Bush got Saddam Hussein

[Obamanation]

Iraq cost us over 4000 American lives, and at least 3 trillion dollars. And for what?

Yeah, ask all those Democratic Congressmen who got us into the war!

Only I think 3 republicans voted against it.
Lots more demoncrats voted against it.

Did not the Republicans control both houses?

No Dems held the senate 51-49 --- over half the dems voted for it....

Reps did hold the house and still 82 Dems voted for it...

Libs should have been all for it! Their hero's, the European socialists were all for it too. The euro's are even the ones who provided the intel that made the whole thing happen.

---only unrealistic haters would truely blame bush for iraq. All of our biggest Allies led the charge --- and even the etch-a-sketch lefties in Congress were for it before they were against it. (of course that is only an issue if you are a Republican) --- you won't hear Chris Matthews dogging all the dems in Congress for changing views...

 

[Cheddarmelon]

so?

Come out of the closet .... Big deal huh

and that bastard obama should just come clean and admit that he was born in kenya and prays to allah, right?

you are damn right

And now I can up your dumbfuckery level to 6. Anyone still clinging to the "birther" nonsense is willfully stupid, dumber than bricks.

you COULD do yourself a favour, and educate yourself... but I'm concerned moving from lack of thought to some minor cognitive function, could give you blinding headaches.

Do you realize the things that would have to be done to pull this "secret muslim" conspiracy?

you don't, do you? you're just vomiting up the asylum quality bullshit that you swallowed willingly.

 

[skye]

and that bastard obama should just come clean and admit that he was born in kenya and prays to allah, right?

you are damn right

And now I can up your dumbfuckery level to 6. Anyone still clinging to the "birther" nonsense is willfully stupid, dumber than bricks.

you COULD do yourself a favour, and educate yourself... but I'm concerned moving from lack of thought to some minor cognitive function, could give you blinding headaches.

Do you realize the things that would have to be done to pull this "secret muslim" conspiracy?

you don't, do you? you're just vomiting up the asylum quality bullshit that you swallowed willingly.

Cheers!


Go suck a mango

or jump into the lake


whatever is quicker!

 

[Cheddarmelon]

you are damn right

And now I can up your dumbfuckery level to 6. Anyone still clinging to the "birther" nonsense is willfully stupid, dumber than bricks.

you COULD do yourself a favour, and educate yourself... but I'm concerned moving from lack of thought to some minor cognitive function, could give you blinding headaches.

Do you realize the things that would have to be done to pull this "secret muslim" conspiracy?

you don't, do you? you're just vomiting up the asylum quality bullshit that you swallowed willingly.

Cheers!


Go suck a mango

or jump into the lake


whatever is quicker!

so, the answer is "no. I don't have the foggiest clue." Keep clinging to debunked nonsense. Other refuted bullshit includes: the earth is flat. The moon landing was faked. Bathing is bad for you. The Sun revolves around the earth. Some people still believe THAT pile of shit too. Any of them fit in with your birtherism syndrome?

 

[LibertyLemming]

I seriously have Obama and W tied in my presidential ranks.

 

[Obamanation]

And now I can up your dumbfuckery level to 6. Anyone still clinging to the "birther" nonsense is willfully stupid, dumber than bricks.

you COULD do yourself a favour, and educate yourself... but I'm concerned moving from lack of thought to some minor cognitive function, could give you blinding headaches.

Do you realize the things that would have to be done to pull this "secret muslim" conspiracy?

you don't, do you? you're just vomiting up the asylum quality bullshit that you swallowed willingly.

Cheers!


Go suck a mango

or jump into the lake


whatever is quicker!

so, the answer is "no. I don't have the foggiest clue." Keep clinging to debunked nonsense. Other refuted bullshit includes: the earth is flat. The moon landing was faked. Bathing is bad for you. The Sun revolves around the earth. Some people still believe THAT pile of shit too. Any of them fit in with your birtherism syndrome?

More crap on this thread. Obama is the only reason there ever was a birther movement. Mr. "transparancy" has hidden his entire youth, and most of his young adulthood. The only reason people question his origin is because he continues to hide information about it....

He is a sneaky lying bastard, so it's no wonder that a large portion of America wonders what he is hiding.

 

[francoHFW]

Uncle Saddam, Raygun's and Rummie's pal? Jeebus, Chickenhawk Pub's are a disaster...see sig pp1 for domestic effect...

 

[francoHFW]

Cheers!


