budget in 1927

When government is limited, then the country can prosper, but liberals don't want this as happy people don't need the government to take care of them, which is why the 1920's were the Roaring 20s. What you see today is over regulation, over taxation, high gas prices due to bogus scientific consensus and cronie capitalism towards solar power, and taxes being diverted to the likes of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, even the wife of Bill Clinton so they can get much richer while the rest of US gets much poorer. When people are uninformed then the liberals have power over you, when you get informed then you don't need a corrupt government to take care of you.

 

[Windship]

When the military comes to your door, demands all of your fire arms and your wife and kids are behind you...what will you do?

I don't think that's gonna happen in the USA
I know the American Constitution gives you the right to own guns

Calvin Coolidge - Wikipedia

During Coolidge's presidency, the United States experienced a period of rapid economic growth known as the "Roaring Twenties." He left the administration's industrial policy in the hands of his activist Secretary of Commerce, Herbert Hoover, who energetically used government auspices to promote business efficiency and develop airlines and radio.[108] Coolidge disdained regulation, and demonstrated this by appointing commissioners to the Federal Trade Commission and the Interstate Commerce Commission who did little to restrict the activities of businesses under their jurisdiction.[109] The regulatory state under Coolidge was, as one biographer described it, "thin to the point of invisibility."[110]

Coolidge's taxation policy was that of his Secretary of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon, the ideal that "scientific taxation"—lower taxes—actually increase rather than decrease government receipts.[113] Congress agreed, and the taxes were reduced in Coolidge's term.[113] In addition to these tax cuts, Coolidge proposed reductions in federal expenditures and retiring some of the federal debt.[114] Coolidge's ideas were shared by the Republicans in Congress, and in 1924, Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1924, which reduced income tax rates and eliminated all income taxation for some two million people.[114] They reduced taxes again by passing the Revenue Acts of 1926 and 1928, all the while continuing to keep spending down so as to reduce the overall federal debt.[115] By 1927, only the wealthiest 2% of taxpayers paid any federal income tax.[115] Federal spending remained flat during Coolidge's administration, allowing one-fourth of the federal debt to be retired in total. State and local governments saw considerable growth, however, surpassing the federal budget in 1927

When government is limited, then the country can prosper, but liberals don't want this as happy people don't need the government to take care of them, which is why the 1920's were the Roaring 20s. What you see today is over regulation, over taxation, high gas prices due to bogus scientific consensus and cronie capitalism towards solar power, and taxes being diverted to the likes of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, even the wife of Bill Clinton so they can get much richer while the rest of US gets much poorer. When people are uninformed then the liberals have power over you, when you get informed then you don't need a corrupt government to take care of you.

Your all full of shit and drunk. And quit calling me a liberal. Im not a liberal.
So, if what you say is true, what is you spin on the health of our country between the years of 1945-1970?...when regulations and consumer protections were in place?

 

[Windship]

...that needs to be cut out.

Such stupid people who think Cronie Capitalism is the same as true capitalism. With Obama in office 8 years now, the socialist utopia should be loved by the liberals, but just like the old USSR and Venezuela, the RICH are definitely richer and the most in poverty ever. Such dumbasses who voted for Hope and change and ended up with Dope and No Change. Elections do have consequences.
If you don't want Capitalism then what are you going to replace it with? Socialism? Communism? Fascism? Nazism?

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Oh, Im not stupid. I know whats going on precisely. Its not really much of a secret anymore. Capitalism starts small. Regulations and consumer protection keep it from becoming what it is today. Its taken 60 years to kill Democracy. But ya did it, huh? I know the difference between capitalism and unfettered corporate capitalism. The natural evolution of capitalism coupled with human greed and the want for power dictates this evolution. Everyone, here in this section, I assume, because of its content, know how close we are to the dollar being dropped simultaneously by multiple countries ass soon as the banks are sure they wont lose profit. Its all there, right in front of you if your one of the people with a brain and you people just watching it all go down and rolling in it. You know?...Id rather you just said "fuck the country, to hell with the people...make them all slaves and fuck Democracy. You fools...hahaha, you dont even realize that, while on this acid trip your on, unless your one of the ruling elite, they want YOUR bank account as well.

