Can Palestinians Govern "Palestine?"

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I vaguely remember you just tearing me up during those 2006 elections for criticizing them.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, well you have your opinion.

The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

(COMMENT)

There is nothing "illegal" about the Ramallah Government, the Government of Palestine, or what ever you want to call it.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) cannot admit a non-state entity which does not possesses capacity to conclude treaties.

1. A person is considered as representing a State for the purpose of adopting or authenticating the text of a treaty or for the purpose of expressing the consent of the State to be bound by a treaty if:

(a) he produces appropriate full powers; or

(b) it appears from the practice of the States concerned or from other circumstances that their intention was to consider that person as representing the State for such purposes and to dispense with full powers.
​

2. In virtue of their functions and without having to produce full powers, the following are considered as representing their State:

(a) Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers for Foreign Affairs, for the purpose of performing all acts relating to the conclusion of a treaty;

(b) heads of diplomatic missions, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty between the accrediting State and the State to which they are accredited;

(c) representatives accredited by States to an international conference or to an international organization or one of its organs, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty in that conference, organization or organ.
​

The ICC recognized that the "State of Palestine" acceded to the Rome Statute and the Agreement on Privileges and Immunities of the Court ("APIC") on 2 January 2015.

Most Respectfully,
R

Political opinions do not change the law.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007. With the help of US supplied guns, money, and political cover, i.e. lies, he set up an illegal government in the West Bank after his resignation. Neither the Prime Minister nor any of his Cabinet Ministers have been approved by parliament as required by their constitution.

We have an unelected president and an unapproved PM and cabinet.

I don't see anything legal there.

(COMMENT)

If the Arab Palestinians cannot follow their own Basic Law, then that is their problem. It is not at all uncommon for Arab League countries to have a violent change in the government. Just look at the impact of the Arab Spring.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I vaguely remember you just tearing me up during those 2006 elections for criticizing them.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, well you have your opinion.

The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

(COMMENT)

There is nothing "illegal" about the Ramallah Government, the Government of Palestine, or what ever you want to call it.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) cannot admit a non-state entity which does not possesses capacity to conclude treaties.

1. A person is considered as representing a State for the purpose of adopting or authenticating the text of a treaty or for the purpose of expressing the consent of the State to be bound by a treaty if:

(a) he produces appropriate full powers; or

(b) it appears from the practice of the States concerned or from other circumstances that their intention was to consider that person as representing the State for such purposes and to dispense with full powers.
​

2. In virtue of their functions and without having to produce full powers, the following are considered as representing their State:

(a) Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers for Foreign Affairs, for the purpose of performing all acts relating to the conclusion of a treaty;

(b) heads of diplomatic missions, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty between the accrediting State and the State to which they are accredited;

(c) representatives accredited by States to an international conference or to an international organization or one of its organs, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty in that conference, organization or organ.
​

The ICC recognized that the "State of Palestine" acceded to the Rome Statute and the Agreement on Privileges and Immunities of the Court ("APIC") on 2 January 2015.

Most Respectfully,
R

Political opinions do not change the law.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007. With the help of US supplied guns, money, and political cover, i.e. lies, he set up an illegal government in the West Bank after his resignation. Neither the Prime Minister nor any of his Cabinet Ministers have been approved by parliament as required by their constitution.

We have an unelected president and an unapproved PM and cabinet.

I don't see anything legal there.

(COMMENT)

If the Arab Palestinians cannot follow their own Basic Law, then that is their problem. It is not at all uncommon for Arab League countries to have a violent change in the government. Just look at the impact of the Arab Spring.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is not at all uncommon for Arab League countries to have a violent change in the government.​

At the point of US guns.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I vaguely remember you just tearing me up during those 2006 elections for criticizing them.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, well you have your opinion.

The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

(COMMENT)

There is nothing "illegal" about the Ramallah Government, the Government of Palestine, or what ever you want to call it.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) cannot admit a non-state entity which does not possesses capacity to conclude treaties.

