Calif Raises Cost of 1st Phase of Train to Nowhere by 35% to $10.6B

[Eaglewings]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


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The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

So do you have a link to back that up?

 

[bripat9643]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The cost-benefits to the train will more than trickle down to Central California, and when completed to all Californian's in years to come. Some day a POTUS will be elected who is rational, forward thinking and puts our nation first.

The Reader might want to research the cost to invade and occupy Iraq, in terms of total cost in Blood and Treasure, vis a vis the building of rail in CA.

Lincoln and the Transcontinental Railroad during the Civil War is an example of forward thinking. Lincoln signed the bill to build the RR and it paid for itself before the Oil, battery and tire lobby created the system which uses their products.

Both Continental railroads subsidized by the federal government went bankrupt. That's because, rather than go by the the direct most efficient route, they went to every congressional district conceivable. The construction was also extremely shoddy and lot's of it had to be redone.

That's what happens when politicians get involved in infrstructure projects. The $70 billion wasted on this project could do a lot of good for california's economy. Instead it will be poured into a white elephant that isn't needed.

 

[WillMunny]

One of the other stupid things about this high-speed rail is that it's competing with the most heavily traveled airline route in the world. Between the Bay Area and LA Area airports, there is literally a flight every few minutes in total.

 

[Eaglewings]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


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[bripat9643]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The price of a ticket for them to break even will have to be $5000. That's how fucking stupid these rail projects are. There is no mass transit system in the entire USA that is covering its costs.

So are you just making things up now? lol

A rail ride from Los Angeles to San Francisco – a popular route for 5 million air travelers a year – would cost $80 to $90, according to estimates. The trip would take less than three hours to complete


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The $70 billion price is many times the cost of buying all the planes that currently fly the route.

 

[g5000]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

Hmmmm...sounds familiar.

(The cost of) Trump's wall keeps getting higher and higher

 

[bripat9643]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


.

So it's going to increase urban sprawl? You idiots just don't think, do you?

 

[Eaglewings]

One of the other stupid things about this high-speed rail is that it's competing with the most heavily traveled airline route in the world. Between the Bay Area and LA Area airports, there is literally a flight every few minutes in total.

Well, maybe the flights will come down , good to have competition..

The train will take less time due to all of the bullshit you have to go through to travel by plane.

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[westwall]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The price of a ticket for them to break even will have to be $5000. That's how fucking stupid these rail projects are. There is no mass transit system in the entire USA that is covering its costs.

So are you just making things up now? lol

A rail ride from Los Angeles to San Francisco – a popular route for 5 million air travelers a year – would cost $80 to $90, according to estimates. The trip would take less than three hours to complete


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Which is a ludicrous claim. Just take a look at the cost projections and how they have ALWAYS been wildly low. The government record on predictions is laughably bad. But you people lap them up as if they are the gods own truth.

 

[Eaglewings]

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


.

So it's going to increase urban sprawl? You idiots just don't think, do you?

Silicon Valley is maxed out as far as housing... People are driving in horrible traffic into the Bay area from Sacramento..2 -4 hours a day for affordable housing..

.

 

[bripat9643]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The price of a ticket for them to break even will have to be $5000. That's how fucking stupid these rail projects are. There is no mass transit system in the entire USA that is covering its costs.

So are you just making things up now? lol

A rail ride from Los Angeles to San Francisco – a popular route for 5 million air travelers a year – would cost $80 to $90, according to estimates. The trip would take less than three hours to complete


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Only a fool would believe those estimates. I'll repeat: no mass transit system in the entire USA comes anywhere near to even covering their operating costs, let alone their capital costs. Politicians and bureacrats always wildly underestimate the cost of running these systems.

The trip will also take far longer than 3 hours when you include the time for all the stops along the way.

 

[bripat9643]

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


.

So it's going to increase urban sprawl? You idiots just don't think, do you?

Silicon Valley is maxed out as far as housing... People are driving in horrible traffic into the Bay area from Sacramento..2 -4 hours a day for affordable housing..