By the way, who has been the President of the US of America for the past 8 years? The guy who promised "Hope and Change", "The Fundamental Transformation of America", Oceans begin to recede and the Planet Heals", Redistribution of Wealth", guy? In the first 2 years of his bi racial presidency he had Nancy(blinkie) Pelosi, and (diry deeds) Harry Reid, who all 3 could of taken this country completely to Socialism but all they did behind closed doors, FORCE upon US a failing healthcare system that even Bill Clinton said was crazy. Complain all you want you feckless libtard, it was your guy and his Cronie Capitalist liberal elite special interest groups that have made the US a cesspool of failure. But then again, it is always the plan of liberals to make everyone "EQUAL". Equally poor and equally miserable. How is that Hope and Change working out for you? Dumbass.

View attachment 93337

Then what is your problem with Capitalism? Do you know that when the Pilgrims first showed up on this land, that they tried Socialism and almost failed from the beginning? Those who didn't want to work, were given their share while those that worked hard had to give up a lot of their share? Sound familiar? Pretty soon those who were working said enough was enough and stopped working, and that winter was very hard and some people started to die? Of course you don't know this because they don't teach this in school, and why uneducated people think socialism or communism or liberalism is so great. Capitalism isn't the perfect solution but it did for a long time enable anyone under God , to use his gifts to achieve the very best of each ones abilities. I will show how this worked, before the liberals and the government started taking those rights away.

The Pilgrim’s Failed Socialist Experiment

William Bradford, the colony’s governor its first 30 years, wrote of the agreement between the Pilgrim passengers and the financial “Adventurers” in his book Of Plymouth Plantation. He noted that the seven-year contract signed July 1, 1620, before leaving Plymouth England, stipulated that the Pilgrims were to pool, for common benefit, “all profits and benefits that are got by trade, traffic, trucking, working, fishing, or any other means of any person or persons…” It further noted “that at the end of the seven years, the capital and profits, viz. the houses, lands, goods and chattels, be equally divided betwixt the Adventurers and Planters…” During this time the colonists were to “have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock and goods of the said colony.” It doesn’t get more socialistic than this because the government divvied out the goods and loafers received the same as those who worked.

The first two years the result was shortages and starvation. About half the colonists died. No one did more than the minimal because the incentive to excel was destroyed. The industrious were neutralized.

Please read more from the article posted.

You know, I have a valid answer but the shear stupidity you exhibit gives me pause but ok, here goes...the Pilgrims were supposed to go get a job, right?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I bet you never bothered to open up the link about the pilgrims and the one about Calvin Coolidge. In 1945 to 1970 , right after the war there were 600,000 less, US men, so there were more jobs than workers, pay was higher so nuclear families were able to prosper. In the late1960s the push to destroy the family started, and soon both men and women had to work, which left the children in the hands of public education. I am wasting my time trying to explain this to you, you either want to learn or you don't. I just don't think you want to learn, just hate life, and why your life sucks.

 

[Yarddog]

I agree! Capitalism is a cancer but the problem is I don't know what we could use to replace it
Maybe some kind of mitigated socialism (socialism not marxism)

So you've never been to a farmer's market or a craft fair huh?

When local artisan's come from miles around to barter their wares? It's the greatest place to be. Every spring, summer and fall, down town, the local merchants bring all their wares down town, it is most excellent. People bring what they have made and grown, people barter, trade and sell, they mutually agree on the best price, it is completely natural.

Folks have been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years. Freedom is good, slavery is bad.

Agree, this cant be had if capitalism is a cancer. Socialism prevents and limits diversity of ideas and just about everything else.

 

[Yarddog]

Such stupid people who think Cronie Capitalism is the same as true capitalism. With Obama in office 8 years now, the socialist utopia should be loved by the liberals, but just like the old USSR and Venezuela, the RICH are definitely richer and the most in poverty ever. Such dumbasses who voted for Hope and change and ended up with Dope and No Change. Elections do have consequences.
If you don't want Capitalism then what are you going to replace it with? Socialism? Communism? Fascism? Nazism?