1. A person is considered as representing a State for the purpose of adopting or authenticating the text of a treaty or for the purpose of expressing the consent of the State to be bound by a treaty if:

(a) he produces appropriate full powers; or

(b) it appears from the practice of the States concerned or from other circumstances that their intention was to consider that person as representing the State for such purposes and to dispense with full powers.
​

2. In virtue of their functions and without having to produce full powers, the following are considered as representing their State:

(a) Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers for Foreign Affairs, for the purpose of performing all acts relating to the conclusion of a treaty;

(b) heads of diplomatic missions, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty between the accrediting State and the State to which they are accredited;

(c) representatives accredited by States to an international conference or to an international organization or one of its organs, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty in that conference, organization or organ.
​

The ICC recognized that the "State of Palestine" acceded to the Rome Statute and the Agreement on Privileges and Immunities of the Court ("APIC") on 2 January 2015.

Most Respectfully,
R

Political opinions do not change the law.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007. With the help of US supplied guns, money, and political cover, i.e. lies, he set up an illegal government in the West Bank after his resignation. Neither the Prime Minister nor any of his Cabinet Ministers have been approved by parliament as required by their constitution.

We have an unelected president and an unapproved PM and cabinet.

I don't see anything legal there.

(COMMENT)

If the Arab Palestinians cannot follow their own Basic Law, then that is their problem. It is not at all uncommon for Arab League countries to have a violent change in the government. Just look at the impact of the Arab Spring.

Most Respectfully,
R

The US administration continued to treat Fatah as if it had won the election rather than lost it - funding, arming, and directly encouraging agents within it to reverse the outcome of that democratic election by force. The Palestinian president brought pressure to bear on Hamas to change its position on recognition of Israel. Palestinians refused to participate in this externally driven coup - indeed, the vast majority of Fatah cadres rejected outright an enterprise so clearly directed at destroying the Palestinian body politic. Both the prisoners' document and the Mecca agreement signed in Saudi Arabia creating a national unity government took place because Palestinian society insisted on a national framework. Yet a small group has brought us to this point. The outcome is what we have before us today, similar to what the Americans were seeking to create in Iraq: the total exclusion of democratic practices and principles, the attempt to impose an oligarchy on a fragmented political society, a weakened and terrorised people, a foreign rule through warlords and strongmen.

Karma Nabulsi: The people of Palestine must finally be allowed to determine their own fate​

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I vaguely remember you just tearing me up during those 2006 elections for criticizing them.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, well you have your opinion.

The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

(COMMENT)

There is nothing "illegal" about the Ramallah Government, the Government of Palestine, or what ever you want to call it.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) cannot admit a non-state entity which does not possesses capacity to conclude treaties.

1. A person is considered as representing a State for the purpose of adopting or authenticating the text of a treaty or for the purpose of expressing the consent of the State to be bound by a treaty if:

(a) he produces appropriate full powers; or

(b) it appears from the practice of the States concerned or from other circumstances that their intention was to consider that person as representing the State for such purposes and to dispense with full powers.
​

2. In virtue of their functions and without having to produce full powers, the following are considered as representing their State:

(a) Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers for Foreign Affairs, for the purpose of performing all acts relating to the conclusion of a treaty;

(b) heads of diplomatic missions, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty between the accrediting State and the State to which they are accredited;

(c) representatives accredited by States to an international conference or to an international organization or one of its organs, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty in that conference, organization or organ.
​

The ICC recognized that the "State of Palestine" acceded to the Rome Statute and the Agreement on Privileges and Immunities of the Court ("APIC") on 2 January 2015.

Most Respectfully,
R

Political opinions do not change the law.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007. With the help of US supplied guns, money, and political cover, i.e. lies, he set up an illegal government in the West Bank after his resignation. Neither the Prime Minister nor any of his Cabinet Ministers have been approved by parliament as required by their constitution.

We have an unelected president and an unapproved PM and cabinet.

I don't see anything legal there.

(COMMENT)

If the Arab Palestinians cannot follow their own Basic Law, then that is their problem. It is not at all uncommon for Arab League countries to have a violent change in the government. Just look at the impact of the Arab Spring.

Most Respectfully,
R

The US administration continued to treat Fatah as if it had won the election rather than lost it - funding, arming, and directly encouraging agents within it to reverse the outcome of that democratic election by force. The Palestinian president brought pressure to bear on Hamas to change its position on recognition of Israel. Palestinians refused to participate in this externally driven coup - indeed, the vast majority of Fatah cadres rejected outright an enterprise so clearly directed at destroying the Palestinian body politic. Both the prisoners' document and the Mecca agreement signed in Saudi Arabia creating a national unity government took place because Palestinian society insisted on a national framework. Yet a small group has brought us to this point. The outcome is what we have before us today, similar to what the Americans were seeking to create in Iraq: the total exclusion of democratic practices and principles, the attempt to impose an oligarchy on a fragmented political society, a weakened and terrorised people, a foreign rule through warlords and strongmen.