Go suck a mango

or jump into the lake


whatever is quicker!

so, the answer is "no. I don't have the foggiest clue." Keep clinging to debunked nonsense. Other refuted bullshit includes: the earth is flat. The moon landing was faked. Bathing is bad for you. The Sun revolves around the earth. Some people still believe THAT pile of shit too. Any of them fit in with your birtherism syndrome?

More crap on this thread. Obama is the only reason there ever was a birther movement. Mr. "transparancy" has hidden his entire youth, and most of his young adulthood. The only reason people question his origin is because he continues to hide information about it....

He is a sneaky lying bastard, so it's no wonder that a large portion of America wonders what he is hiding.

Yup, that;s why he wrote two best sellers about his life....dupe.

 

[Obamanation]

lol - I just read franco's sig --- a portion of it reads---

"Pubs have blocked EVERYTHING since 2/4/2010- don't be duped...again. Stimulus worked-ran out in 2010"

So I'm guessing he thinks all we the gov't to do is to spend an extra trillion dollars a year --- EVERY YEAR --- to keep the economy going. So, that means we just need to raise taxes a trillion dollars a year and all of our economic problems will be solved for ever! LMAO!!

I have never seen a bigger joke in my life!

 

[U2Edge]

Obama got bin Laden

Saddam was a head of state

which is bigger?

Are you nuts or ignorant?

Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11. The only reason Bush jumped him was because he tried to assassinate his daddy in 1993. Not to worry.....it only cost us 4400 young American lives, 35,000 seriously wounded and a trillion dollars. It was simply another case of us meddling in the business of an oil country. A country where we didn't evennneed to be.

Read this letter which was sent to Bill Clinton and then examine closely those who signed it:

January 26, 1998



The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC


Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.


Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.


Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

Here is what Bill Clinton had to say about Saddam Hussian in December 1998:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc]President Clinton orders attack on Iraq - YouTube[/ame]


Pay close attention to 7:08 to 7:30:

Bill Clinton:

"the hard fact is, that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world. The BEST way to in that THREAT, once and for all, is with a NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT. A government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people!

 

[U2Edge]

Bin Laden helped to kill 3000 innocent people, and was the bigger threat.

And we killed at least that many innocent people going after Sadam, who even Bush admitted had nothing to do with 911.

The number is FAR higher than 3000 innocents.

one thing I've never seen an answer for: What is the value of a life (civilian) relative to each other? I mean, how many dead iraqi civilians, make up for 1 dead american civilian? What is the "trade value" of their lives?

Well, what about the 20,000 French civilians who died in Normandy France from allied bombing during D-Day? Should the allies of cancelled the invasion of France?

 

[Obamanation]

And we killed at least that many innocent people going after Sadam, who even Bush admitted had nothing to do with 911.

The number is FAR higher than 3000 innocents.

one thing I've never seen an answer for: What is the value of a life (civilian) relative to each other? I mean, how many dead iraqi civilians, make up for 1 dead american civilian? What is the "trade value" of their lives?

Well, what about the 20,000 French civilians who died in Normandy France from allied bombing during D-Day? Should the allies of cancelled the invasion of France?

Come on now!!!! That was just to stop Hitler....

Obama got BIN LADEN! Besides, everyone knows the French are totally worthless anyway...

 

[U2Edge]

Iraq cost us over 4000 American lives, and at least 3 trillion dollars. And for what?

Yeah, ask all those Democratic Congressmen who got us into the war!

The bill they passed gave Bush the ability to go to war if neccessary. It was not neccessary, and that will forever be Bush's legacy. An unneccessary war, and an economic debacle.

Well, the United States was already at war with Iraq. The United States bombed Iraq every year from 1991 through 2003. Even before the votes in Congress in 2002, there were many airstrikes taking place on Iraqi anti-aircraft instalations and other positions. A ceacefire may have been declared in March 1991, but technically Gulf War 1 that was launched in response to Saddams invasion of Kuwait never really stopped. The collapse of Sanctions and weapons embargo from 1998-2002 thanks to Iraq's neighbors and Russia, China and France was the last straw to fall making Saddam's removal a necessity.

Without the key elements of containment fully in place, the only option left was regime change. Kuwait and northern Saudi Arabia are far safer today now that Saddam's regime is gone! Thats great news for the planet since the planet relies on energy produced in those areas for every day needs as well as keeping the overall cost of energy down which even impacts the price of the food that you put in your mouth every day!

