Breaking News: Restaurants Closing All Over Seattle As $15 Minimum Wage Mandate Starts April 1st.

[2aguy]

never see anyone trying to set a maximum wage law

Careful....the left does talk about that...often....they also want your 401k plan money......they see that cash and they get all misty eyed thinking about taking that from you.......

 

[Preacher]

Hey rich republicans wanna go out of business rather than paying a decent wage good riddance. Cut off your nose to spite your face...no one cares.

 

[2aguy]

never see anyone trying to set a maximum wage law

Here you go....maximum wage law discussed.....

A Maximum Wage Law Lawrence J. Hanley

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Wow....I can see your username being on the ignore list of a growing number of members here.
BTW, If I work hard enough to earn the money to buy a Porsche that is MY FUCKING BUSINESS....Not yours.. Go suck shit through a straw. You empty headed licker of the bottom of other people's feet.

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

And it is lawless thugs such as you who deserve to "have a tragic accident in th course of your destruction".............................

What are you, just an ignorant n*gger, ya'll don't get your way so you want to loot and burn, cause destruction??

But yet you acuse me of hatred, what a shit storm of hypocrisy .........................

I am not a ****** I just think people deserve a livable wage. Period.

You are a FUCKING MORON, the ones in life who have SKILLS make more money than those IGNORANT masses. We all have to learn to crawl before we can walk.

The person has the option to say, NO, I don't want to work for that low wage.

None of this needs intervention from any government, local, state or federal( well I am for the federal minimum wage) agencies

So people should starve,go without paying bills BEFORE they get a livable wage if ever....keep it coming I am loving this republican common sense and compassion

Those are suggestions you make, once again the spoiled pillow princess whine ..........................

No they should strive to better themselves, live within their means, and prioritize.

That is the way reasonable and prudent people have been doing it for years and are still doing it!!

So once again with out putting words in my mouth, give us all another big laugh with some more of that liberal logic .................

 

[2aguy]

Hey rich republicans wanna go out of business rather than paying a decent wage good riddance. Cut off your nose to spite your face...no one cares.

yeah genius....you didn't, or couldn't, read the part about all the waiters and waitresses who will now make no money...at all.....you must have graduated last in your class at whatever government school controlled by the education wing of the democrat party that you attended.......

 

[2aguy]

$15 an hour X 0 hours is a pretty poor living wage.

Liberals were warned and they still did it. Lol

It actually works for them.....more people on government hand outs....they get to blame greedy restaurant owners...and the rich democrats still get to eat at their really nice, exclusive restaurants now staffed by the best waiters and waitresses...the only waiters and waitresses getting jobs........

It is truly a win win for democrats......

 

[Preacher]

Hey rich republicans wanna go out of business rather than paying a decent wage good riddance. Cut off your nose to spite your face...no one cares.

yeah genius....you didn't, or couldn't, read the part about all the waiters and waitresses who will now make no money...at all.....you must have graduated last in your class at whatever government school controlled by the education wing of the democrat party that you attended.......

Yeah but now they can collect unemployment and find new work at places that WILL do the right thing and raise their wage. Also I guess you didn't read the link I posted earlier but even though some businesses are closing some are opening up as well.

 

[SwimExpert]

And that's what proves your ignorance. You really believe a restaurant owner does all that when in reality he makes a pretty modest wage and many times less than the minimum wage employee.

Restaurants are pretty damn lucrative. Here's a hint: Go out to eat at your favorite middle priced restaurant with your S/O and another couple. Order a cocktail and entrees. The profit the restaurant made off your cocktails covered the material overhead costs of your entrees. Food costs typically average 20 to 25 percent. Labor usually is anywhere from 5 to 20 percent depending on the establishment and management's ability to manage labor.

 

[jillian]

It’s evident that those Demoncrats don’t have a clue about economics. They never think of the consequences of their “feel good policies.” Neither do they have a clue how a business is run and operated. Seems to me this should be a litmus test for elected officials



Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air

Whoever wrote your stupid article is full of garbage.

