Calif Raises Cost of 1st Phase of Train to Nowhere by 35% to $10.6B

[Weatherman2020]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


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The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

So do you have a link to back that up?

You really believe the train passengers will cover the operational costs?

 

[Eaglewings]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The cost-benefits to the train will more than trickle down to Central California, and when completed to all Californian's in years to come. Some day a POTUS will be elected who is rational, forward thinking and puts our nation first.

The Reader might want to research the cost to invade and occupy Iraq, in terms of total cost in Blood and Treasure, vis a vis the building of rail in CA.

The Transcontinental Railroad during the Civil War is an example of forward thinking. Lincoln signed the bill to build the RR and it paid for itself before the Oil, battery and tire lobby created the system which uses their products.

Funny how trickle down suddenly works if it’s a leftist boondoggle project.

Well , it will certainly open up jobs in these rural areas.. unlike what the stupid trickle down your leg GOP tax bullshit will do.

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[Weatherman2020]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


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Entire route was promised to be finished by now at less cost than the uncompleted Bakersfield to Merced phase.

Boondoggle epic failure.

 

[Eaglewings]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

So do you have a link to back that up?

You really believe the train passengers will cover the operational costs?

I really don't know that..I bet by 2025 it will be much more to ride.

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[Weatherman2020]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The cost-benefits to the train will more than trickle down to Central California, and when completed to all Californian's in years to come. Some day a POTUS will be elected who is rational, forward thinking and puts our nation first.

The Reader might want to research the cost to invade and occupy Iraq, in terms of total cost in Blood and Treasure, vis a vis the building of rail in CA.

The Transcontinental Railroad during the Civil War is an example of forward thinking. Lincoln signed the bill to build the RR and it paid for itself before the Oil, battery and tire lobby created the system which uses their products.

Funny how trickle down suddenly works if it’s a leftist boondoggle project.

Well , it will certainly open up jobs in these rural areas.. unlike what the stupid trickle down your leg GOP tax bullshit will do.

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Out of state union mob companies have the work.

Californians just get the debt.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

So do you have a link to back that up?

You really believe the train passengers will cover the operational costs?

I really don't know that..I bet by 2025 it will be much more to ride.

.

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There is no mass transit that is self sustaining. It’s why despite the pleas, no private investors would touch this boondoggle.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

Taking the train is exactly like taking a plane with the exception of TSA. And if they have a brain they’ll implement TSA at the train stations, lovely target. Of which 600 miles of exposed track is available to be fiddled with. Terrorists dream come true to watch a high speed train go flying.

You have to fight traffic to get to the station, try to park, take a shuttle to your rental car, then fight traffic.

 

[Eaglewings]

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

So do you have a link to back that up?

You really believe the train passengers will cover the operational costs?

I really don't know that..I bet by 2025 it will be much more to ride.

.

.

There is no mass transit that is self sustaining. It’s why despite the pleas, no private investors would touch this boondoggle.

Do you have a link on who is building this.

And here is a job projection

http://www.hsr.ca.gov/docs/about/business_plans/BPlan_2012EIR.pdf



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[Weatherman2020]

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

So do you have a link to back that up?

You really believe the train passengers will cover the operational costs?

I really don't know that..I bet by 2025 it will be much more to ride.

.

.

There is no mass transit that is self sustaining. It’s why despite the pleas, no private investors would touch this boondoggle.

Do you have a link on who is building this.

And here is a job projection

http://www.hsr.ca.gov/docs/about/business_plans/BPlan_2012EIR.pdf



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I don’t want to take the time for a link. Take it or leave it. Jerry Brown and super majority career Democrats is all I’ll say.

 

[task0778]

https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/california_high_speed_rail_report.pdf


Reason.org did a CBA on the LA-to-SF high speed rail about 5 years ago, and it wasn't positive. Which comes as no surprise, as far as I know every gov't project ALWAYS costs more than they told you it would, doesn't deliver the expected results on time, and ALWAYS underestimates the benefits. CA can do whatever they want but dang, this looks like one helluvaboondogle to me.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


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people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..
yea if you want to live in shit places like Fresno and Stockton....

"shit places", seems you are emulating Trump, Harry.

Both have 4-year colleges, minor league baseball teams, and large minority populations. In fact, the central valley is one of the conservative regions in our State.

Just east of Stockton is Yosemite, and East of Fresno is Sequoia National Park. Stockton is a Sea Port and Fresno an agricultural center in one of the most productive food growing regions in the world. Shit holes, I think not.

 

[Wry Catcher]

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

If the point of this was to connect LA to San Fran with a high speed train wouldn't it have made more sense to run the tracks straight up the coast instead of deviating out to Bakersfield and going up through the center of the state?

The left live on the coast, they don’t want noisy trains messing up their pool parties.

For the same reason Hwy 5 was built in the valley - The terrain. The goal to reach SF and Sacramento made more sense, since Train tracks already exist from Tracy to San Jose, and SJ to SF.

LIght Rail, BART, SMART and Heavy Rail (CAL Train) currently exist in the Bay Area, and have never negatively impacted pool parties as the idiot-gram posted directly above proffered.

 

[westwall]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

The policy by the Board of Supervisor required that the lowest bid be accepted. Can you guess which side of the aisle promulgated this policy?

The Government Employee blew the whistle. Government employees, my colleagues, notified the County Manager who had no choice but to authorize the repairs which were costly.

Even you might be able to comprehend the distinction between a cost-deficit and a cost-benefit - something that fiscal conservatives must know, but choose not to consider since it is cheaper to take the risk when they hope they will be long gone before shit hits the fan (see the Tax Reform Bill for an example).