View attachment 93336

Oh, Im not stupid. I know whats going on precisely. Its not really much of a secret anymore. Capitalism starts small. Regulations and consumer protection keep it from becoming what it is today. Its taken 60 years to kill Democracy. But ya did it, huh? I know the difference between capitalism and unfettered corporate capitalism. The natural evolution of capitalism coupled with human greed and the want for power dictates this evolution. Everyone, here in this section, I assume, because of its content, know how close we are to the dollar being dropped simultaneously by multiple countries ass soon as the banks are sure they wont lose profit. Its all there, right in front of you if your one of the people with a brain and you people just watching it all go down and rolling in it. You know?...Id rather you just said "fuck the country, to hell with the people...make them all slaves and fuck Democracy. You fools...hahaha, you dont even realize that, while on this acid trip your on, unless your one of the ruling elite, they want YOUR bank account as well.

By the way, who has been the President of the US of America for the past 8 years? The guy who promised "Hope and Change", "The Fundamental Transformation of America", Oceans begin to recede and the Planet Heals", Redistribution of Wealth", guy? In the first 2 years of his bi racial presidency he had Nancy(blinkie) Pelosi, and (diry deeds) Harry Reid, who all 3 could of taken this country completely to Socialism but all they did behind closed doors, FORCE upon US a failing healthcare system that even Bill Clinton said was crazy. Complain all you want you feckless libtard, it was your guy and his Cronie Capitalist liberal elite special interest groups that have made the US a cesspool of failure. But then again, it is always the plan of liberals to make everyone "EQUAL". Equally poor and equally miserable. How is that Hope and Change working out for you? Dumbass.

View attachment 93337

Then what is your problem with Capitalism? Do you know that when the Pilgrims first showed up on this land, that they tried Socialism and almost failed from the beginning? Those who didn't want to work, were given their share while those that worked hard had to give up a lot of their share? Sound familiar? Pretty soon those who were working said enough was enough and stopped working, and that winter was very hard and some people started to die? Of course you don't know this because they don't teach this in school, and why uneducated people think socialism or communism or liberalism is so great. Capitalism isn't the perfect solution but it did for a long time enable anyone under God , to use his gifts to achieve the very best of each ones abilities. I will show how this worked, before the liberals and the government started taking those rights away.

The Pilgrim’s Failed Socialist Experiment

William Bradford, the colony’s governor its first 30 years, wrote of the agreement between the Pilgrim passengers and the financial “Adventurers” in his book Of Plymouth Plantation. He noted that the seven-year contract signed July 1, 1620, before leaving Plymouth England, stipulated that the Pilgrims were to pool, for common benefit, “all profits and benefits that are got by trade, traffic, trucking, working, fishing, or any other means of any person or persons…” It further noted “that at the end of the seven years, the capital and profits, viz. the houses, lands, goods and chattels, be equally divided betwixt the Adventurers and Planters…” During this time the colonists were to “have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock and goods of the said colony.” It doesn’t get more socialistic than this because the government divvied out the goods and loafers received the same as those who worked.

The first two years the result was shortages and starvation. About half the colonists died. No one did more than the minimal because the incentive to excel was destroyed. The industrious were neutralized.

Please read more from the article posted.

You know, I have a valid answer but the shear stupidity you exhibit gives me pause but ok, here goes...the Pilgrims were supposed to go get a job, right?

Socialism is just fine when you are in survival mode. there is a place for it historically, but do you want society to just survive? or live? theres a difference

 

[MisterBeale]

I agree! Capitalism is a cancer but the problem is I don't know what we could use to replace it
Maybe some kind of mitigated socialism (socialism not marxism)

So you've never been to a farmer's market or a craft fair huh?