The 15 dollar an hour wage isn't fully implemented in April 2015. On April 1, 2015 minimum wage goes up another dollar to 10.32 an hour.

The full 15 dollar wage won't happen until 2017 at the earliest. That's just for businesses that have 500 or more employees. If they have less or offer health insurance it goes up in 2018.

One other fact that isn't in your article is that restaurants are able to count tips toward hourly pay. So most restaurants will not see wages increase because the workers tips are considered and those tips bring their wage above 15 dollars an hour.

The restaurants mentioned in your article don't have 500 or more employees so they won't see wages go up to 15 dollars an hour until 2018. That is IF they go up since tips are counted as part of wages and those tips bring wages above 15 dollars an hour.

You might want to actually learn about the law before you buy into lies.


Seattle raises minimum wage to $15 an hour

you didn't expect this o/p to say anything true, did you?

and as far as i know, most serving staff doesn't get minimum wage anyway.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Hey swimmy, I hope you didn't highlight that part about need robot technicians to make a point in this thread. Look Moron if the person has the skills to repair robots they are not at a minimum wage pay scale / if they are aspiring $15 hr. warn bodies, then they are dumb as a box of rock and don't have the skills to be robot techs. You really need some perspective, ever heard of the Maytag Repair man?? Damn thing's never broke, he was the loneliest guy in town.
So we ditch a bunch of warm body jobs for robots and need a very limited amount of staff to maintain the bots.

So you have destroyed countless jobs so you can brag about getting one fucking technician a job .............. you folks must be real PROUD of your handiwork. Oh wait that's right, you folks don't care how others view you as long as you get your end results and some perceived victory!!!!!

 

[Billy000]

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

The Labor Force Participation Rate is "back to the 70s". Job creation in this fake recovery is less than half of what it was in the 80s. We have record numbers of people classified as being in poverty. These aren't exactly hallmarks of a Robust Economy, bub.

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been great - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

Translation: 3/4 of the drop is due to Dismal Obamanomics which destroys job creation.

Suck on that lollipop, junior.

Um no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.

yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....Right

I don't know about 5 million but I do know that the stimulus created 3 million private jobs.

 

[Billy000]

Um exactly how many restaurants have closed? I'm sure this increase will cause a few closings, however, the economy will do better in the long run because of the increase in consumer spending due to larger paychecks. 70% of the economy is economic demand.

The larger paychecks are being eaten up by ObamaCare and inflation, bub.

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

Wanna bet?....What growing economy is the one to which you refer?
Rising Prices And Stagnant Wages Are Real
Inflation as it pertains to the 80 item market basket is already underway.
When local government manipulates the cost of labor the other market forces react...it's a simple law of economics.
In order to quell the negative effects, government will be forced to relax the rules or crate artificial price controls.

Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.

Ugh...When costs to business are increased by artificial means, there is a direct adverse effect on the the end user.

This "artificial means" is just this same bullshit you people spew. Corporate profits are at an all time high yet wages have remained stagnant. It doesn't matter who raises the minimum wage, government or the businesses - there is nothing artificial about it.

 

[Billy000]

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

The Labor Force Participation Rate is "back to the 70s". Job creation in this fake recovery is less than half of what it was in the 80s. We have record numbers of people classified as being in poverty. These aren't exactly hallmarks of a Robust Economy, bub.

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been at its best since 1999 - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

No it isn't. Labor participation rates count only those who are eligible to work, but have given up looking for work.

Some analyses control for that sure, but by and large yes they include retirees. Why wouldn't they?

retirees are not "eligible" for employment. Neither are those collecting disability.....

Um yeah obviously. The point is labor participation statistics include anyone that does not have a job or looking for one. That includes retirees and those on disability. Otherwise those stats wouldn't be accurate now would they?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Labor Force Participation Rate is "back to the 70s". Job creation in this fake recovery is less than half of what it was in the 80s. We have record numbers of people classified as being in poverty. These aren't exactly hallmarks of a Robust Economy, bub.