Karma Nabulsi: The people of Palestine must finally be allowed to determine their own fate​

While you're busy scouring for excuses to avoid assigning responsibility for the reluctance of Islamic terrorists to hold elections and form a workable society.....


Will the West Bank hold elections without Gaza?

As Palestinians were preparing for the local elections slated for Oct. 8, the High Court of Justice in Ramallah announced Sept. 8 a surprising decision to hold the elections on Sept. 21 instead. However, when Sept. 21 came, the court decided to postpone the elections until Oct. 3. In light of these repeated delays, the Central Elections Committee (CEC) announced Sept. 21 that holding the planned elections on Oct. 8 was unfeasible, as the delays have disrupted the electoral process’ timetables.

Many scenarios emerged when the Palestinian local elections were delayed, with some saying elections may be held in the West Bank, and not in the Gaza Strip, where Hamas may appoint its candidates in the local bodies.
This decision sparked mutual accusations between Hamas and Fatah over the postponement of the elections. While Hamas viewed the postponement as a cancellation of the elections, Fatah accused Hamas of sabotaging the elections. Meanwhile, dozens of leftists rallied before the High Court of Justice on Sept. 21 to express opposition and demand the court to reconsider its decision.


Read more: Will the West Bank hold elections without Gaza?



Just more of what one would expect from competing Islamic terrorist franchises.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

HAMAS, a Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) militant and jihadist group, serves as one of two major political parties, is an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya ("Islamic Resistance Movement"). It is a prominent rival party by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Fatah organization. The PLO-Fatah (as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people") has has not yet actually renounced violence; but has, instead --- incited, encouraged, and political honored the martyrs of the Islamic jihadist, insurgents, guerrilla's, rebels, resistance and other asymmetric activities and individual initiative to strike-out and inflict harms on the Israelis.

Both HAMAS and the PLO-Fatah, incite, support, finance and encourage various other elements and splinter organizations of the HoAP (as the protected persons), who commit offenses or conduct activities which is solely intended to harm the Israel (as the Occupying Power), are subject to prosecution. Just as HoAP actions which represent a collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the Israeli police and security forces --- administrations, --- or the installations used by them, shall be liable to prosecution and serious fines and sentencing.

The US administration continued to treat Fatah as if it had won the election rather than lost it - funding, arming, and directly encouraging agents within it to reverse the outcome of that democratic election by force. The Palestinian president brought pressure to bear on Hamas to change its position on recognition of Israel. Palestinians refused to participate in this externally driven coup - indeed, the vast majority of Fatah cadres rejected outright an enterprise so clearly directed at destroying the Palestinian body politic. Both the prisoners' document and the Mecca agreement signed in Saudi Arabia creating a national unity government took place because Palestinian society insisted on a national framework. Yet a small group has brought us to this point. The outcome is what we have before us today, similar to what the Americans were seeking to create in Iraq: the total exclusion of democratic practices and principles, the attempt to impose an oligarchy on a fragmented political society, a weakened and terrorised people, a foreign rule through warlords and strongmen.

Karma Nabulsi: The people of Palestine must finally be allowed to determine their own fate​

(COMMENT)

The "People of Palestine" have, since the (1920) termination of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) and transition to the Civil Administration the Arab Palestinians have been encouraged to participate directly in the Civil Administration under the Mandate for Palestine. The HoAP had unilaterally decided their own fate. Even if a choice is given to them --- and the HoAP consider the options unacceptable and declined to participate, --- that is still exercising self-determination and the future consequences of their choice. And that policy existed in the beginning when "in 1923, a third attempt was made by the Mandatory, to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The Mandatory Power had proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine" which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognized that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration.” But each time the HoAP were offered participation and integration into the administration of Palestine, no matter what it was, including the recommendation put forth by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) and the recommendations adopted by the General Assembly [A/RES/181(II)] (1947). In early 1948, the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) noted that:

"Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein."
​

The HoAP are always complaining about their "Right of Self-Determination" --- yet when the HoAP exercised their "right" they invariably were unsatisfied with the outcomes and consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

US coup begins @ 6:40

Still no actual evidence to support your claim, just personal opinions and possibles based on no facts on the ground

 

[Phoenall]

A YouTube video is always an accurate and literal rendering of islamo-claims to:

I blame the Great Satan ™, or alternately,

I blame The Zionist Entity™

or sometimes, both pleas as a way to excuse Arab-Moslem terrorism.