Why is there no mechanism to get rid of bad government employees?

 

[Weatherman2020]

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

If the point of this was to connect LA to San Fran with a high speed train wouldn't it have made more sense to run the tracks straight up the coast instead of deviating out to Bakersfield and going up through the center of the state?

The left live on the coast, they don’t want noisy trains messing up their pool parties.

For the same reason Hwy 5 was built in the valley - The terrain. The goal to reach SF and Sacramento made more sense, since Train tracks already exist from Tracy to San Jose, and SJ to SF.

LIght Rail, BART, SMART and Heavy Rail (CAL Train) currently exist in the Bay Area, and have never negatively impacted pool parties as the idiot-gram posted directly above proffered.

Oh wow, ghettos of Oakland have train tracks so that’s just like the areas the elites live in.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

The policy by the Board of Supervisor required that the lowest bid be accepted. Can you guess which side of the aisle promulgated this policy?

The Government Employee blew the whistle. Government employees, my colleagues, notified the County Manager who had no choice but to authorize the repairs which were costly.

Even you might be able to comprehend the distinction between a cost-deficit and a cost-benefit - something that fiscal conservatives must know, but choose not to consider since it is cheaper to take the risk when they hope they will be long gone before shit hits the fan (see the Tax Reform Bill for an example).

Do you know why no private company is willing to fund the rail?

3 guesses, last two don’t count.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

The policy by the Board of Supervisor required that the lowest bid be accepted. Can you guess which side of the aisle promulgated this policy?

The Government Employee blew the whistle. Government employees, my colleagues, notified the County Manager who had no choice but to authorize the repairs which were costly.

Even you might be able to comprehend the distinction between a cost-deficit and a cost-benefit - something that fiscal conservatives must know, but choose not to consider since it is cheaper to take the risk when they hope they will be long gone before shit hits the fan (see the Tax Reform Bill for an example).

Why is there no mechanism to get rid of bad government employees?

Why do you believe this ^^^ is a true statement? I think you know this is not true, but choose to lie. Why?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

The policy by the Board of Supervisor required that the lowest bid be accepted. Can you guess which side of the aisle promulgated this policy?

The Government Employee blew the whistle. Government employees, my colleagues, notified the County Manager who had no choice but to authorize the repairs which were costly.

Even you might be able to comprehend the distinction between a cost-deficit and a cost-benefit - something that fiscal conservatives must know, but choose not to consider since it is cheaper to take the risk when they hope they will be long gone before shit hits the fan (see the Tax Reform Bill for an example).

Do you know why no private company is willing to fund the rail?

3 guesses, last two don’t count.

It's not for profit. That seems to be the only thing which concerns people like you. Had leaders in the past not had foresight we wouldn't have any public transportation, it would all be run by private companies.

Those who don't study history, are doomed to relive the errors of the past. Do any of your kind understand why the Articles of Confederation failed?

 

[westwall]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

The policy by the Board of Supervisor required that the lowest bid be accepted. Can you guess which side of the aisle promulgated this policy?

The Government Employee blew the whistle. Government employees, my colleagues, notified the County Manager who had no choice but to authorize the repairs which were costly.

Even you might be able to comprehend the distinction between a cost-deficit and a cost-benefit - something that fiscal conservatives must know, but choose not to consider since it is cheaper to take the risk when they hope they will be long gone before shit hits the fan (see the Tax Reform Bill for an example).

Why is there no mechanism to get rid of bad government employees?

Why do you believe this ^^^ is a true statement? I think you know this is not true, but choose to lie. Why?

Because it is true. Absent a government employee killing someone it is almost impossible to get rid of incompetent or corrupt ones.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

The policy by the Board of Supervisor required that the lowest bid be accepted. Can you guess which side of the aisle promulgated this policy?

The Government Employee blew the whistle. Government employees, my colleagues, notified the County Manager who had no choice but to authorize the repairs which were costly.

Even you might be able to comprehend the distinction between a cost-deficit and a cost-benefit - something that fiscal conservatives must know, but choose not to consider since it is cheaper to take the risk when they hope they will be long gone before shit hits the fan (see the Tax Reform Bill for an example).

Do you know why no private company is willing to fund the rail?

3 guesses, last two don’t count.

It's not for profit. That seems to be the only thing which concerns people like you. Had leaders in the past not had foresight we wouldn't have any public transportation, it would all be run by private companies.

Those who don't study history, are doomed to relive the errors of the past. Do any of your kind understand why the Articles of Confederation failed?

The train to nowhere is nonprofit? Mission accomplished.

Now why is it nonprofit? Why does it need to the only means of transportation between the two cities that is nonprofit?

 

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Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

The policy by the Board of Supervisor required that the lowest bid be accepted. Can you guess which side of the aisle promulgated this policy?

The Government Employee blew the whistle. Government employees, my colleagues, notified the County Manager who had no choice but to authorize the repairs which were costly.

Even you might be able to comprehend the distinction between a cost-deficit and a cost-benefit - something that fiscal conservatives must know, but choose not to consider since it is cheaper to take the risk when they hope they will be long gone before shit hits the fan (see the Tax Reform Bill for an example).

Why is there no mechanism to get rid of bad government employees?

Why do you believe this ^^^ is a true statement? I think you know this is not true, but choose to lie. Why?

Because it is true. Absent a government employee killing someone it is almost impossible to get rid of incompetent or corrupt ones.

Hawaii nuclear attack alert being the latest example.