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been great - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

Translation: 3/4 of the drop is due to Dismal Obamanomics which destroys job creation.

Suck on that lollipop, junior.

Um no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.

yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....Right

I don't know about 5 million but I do know that the stimulus created 3 million private jobs.

The stimulus? Nearly a trillion dollars?....So those magic jobs pay $300k per year? Because using your math, that's how much each one cost....
Oh?.....And you can prove this...Your turn....

 

[Sonny Clark]

Yes....the rich democrats are going to get what they want in Seattle....a few really good restaurants, with great waiters and the rest of the poor on food stamps......that is what you get when you hike up minimum wage for no good reason......

Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air


Seattle’s $15 minimum wage law goes into effect on April 1, 2015. As that date approaches, restaurants across the city are making the financial decision to close shop. The Washington Policy Center writes that “closings have occurred across the city, from Grub in the upscale Queen Anne Hill neighborhood, to Little Uncle in gritty Pioneer Square, to the Boat Street Cafe on Western Avenue near the waterfront.”

Of course, restaurants close for a variety of reasons. But,according to Seattle Magazine, the “impending minimum wage hike to $15 per hour” is playing a “major factor.” That’s not surprising, considering “about 36% of restaurant earnings go to paying labor costs.” ..,

“Washington Restaurant Association’s Anthony Anton puts it this way: “It’s not a political problem; it’s a math problem.”

In reference to that last quote, it’s certainly a math problem for the restaurant owners, but that doesn’t eliminate the fact that it’s a political problem for the social justice warriors who shoved this initiative through. Of course, the problems in question are all too real for the workers who are now “benefiting” from having their wages bumped up by more than 50% in some cases, and it involves some calculating as well. Our friend Bruce McQuain asks the question which puts this whole math issue in focus. What’s $15 times zero again?

Are there alternatives to closing? Sure. But they’re the same ones we’ve talked about for years:

Restaurant owners, expecting to operate on thinner margins, have tried to adapt in several ways including “higher menu prices, cheaper, lower-quality ingredients, reduced opening times, and cutting work hours and firing workers,” according to The Seattle Times and Seattle Eater magazine. As the Washington Policy Center points out, when these strategies are not enough, businesses close, “workers lose their jobs and the neighborhood loses a prized amenity.”

Welcome to the land of $17 dollar cheeseburgers. And, as you can figure out fairly quickly, everything else will be more expensive too … which, of course, erodes the purchasing power of that $15 wage. More importantly, if you work for one of those establishments that is closing, your wage is $15 times zero hours, isn’t it?

There are always two sides to any issue. Is there a problem when a worker works 40 hours a week, yet still qualifies and receives some form of government assistance? Is it wrong for a worker to ask for more money when the execs of a company are making tens of $Millions in salary and perks? Is it wrong for a part-time Wal-Mart worker to ask for more money when the Waltons are worth $Billions? I can understand the wage problem when looking at mom and pop operations, but there should be no problem for businesses like Wal-Mart and others.

Workers should be paid a living wage. Workers should be self-supporting. We shouldn't expect everyone to be poor and dependent, and be forced to live off of government assistance programs. I've always believed that if you work someone, you pay them for their work. That means pay them fairly and adequately. I wouldn't want someone working 40 hours a week for me and still getting food stamps and other assistance just to survive. Especially if I was making mega bucks off of their sweat. Again, there's always two side to any issue. We can look at the corporate greed side, or we can look at the good of the overall economy side. It may not be an easy issue to solve, but when considering a solution, both sides should get equal consideration.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

$15 an hour X 0 hours is a pretty poor living wage.

Liberals were warned and they still did it. Lol

The Law of Unintended Consequences kicks in.

 

[boedicca]

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

The Labor Force Participation Rate is "back to the 70s". Job creation in this fake recovery is less than half of what it was in the 80s. We have record numbers of people classified as being in poverty. These aren't exactly hallmarks of a Robust Economy, bub.

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been great - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

Translation: 3/4 of the drop is due to Dismal Obamanomics which destroys job creation.