Three different reports from three different countries that all match the facts on the ground.

Do you have anything different?

Do you have anything to support your islamonazi propaganda, as this is all you seem to post

 

[Phoenall]

A YouTube video is always an accurate and literal rendering of islamo-claims to:

I blame the Great Satan ™, or alternately,

I blame The Zionist Entity™

or sometimes, both pleas as a way to excuse Arab-Moslem terrorism.

Three different reports from three different countries that all match the facts on the ground.

Do you have anything different?

You suffer from the I saw it on YouTube so it must be true ™, syndrome.

By the way, did you notice your cut and paste YouTube videos bear the "Democracy Now", logo?

Mindless cutting and pasting from far left / conspiracy theory promoting YouTube channels suggests promotion of propaganda is your primary goal.

What is your proposed conspiracy theory for the refusal of new elections by either of the current Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank?

Clearly you are just shoveling shit because you don't know jack.

The liars say that Hamas had a coup in Gaza. This lie is so obvious yet there are many dupes who believe it.

Hamas was the elected government in office. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza but in the West Bank too.

So, what would be the point of having a coup?
-----------------------
The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

It wasnt a coup it was the elimination of their opponents who also won seats in gaza and the west bank. Or if you prefer a massacre of children to remind fatah that hamas is now in charge and they had better believe it

 

[Phoenall]

A YouTube video is always an accurate and literal rendering of islamo-claims to:

I blame the Great Satan ™, or alternately,

I blame The Zionist Entity™

or sometimes, both pleas as a way to excuse Arab-Moslem terrorism.

Three different reports from three different countries that all match the facts on the ground.

Do you have anything different?

You suffer from the I saw it on YouTube so it must be true ™, syndrome.

By the way, did you notice your cut and paste YouTube videos bear the "Democracy Now", logo?

Mindless cutting and pasting from far left / conspiracy theory promoting YouTube channels suggests promotion of propaganda is your primary goal.

What is your proposed conspiracy theory for the refusal of new elections by either of the current Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank?

Clearly you are just shoveling shit because you don't know jack.

The liars say that Hamas had a coup in Gaza. This lie is so obvious yet there are many dupes who believe it.

Hamas was the elected government in office. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza but in the West Bank too.

So, what would be the point of having a coup?
-----------------------
The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

I'm somehow not impressed with your determination regarding which of the competing islamist terrorist franchises is illegal vs. legal.

More importantly, both of the welfare fraud "governments" occupying the disputed territories have a peculiar similarity to so many other corrupt islamic terrorist groups masquerading as "governments" all across the islamist Middle East.

It's an odd thing, don't you think? So many other societies/cultures have managed to overcome adversity of many kinds and managed to rise above that adversity, manage their affairs and chart their own destiny without the endless decades of incompetence and ineptitude that defines so much of the islamist world.

There seems to be a common theme that connects retrogression, self-destruction and failure that defines theocratic totalitarian islamo-societies.

Any guesses on what that common theme might be?

You are just babbling because you have nothing to refute my post.

Everything written on this board refutes your every word and you are left with nothing but the same old lies

 

[Mindful]

Three different reports from three different countries that all match the facts on the ground.

Do you have anything different?

You suffer from the I saw it on YouTube so it must be true ™, syndrome.

By the way, did you notice your cut and paste YouTube videos bear the "Democracy Now", logo?

Mindless cutting and pasting from far left / conspiracy theory promoting YouTube channels suggests promotion of propaganda is your primary goal.

What is your proposed conspiracy theory for the refusal of new elections by either of the current Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank?

Clearly you are just shoveling shit because you don't know jack.

The liars say that Hamas had a coup in Gaza. This lie is so obvious yet there are many dupes who believe it.

Hamas was the elected government in office. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza but in the West Bank too.

So, what would be the point of having a coup?
-----------------------
The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

I'm somehow not impressed with your determination regarding which of the competing islamist terrorist franchises is illegal vs. legal.