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It's nowhere near "maxed out." State and local governments have placed large areas of land off limits for construction. San Francisco has also posed height limits on large areas of the city. Then there are all the government regulations that make it very expensive to build.

 

[westwall]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


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Tracy is the farthest hub of commuters for silicon valley. Manteca, Brentwood and Antioch are feeders for SF, and they have BART all the way to Antioch now. Dublin is now filled with mcmansions at 800K per so an area that used to be affordable is no longer. Livermore is still pretty reasonable, but even there the prices are escalating out of the reach of normal people. Adding to the public debt, to fun a railroad that won't help those people in the slightest is a crime.

It will increase their cost of living while doing nothing to increase their quality of life.

 

[Eaglewings]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The price of a ticket for them to break even will have to be $5000. That's how fucking stupid these rail projects are. There is no mass transit system in the entire USA that is covering its costs.

So are you just making things up now? lol

A rail ride from Los Angeles to San Francisco – a popular route for 5 million air travelers a year – would cost $80 to $90, according to estimates. The trip would take less than three hours to complete


.

Which is a ludicrous claim. Just take a look at the cost projections and how they have ALWAYS been wildly low. The government record on predictions is laughably bad. But you people lap them up as if they are the gods own truth.

Yes I agree, but just like building a home it is almost impossible to really stay on budget. I could never afford it today. I built my home in 2000..

I will say that people are stupid greedy right now as far as construction in this area.. The rich in SF have kicked the low income,middle income out of affordable housing to build hi-rise condos for $3 million apartments ..1000 sq feet probably.

No Trickle Down there..

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[Wyatt earp]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

It's garbage and pure antique technology.


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[westwall]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The price of a ticket for them to break even will have to be $5000. That's how fucking stupid these rail projects are. There is no mass transit system in the entire USA that is covering its costs.

So are you just making things up now? lol

A rail ride from Los Angeles to San Francisco – a popular route for 5 million air travelers a year – would cost $80 to $90, according to estimates. The trip would take less than three hours to complete


.

Which is a ludicrous claim. Just take a look at the cost projections and how they have ALWAYS been wildly low. The government record on predictions is laughably bad. But you people lap them up as if they are the gods own truth.

Yes I agree, but just like building a home it is almost impossible to really stay on budget. I could never afford it today. I built my home in 2000..

I will say that people are stupid greedy right now as far as construction in this area.. The rich in SF have kicked the low income,middle income out of affordable housing to build hi-rise condos for 3 million apartments.

No Trickle Down there..

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And who runs SF? Hell, who runs all of the Bay Area? Face it the Dems are the Party of the rich and privileged.

 

[bripat9643]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


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The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

So do you have a link to back that up?

The following just covers operating costs. None of these systems are even talking about ever paying off the capital cost of building them:

 

[Wry Catcher]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


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The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

 

[Eaglewings]

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


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A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


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Tracy is the farthest hub of commuters for silicon valley. Manteca, Brentwood and Antioch are feeders for SF, and they have BART all the way to Antioch now. Dublin is now filled with mcmansions at 800K per so an area that used to be affordable is no longer. Livermore is still pretty reasonable, but even there the prices are escalating out of the reach of normal people. Adding to the public debt, to fun a railroad that won't help those people in the slightest is a crime.

It will increase their cost of living while doing nothing to increase their quality of life.

Westie I personally know people who drive the commute from Sacramento.. Tracy was actually backed up for 2 hours today what a nightmare... I hate driving the freeways now, people are crazy, tired and frustrated.. The BART system is finally connecting to the trains and bus routes .
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[bripat9643]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

You will still have to go through security when you get on the train, You will have to rent a car, unless there's a stop right near your final destination. How is this train going to improve anything? It will take three hours to get from one end to the other, and that's without any stops along the way. Each stop will take at least 15 minutes.

All you brainiacs who think your schemes are the solution to society's problems never consider all the issues involved. Hard thinking businessmen have considered such projects and concluded they don't justify the cost.