Suck on that lollipop, junior.

Um no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.

NONSENSE... obama took office after the catastrophic (inevitable) failure of socialist policy, wherein the Ideological Left coerced the financial markets to turn from sound, actuarial lending principle in favor of a perverse notion of 'fairness'... this resulted in the collapse of tens of thousands of businesses who in one way or another were modeled on or around the financial markets.

This resulted in the current depression the US has been in since 2008... .

Giving loans to people with no down payments, poor credit history, and insufficient incomes to make regular payments....what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Billy000]

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been great - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

Translation: 3/4 of the drop is due to Dismal Obamanomics which destroys job creation.

Suck on that lollipop, junior.

Um no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.

yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....Right

I don't know about 5 million but I do know that the stimulus created 3 million private jobs.

The stimulus? Nearly a trillion dollars?....So those magic jobs pay $300k per year? Because using your math, that's how much each one cost....
Oh?.....And you can prove this...Your turn....

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been great - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

Translation: 3/4 of the drop is due to Dismal Obamanomics which destroys job creation.

Suck on that lollipop, junior.

Um no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.

yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....Right

I don't know about 5 million but I do know that the stimulus created 3 million private jobs.

The stimulus? Nearly a trillion dollars?....So those magic jobs pay $300k per year? Because using your math, that's how much each one cost....
Oh?.....And you can prove this...Your turn....

Onswipe

Obama s Stimulus Generated Up to 3.3 Million Jobs CBO Says - Bloomberg Business

Lol you obviously don't know what was in the stimulus. The money didn't pay the wages of those jobs. 280 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts. It wasn't purely government spending. A large bulk of it went to extending unemployment benefits to the millions who lost their jobs against their will in the recession. These two facts boosted economic demand in the market and stimulated growth.

 

[DarkFury]

Hey rich republicans wanna go out of business rather than paying a decent wage good riddance. Cut off your nose to spite your face...no one cares.

yeah genius....you didn't, or couldn't, read the part about all the waiters and waitresses who will now make no money...at all.....you must have graduated last in your class at whatever government school controlled by the education wing of the democrat party that you attended.......

Yeah but now they can collect unemployment and find new work at places that WILL do the right thing and raise their wage. Also I guess you didn't read the link I posted earlier but even though some businesses are closing some are opening up as well.

A waitress or waiter is unskilled labor, it's a STARTER job NOT a life building job.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The larger paychecks are being eaten up by ObamaCare and inflation, bub.

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

Wanna bet?....What growing economy is the one to which you refer?
Rising Prices And Stagnant Wages Are Real
Inflation as it pertains to the 80 item market basket is already underway.
When local government manipulates the cost of labor the other market forces react...it's a simple law of economics.
In order to quell the negative effects, government will be forced to relax the rules or crate artificial price controls.

Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.

Ugh...When costs to business are increased by artificial means, there is a direct adverse effect on the the end user.

This "artificial means" is just this same bullshit you people spew. Corporate profits are at an all time high yet wages have remained stagnant. It doesn't matter who raises the minimum wage, government or the businesses - there is nothing artificial about it.

The corporate profit argument? You're on that one now....Great. Still meaningless.
The fact is wages are NOT stagnant. Wages are down because the labor participation rate is at a 40 year low.
The other fact that there are far more part time workers. That drags down the numbers.
There are more illegals working in the US...That has lowered average wages in the unskilled and semi skilled markets.
Hiring is down because jobs that are now done by computers and machines no longer require humans.
Wages are down because cash strapped businesses are using temp instead of employee labor.
It's the marketplace which has adjusted to government policy and taxation....
One issue you libs ignore is that corporations are publicly traded companies. As such, the bottom line is the bottom line. If the performance of the company causes the value of the stock to fall and render the company no longer a good investment, the company falters and the workers are the first to go...
This is basic stuff.
And yes. When government sticks it nose into the marketplace for political reasons, the act is artificial.
Anytime government has interfered in the marketplace the result is always negative.