More importantly, both of the welfare fraud "governments" occupying the disputed territories have a peculiar similarity to so many other corrupt islamic terrorist groups masquerading as "governments" all across the islamist Middle East.

It's an odd thing, don't you think? So many other societies/cultures have managed to overcome adversity of many kinds and managed to rise above that adversity, manage their affairs and chart their own destiny without the endless decades of incompetence and ineptitude that defines so much of the islamist world.

There seems to be a common theme that connects retrogression, self-destruction and failure that defines theocratic totalitarian islamo-societies.

Any guesses on what that common theme might be?

You are just babbling because you have nothing to refute my post.

Everything written on this board refutes your every word and you are left with nothing but the same old lies

Did you see Abbas at Shimon Peres's funeral?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I vaguely remember you just tearing me up during those 2006 elections for criticizing them.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, well you have your opinion.

The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

(COMMENT)

There is nothing "illegal" about the Ramallah Government, the Government of Palestine, or what ever you want to call it.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) cannot admit a non-state entity which does not possesses capacity to conclude treaties.

1. A person is considered as representing a State for the purpose of adopting or authenticating the text of a treaty or for the purpose of expressing the consent of the State to be bound by a treaty if:

(a) he produces appropriate full powers; or

(b) it appears from the practice of the States concerned or from other circumstances that their intention was to consider that person as representing the State for such purposes and to dispense with full powers.
​

2. In virtue of their functions and without having to produce full powers, the following are considered as representing their State:

(a) Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers for Foreign Affairs, for the purpose of performing all acts relating to the conclusion of a treaty;

(b) heads of diplomatic missions, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty between the accrediting State and the State to which they are accredited;

(c) representatives accredited by States to an international conference or to an international organization or one of its organs, for the purpose of adopting the text of a treaty in that conference, organization or organ.
​

The ICC recognized that the "State of Palestine" acceded to the Rome Statute and the Agreement on Privileges and Immunities of the Court ("APIC") on 2 January 2015.

Most Respectfully,
R

Political opinions do not change the law.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007. With the help of US supplied guns, money, and political cover, i.e. lies, he set up an illegal government in the West Bank after his resignation. Neither the Prime Minister nor any of his Cabinet Ministers have been approved by parliament as required by their constitution.

We have an unelected president and an unapproved PM and cabinet.

I don't see anything legal there.

(COMMENT)

If the Arab Palestinians cannot follow their own Basic Law, then that is their problem. It is not at all uncommon for Arab League countries to have a violent change in the government. Just look at the impact of the Arab Spring.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is not at all uncommon for Arab League countries to have a violent change in the government.​

At the point of US guns.

Since when have kalishnivovs been made in the USA ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

HAMAS, a Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) militant and jihadist group, serves as one of two major political parties, is an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya ("Islamic Resistance Movement"). It is a prominent rival party by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Fatah organization. The PLO-Fatah (as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people") has has not yet actually renounced violence; but has, instead --- incited, encouraged, and political honored the martyrs of the Islamic jihadist, insurgents, guerrilla's, rebels, resistance and other asymmetric activities and individual initiative to strike-out and inflict harms on the Israelis.

Both HAMAS and the PLO-Fatah, incite, support, finance and encourage various other elements and splinter organizations of the HoAP (as the protected persons), who commit offenses or conduct activities which is solely intended to harm the Israel (as the Occupying Power), are subject to prosecution. Just as HoAP actions which represent a collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the Israeli police and security forces --- administrations, --- or the installations used by them, shall be liable to prosecution and serious fines and sentencing.

The US administration continued to treat Fatah as if it had won the election rather than lost it - funding, arming, and directly encouraging agents within it to reverse the outcome of that democratic election by force. The Palestinian president brought pressure to bear on Hamas to change its position on recognition of Israel. Palestinians refused to participate in this externally driven coup - indeed, the vast majority of Fatah cadres rejected outright an enterprise so clearly directed at destroying the Palestinian body politic. Both the prisoners' document and the Mecca agreement signed in Saudi Arabia creating a national unity government took place because Palestinian society insisted on a national framework. Yet a small group has brought us to this point. The outcome is what we have before us today, similar to what the Americans were seeking to create in Iraq: the total exclusion of democratic practices and principles, the attempt to impose an oligarchy on a fragmented political society, a weakened and terrorised people, a foreign rule through warlords and strongmen.