 

[U2Edge]

The number is FAR higher than 3000 innocents.

one thing I've never seen an answer for: What is the value of a life (civilian) relative to each other? I mean, how many dead iraqi civilians, make up for 1 dead american civilian? What is the "trade value" of their lives?

Well, what about the 20,000 French civilians who died in Normandy France from allied bombing during D-Day? Should the allies of cancelled the invasion of France?

Come on now!!!! That was just to stop Hitler....

Obama got BIN LADEN! Besides, everyone knows the French are totally worthless anyway...

Well, in both cases the United States did not want to see innocent civilians die, but unfortunately that was a result of the United States doing what was a necessity. Removing Saddam became a necessity as well given the crumbling of the containment regime that was previously in place after the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire.

Waiting to remove Saddam years later would have only resulted in much higher US and coalition casualties and much higher civilian casualties.

 

[Obamanation]

Well, what about the 20,000 French civilians who died in Normandy France from allied bombing during D-Day? Should the allies of cancelled the invasion of France?

Come on now!!!! That was just to stop Hitler....

Obama got BIN LADEN! Besides, everyone knows the French are totally worthless anyway...

Well, in both cases the United States did not want to see innocent civilians die, but unfortunately that was a result of the United States doing what was a necessity. Removing Saddam became a necessity as well given the crumbling of the containment regime that was previously in place after the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire.

Waiting to remove Saddam years later would have only resulted in much higher US and coalition casualties and much higher civilian casualties.

Yeah, we really should have finished the job in 91.

 

[Lakhota]

I doubt many of you NaziCons even know who April Glaspie was.

Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?

 

[U2Edge]

Iraq cost us over 4000 American lives, and at least 3 trillion dollars. And for what?

To protect millions of people from a regime that was bent on dominating the most vital region to the planets global economy. The industrialized world can't survive without relatively cheap energy. Saddam threatened that and his neighbors and many in the security council let sanctions and the embargo slide after 1998. Without a robust containment regime, the only safe option was regime removal. Waiting longer, say years later, would only allow Saddam to time and money to rebuild his military and other resources. That would mean higher casualties both military and civilian once and invasion finally came about. The cost would dwarf the 861 Billion price tag as well. It was necessary for US and global security, plus acting then rather than later meant lower casualties and less financial costs.

 

[Obamanation]

I doubt many of you NaziCons even know who April Glaspie was.

Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?

So now it's our fault that Saddam invaded kuwait the first time...

Gotta love the left! Just blame America for all that is wrong with the world...

You are an idiot laquinta

 

[Wroberson]

Clearly ridding the World of Saddam was more important.

These three links will show,

1. 30 nations got oil contract from Iraq 1995-1999.
The French, Russians and China got the best deal thanks to food for oil deals.
Facts on Who Benefits From Keeping Saddam Hussein In Power

2. Spring of 2001 Dick Cheney's Iraq Oil Map.
Prior to 9/11 Cheney was already planning to control Iraqi oil contracts
"By 2010 we will need [a further] 50 million barrels a day. The Middle East, with two-thirds of the oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize lies." - US Vice President Dick Cheney, then Halliburton chief executive officer, London, autumn 1999
White House energy task forcepapers reveal Iraqi oil maps

3. 1-31-2001 Oval Office Meeting
This meeting was a discussion on how to remove Hussein from Iraq.
The meeting ended with W. saying, "Find me a way to do this".
Bush Sought 'Way' To Invade Iraq? - CBS News

In 2008, England and America finally got the contracts they were after.
BBC NEWS | Business | Iraq in third overseas oil deal

Bin Laden was a scapegoat. This was an American plan played out by Powerful Americans.
9/11 and Iraq was a UN deal.

 

[U2Edge]

What did Sadam do to us?

Invaded Kuwait and then annexed the country. First country to be annexed anywhere since Hitler did it in the 1940s. Raped Kuwait taking anything of value up to Baghdad. Then launched ballistic missile attacks against Saudi Arabia and Israel. He also invaded Saudi Arabia as well. Lets also not forget that he started the war with Iran when he invaded that country in September 1980. So, invaded and attacked four of his neighbors, several of whom the planet is dependent on for energy supply and keeping the price of energy down. Developed WMD and used it on a mass scale in the 1980s. With all these wars and internal massacres of his own people, Saddam was easily responsible for the deaths of over a million people. What Saddam did in August 1990 could not be tolerated, nor could his later violations of inspections and sanctions designed to contain in be tolerated either. The failure of the world to beef up sanctions and the embargo once they started to erode made the removal of his regime and absolute necessity.