When local artisan's come from miles around to barter their wares? It's the greatest place to be. Every spring, summer and fall, down town, the local merchants bring all their wares down town, it is most excellent. People bring what they have made and grown, people barter, trade and sell, they mutually agree on the best price, it is completely natural.

Folks have been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years. Freedom is good, slavery is bad.

But you can do that in a socialist society
There are many kind of socialism

Well, then, I guess the argument can be made, there are many kinds of capitalism, and the upshot is, it is a matter of semantics.

One persons "socialism" is another person's "capitalism." At this point, I think was are just bandying about with definitions. If we don't define what we are talking about, then we can't have a meaningful conversation.

I thought we were talking about the free enterprise, the right to own land, negotiate prices, etc. If you want to call that socialism, then it seems socialism and capitalism are the same thing.

 

[Onyx]

I find that there are a lot of livable economic systems. The issue has always been power and greed, and not the existence of currency.

I envision a world where many left-wing anarchist economic ideologies such as syndicalism, mutalism, and participatory economics can synthesize with the concepts of sustained ownership and currency.

My belief is that no government should force anyone to live under any economic lifestyle.

 

[Onyx]

Maybe some kind of mitigated socialism (socialism not marxism)

"Communist" (not really) governments have butchered the definitions of socialism and Marxism

According to Karl Marx, socialism is a revolutionary transitional period towards communism (the abolition of private property, money, and government). Marxism is the ideology that embodies the sociology, theories, and solutions of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.

Karl Marx offers many contestible and even fallacious arguments, but I do believe he was the best sociologist of the 19th century.

 

[Onyx]

In Nam, what is the form of govt. there?

An inverted totalitarian Oligarchy, like what we have in the United States.

In the United States, we fool the population into believing we are living in a multi-party democracy where the people have power. In Vietnam, it is an openly one party state that claims to represent the revolution and the interests of the people.

 

[Onyx]

So you've never been to a farmer's market or a craft fair huh?

When local artisan's come from miles around to barter their wares? It's the greatest place to be. Every spring, summer and fall, down town, the local merchants bring all their wares down town, it is most excellent. People bring what they have made and grown, people barter, trade and sell, they mutually agree on the best price, it is completely natural.

Folks have been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years. Freedom is good, slavery is bad.

I love small scale equitable markets.

What I am not a fan of is the economy of power. Wealth is merely a currency to purchase power, and anti-humans seek to consolidate all the wealth, and therefore all the power.

Market anarchism combined with a cultural respect for direct action and voluntary association, can theoretically create a society that fairly awards individuals relative to their labor and achievements.

 

[Onyx]

Anarchy is just an admission of laziness and failure.

Not really, no.

It is just an admission that human beings are better off without power hierarchies.

 

[Unkotare]

...

Your [sic] all full of shit and drunk. And quit calling me a liberal. Im [sic] not a liberal.
So, if what you say is true, what is you [sic] spin on the health of our country between the years of 1945-1970?...when regulations and consumer protections were in place?

Learn the language.

 

[Onyx]

Well, then, I guess the argument can be made, there are many kinds of capitalism, and the upshot is, it is a matter of semantics.

No, there actually is not.

If you do not fully respect the freedom to produce currency and own capital, then you are not a capitalist.

One persons "socialism" is another person's "capitalism." At this point, I think was are just bandying about with definitions. If we don't define what we are talking about, then we can't have a meaningful conversation.

Everyone that claims to be a capitalist is a socialist to me. You know, besides market anarchists.

The valid definition of capitalism is "owning capital," as was the original definition.

I thought we were talking about the free enterprise, the right to own land, negotiate prices, etc. If you want to call that socialism, then it seems socialism and capitalism are the same thing.

Yeah, the only distinction today is based on semantics.

 

[esthermoon]

In Nam, what is the form of govt. there?

An inverted totalitarian Oligarchy, like what we have in the United States.

In the United States, we fool the population into believing we are living in a multi-party democracy where the people have power. In Vietnam, it is an openly one party state that claims to represent the revolution and the interests of the people.

That's true!
I think Ho Chi Minh is turning in his grave (but only when nobody can see him )