Karma Nabulsi: The people of Palestine must finally be allowed to determine their own fate​

(COMMENT)

The "People of Palestine" have, since the (1920) termination of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) and transition to the Civil Administration the Arab Palestinians have been encouraged to participate directly in the Civil Administration under the Mandate for Palestine. The HoAP had unilaterally decided their own fate. Even if a choice is given to them --- and the HoAP consider the options unacceptable and declined to participate, --- that is still exercising self-determination and the future consequences of their choice. And that policy existed in the beginning when "in 1923, a third attempt was made by the Mandatory, to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The Mandatory Power had proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine" which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognized that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration.” But each time the HoAP were offered participation and integration into the administration of Palestine, no matter what it was, including the recommendation put forth by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) and the recommendations adopted by the General Assembly [A/RES/181(II)] (1947). In early 1948, the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) noted that:

"Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein."
​

The HoAP are always complaining about their "Right of Self-Determination" --- yet when the HoAP exercised their "right" they invariably were unsatisfied with the outcomes and consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

Pfffft, your usual slime the Palestinians piece.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

HAMAS, a Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) militant and jihadist group, serves as one of two major political parties, is an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya ("Islamic Resistance Movement"). It is a prominent rival party by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Fatah organization. The PLO-Fatah (as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people") has has not yet actually renounced violence; but has, instead --- incited, encouraged, and political honored the martyrs of the Islamic jihadist, insurgents, guerrilla's, rebels, resistance and other asymmetric activities and individual initiative to strike-out and inflict harms on the Israelis.

Both HAMAS and the PLO-Fatah, incite, support, finance and encourage various other elements and splinter organizations of the HoAP (as the protected persons), who commit offenses or conduct activities which is solely intended to harm the Israel (as the Occupying Power), are subject to prosecution. Just as HoAP actions which represent a collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the Israeli police and security forces --- administrations, --- or the installations used by them, shall be liable to prosecution and serious fines and sentencing.

The US administration continued to treat Fatah as if it had won the election rather than lost it - funding, arming, and directly encouraging agents within it to reverse the outcome of that democratic election by force. The Palestinian president brought pressure to bear on Hamas to change its position on recognition of Israel. Palestinians refused to participate in this externally driven coup - indeed, the vast majority of Fatah cadres rejected outright an enterprise so clearly directed at destroying the Palestinian body politic. Both the prisoners' document and the Mecca agreement signed in Saudi Arabia creating a national unity government took place because Palestinian society insisted on a national framework. Yet a small group has brought us to this point. The outcome is what we have before us today, similar to what the Americans were seeking to create in Iraq: the total exclusion of democratic practices and principles, the attempt to impose an oligarchy on a fragmented political society, a weakened and terrorised people, a foreign rule through warlords and strongmen.

Karma Nabulsi: The people of Palestine must finally be allowed to determine their own fate​

(COMMENT)

The "People of Palestine" have, since the (1920) termination of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) and transition to the Civil Administration the Arab Palestinians have been encouraged to participate directly in the Civil Administration under the Mandate for Palestine. The HoAP had unilaterally decided their own fate. Even if a choice is given to them --- and the HoAP consider the options unacceptable and declined to participate, --- that is still exercising self-determination and the future consequences of their choice. And that policy existed in the beginning when "in 1923, a third attempt was made by the Mandatory, to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The Mandatory Power had proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine" which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognized that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration.” But each time the HoAP were offered participation and integration into the administration of Palestine, no matter what it was, including the recommendation put forth by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) and the recommendations adopted by the General Assembly [A/RES/181(II)] (1947). In early 1948, the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) noted that:

"Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein."
​

The HoAP are always complaining about their "Right of Self-Determination" --- yet when the HoAP exercised their "right" they invariably were unsatisfied with the outcomes and consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

Pfffft, your usual slime the Palestinians piece.

Slime the Pal'istanians™

What I found pretty typical is that as a reaction to your hurt feelings, you stomp your feet and seethe as opposed to making any effort to address the salient points.

It's just remarkable that you and others will excuse 68 years of Arab-Moslem intransigence, decades of islamic terrorist attacks and a welfare scam that continues the fraud of an invented Pal'istanian people as a means to placate your insensate Jooo hatreds.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A YouTube video is always an accurate and literal rendering of islamo-claims to:

I blame the Great Satan ™, or alternately,

I blame The Zionist Entity™

or sometimes, both pleas as a way to excuse Arab-Moslem terrorism.

Three different reports from three different countries that all match the facts on the ground.

Do you have anything different?

You suffer from the I saw it on YouTube so it must be true ™, syndrome.

By the way, did you notice your cut and paste YouTube videos bear the "Democracy Now", logo?

Mindless cutting and pasting from far left / conspiracy theory promoting YouTube channels suggests promotion of propaganda is your primary goal.

What is your proposed conspiracy theory for the refusal of new elections by either of the current Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank?

Clearly you are just shoveling shit because you don't know jack.

The liars say that Hamas had a coup in Gaza. This lie is so obvious yet there are many dupes who believe it.

Hamas was the elected government in office. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza but in the West Bank too.

So, what would be the point of having a coup?
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The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

It wasnt a coup it was the elimination of their opponents who also won seats in gaza and the west bank. Or if you prefer a massacre of children to remind fatah that hamas is now in charge and they had better believe it

Load of Israeli crap. Fatah was not kicked out of Gaza. Only the members of the coup were kicked out. Hamas gave amnesty to all Fatah members who were not part of the coup. The members of parliament retained their seats.

Gaza starts @ 13:15

 

[Hollie]

A YouTube video is always an accurate and literal rendering of islamo-claims to:

I blame the Great Satan ™, or alternately,

I blame The Zionist Entity™

or sometimes, both pleas as a way to excuse Arab-Moslem terrorism.

Three different reports from three different countries that all match the facts on the ground.

Do you have anything different?

You suffer from the I saw it on YouTube so it must be true ™, syndrome.

By the way, did you notice your cut and paste YouTube videos bear the "Democracy Now", logo?

Mindless cutting and pasting from far left / conspiracy theory promoting YouTube channels suggests promotion of propaganda is your primary goal.

What is your proposed conspiracy theory for the refusal of new elections by either of the current Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank?

Clearly you are just shoveling shit because you don't know jack.

The liars say that Hamas had a coup in Gaza. This lie is so obvious yet there are many dupes who believe it.

Hamas was the elected government in office. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza but in the West Bank too.

So, what would be the point of having a coup?
-----------------------
The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

It wasnt a coup it was the elimination of their opponents who also won seats in gaza and the west bank. Or if you prefer a massacre of children to remind fatah that hamas is now in charge and they had better believe it

Load of Israeli crap. Fatah was not kicked out of Gaza. Only the members of the coup were kicked out. Hamas gave amnesty to all Fatah members who were not part of the coup. The members of parliament retained their seats.

Gaza starts @ 13:15

 

[P F Tinmore]

Three different reports from three different countries that all match the facts on the ground.

Do you have anything different?

You suffer from the I saw it on YouTube so it must be true ™, syndrome.

By the way, did you notice your cut and paste YouTube videos bear the "Democracy Now", logo?

Mindless cutting and pasting from far left / conspiracy theory promoting YouTube channels suggests promotion of propaganda is your primary goal.

What is your proposed conspiracy theory for the refusal of new elections by either of the current Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank?

Clearly you are just shoveling shit because you don't know jack.

The liars say that Hamas had a coup in Gaza. This lie is so obvious yet there are many dupes who believe it.

Hamas was the elected government in office. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza but in the West Bank too.

So, what would be the point of having a coup?
-----------------------
The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

It wasnt a coup it was the elimination of their opponents who also won seats in gaza and the west bank. Or if you prefer a massacre of children to remind fatah that hamas is now in charge and they had better believe it

Load of Israeli crap. Fatah was not kicked out of Gaza. Only the members of the coup were kicked out. Hamas gave amnesty to all Fatah members who were not part of the coup. The members of parliament retained their seats.

Gaza starts @ 13:15

Hamas coup?

What a load of Israeli crap.

 

[Hollie]

You suffer from the I saw it on YouTube so it must be true ™, syndrome.

By the way, did you notice your cut and paste YouTube videos bear the "Democracy Now", logo?

Mindless cutting and pasting from far left / conspiracy theory promoting YouTube channels suggests promotion of propaganda is your primary goal.

What is your proposed conspiracy theory for the refusal of new elections by either of the current Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank?

Clearly you are just shoveling shit because you don't know jack.

The liars say that Hamas had a coup in Gaza. This lie is so obvious yet there are many dupes who believe it.

Hamas was the elected government in office. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza but in the West Bank too.

So, what would be the point of having a coup?
-----------------------
The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

It wasnt a coup it was the elimination of their opponents who also won seats in gaza and the west bank. Or if you prefer a massacre of children to remind fatah that hamas is now in charge and they had better believe it

Load of Israeli crap. Fatah was not kicked out of Gaza. Only the members of the coup were kicked out. Hamas gave amnesty to all Fatah members who were not part of the coup. The members of parliament retained their seats.

Gaza starts @ 13:15

Hamas coup?

What a load of Israeli crap.

You poor, dear. I suppose your islamo-history comes only from selected YouTube videos approved by the prayer leader at your madrassah.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Clearly you are just shoveling shit because you don't know jack.

The liars say that Hamas had a coup in Gaza. This lie is so obvious yet there are many dupes who believe it.

Hamas was the elected government in office. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza but in the West Bank too.

So, what would be the point of having a coup?
-----------------------
The "PA" in the West Bank is an illegal government. Can anyone trust an illegal government to hold fair elections?

It wasnt a coup it was the elimination of their opponents who also won seats in gaza and the west bank. Or if you prefer a massacre of children to remind fatah that hamas is now in charge and they had better believe it

Load of Israeli crap. Fatah was not kicked out of Gaza. Only the members of the coup were kicked out. Hamas gave amnesty to all Fatah members who were not part of the coup. The members of parliament retained their seats.

Gaza starts @ 13:15

Hamas coup?

What a load of Israeli crap.

You poor, dear. I suppose your islamo-history comes only from selected YouTube videos approved by the prayer leader at your madrassah.

Deep thinking is not the Zionist's long suit.

The universally agreed upon purpose of a coup is to remove the present government and replace it with your own. Little or nothing remains of the previous government.

Now let's look at the results of Israel's bullshit coup.

• The president was still the president.
• The Prime Minister was still the Prime Minister.
• None of the Cabinet Ministers were changed.
• Nobody in the Parliament were changed.
• No laws were changed.
• The constitution remained in force.

Where do you see a coup?

 

[Hollie]

It wasnt a coup it was the elimination of their opponents who also won seats in gaza and the west bank. Or if you prefer a massacre of children to remind fatah that hamas is now in charge and they had better believe it

Load of Israeli crap. Fatah was not kicked out of Gaza. Only the members of the coup were kicked out. Hamas gave amnesty to all Fatah members who were not part of the coup. The members of parliament retained their seats.

Gaza starts @ 13:15

Hamas coup?

What a load of Israeli crap.

You poor, dear. I suppose your islamo-history comes only from selected YouTube videos approved by the prayer leader at your madrassah.

Deep thinking is not the Zionist's long suit.

The universally agreed upon purpose of a coup is to remove the present government and replace it with your own. Little or nothing remains of the previous government.

Now let's look at the results of Israel's bullshit coup.

• The president was still the president.
• The Prime Minister was still the Prime Minister.
• None of the Cabinet Ministers were changed.
• Nobody in the Parliament were changed.
• No laws were changed.
• The constitution remained in force.

Where do you see a coup?

The Zionists™ coup?

Previously you claimed The Coup™ was an undertaking of
The Great Satan™

 

[P F Tinmore]

Load of Israeli crap. Fatah was not kicked out of Gaza. Only the members of the coup were kicked out. Hamas gave amnesty to all Fatah members who were not part of the coup. The members of parliament retained their seats.

Gaza starts @ 13:15

Hamas coup?

What a load of Israeli crap.

You poor, dear. I suppose your islamo-history comes only from selected YouTube videos approved by the prayer leader at your madrassah.

Deep thinking is not the Zionist's long suit.

The universally agreed upon purpose of a coup is to remove the present government and replace it with your own. Little or nothing remains of the previous government.

Now let's look at the results of Israel's bullshit coup.

• The president was still the president.
• The Prime Minister was still the Prime Minister.
• None of the Cabinet Ministers were changed.
• Nobody in the Parliament were changed.
• No laws were changed.
• The constitution remained in force.

Where do you see a coup?

The Zionists™ coup?

Previously you claimed The Coup™ was an undertaking of
The Great Satan™

So you post more meaningless clutter.