Breaking News: Restaurants Closing All Over Seattle As $15 Minimum Wage Mandate Starts April 1st.

[asaratis]

I think what you were trying to convey was, YOU want to decice what a FAIR wage is!!!!!

With no clue to operating expenses, profit margins or payable debts for a particular business...............

So who the FUCK do you think you are to tell any other person how much to pay their employess.

When you talk about a DECENT LIVING WAGE, there are those who live in the outskirts of society who have very little / no need for money. They either subsist off the land or barter for what they desire in life.

Then there would be the other school of Whimsical Faggots and black Gangsters who will let their babies starve just so they can hit the crack / meth pipe again or have another swill of rot gut liquor, all while drawing a government check and swearing up and down their position in life is so because of being victimized by Republicans / Big Business.

Yes sir, you can give all those shit bags truck loads of money and it will still never be enough.

Instead of your decent wage BS line try self responsibility, learning to live within ones means and anything worth having takes time( in other words let em work for the company 20yrs. or perhaps step up to a more responsible position.

Damn. once that word responsible came into that last statement we all know that is just not possible.

Holla

Another republican....blah blah blah. I hate poor people,blah blah blah I need a new bonus blah blah blah to buy a new porsche.

Wow....I can see your username being on the ignore list of a growing number of members here.
BTW, If I work hard enough to earn the money to buy a Porsche that is MY FUCKING BUSINESS....Not yours.. Go suck shit through a straw. You empty headed licker of the bottom of other people's feet.

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

And it is lawless thugs such as you who deserve to "have a tragic accident in th course of your destruction".............................

What are you, just an ignorant n*gger, ya'll don't get your way so you want to loot and burn, cause destruction??

But yet you acuse me of hatred, what a shit storm of hypocrisy .........................

I am not a ****** I just think people deserve a livable wage. Period.

A teenager can live with its parents and work a menial job to buy itself a brand new bike...the same way Daddy works a paying job to buy the family a new car. This teaches the rewards of working a job without making demands that take their employer out of the competitive market.


...and in your previous comment about buying a Porsche, you seem to ignore the fact that thousands of well paid workers depend on sales of Porsche products.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Hater dupes think doubling pay for workers means doubling prices, but since payroll is only 20% of a business, it only raises prices by a fifth- while giving society healthy demand and happy workers. So dumb, chumps of greedy idiot billionaires...

The US is only a "welfare state" when Pubs wreck the economy, and society, AGAIN, as the always do. see sig.

I find it remarkable I am wasting my time explaining this to a no mind such as yourself...
In any event, the average labor cost is 30%.....Labor is also the largest percentage cost of operating a business. Labor is also the easiest cost to control...When a business looks to control costs, the first item that sees cuts is labor.
Full time labor will be replaced by part time labor. Part time labor will be replaced by temporary labor.
One way or another the cost will be born by the people this meddling was intended to help. It's a lose lose.

Besides, the minimum wage has a dismal track record of reducing poverty, one of the dubious claims
made by the left.

The majority of individuals living in poverty — nearly 60 percent, according to the Census Bureau numbers — don't work and a higher minimum wage wouldn't do them any good.

Also some less-skilled or less-experienced people will lose job options. So instead of being pulled out of poverty, they'll get pushed further into it.

 

[Billy000]

It’s evident that those Demoncrats don’t have a clue about economics. They never think of the consequences of their “feel good policies.” Neither do they have a clue how a business is run and operated. Seems to me this should be a litmus test for elected officials



Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air

Um exactly how many restaurants have closed? I'm sure this increase will cause a few closings, however, the economy will do better in the long run because of the increase in consumer spending due to larger paychecks. 70% of the economy is economic demand.

The larger paychecks are being eaten up by ObamaCare and inflation, bub.

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

Wanna bet?....What growing economy is the one to which you refer?
Rising Prices And Stagnant Wages Are Real
Inflation as it pertains to the 80 item market basket is already underway.
When local government manipulates the cost of labor the other market forces react...it's a simple law of economics.
In order to quell the negative effects, government will be forced to relax the rules or crate artificial price controls.

Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.

 

[Billy000]

Um exactly how many restaurants have closed? I'm sure this increase will cause a few closings, however, the economy will do better in the long run because of the increase in consumer spending due to larger paychecks. 70% of the economy is economic demand.

The larger paychecks are being eaten up by ObamaCare and inflation, bub.

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

The Labor Force Participation Rate is "back to the 70s". Job creation in this fake recovery is less than half of what it was in the 80s. We have record numbers of people classified as being in poverty. These aren't exactly hallmarks of a Robust Economy, bub.

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been at its best since 1999 - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

No it isn't. Labor participation rates count only those who are eligible to work, but have given up looking for work.

Some analyses control for that sure, but by and large yes they include retirees. Why wouldn't they?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The larger paychecks are being eaten up by ObamaCare and inflation, bub.

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

The Labor Force Participation Rate is "back to the 70s". Job creation in this fake recovery is less than half of what it was in the 80s. We have record numbers of people classified as being in poverty. These aren't exactly hallmarks of a Robust Economy, bub.

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been great - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

Translation: 3/4 of the drop is due to Dismal Obamanomics which destroys job creation.

Suck on that lollipop, junior.

Um no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.

yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....Right

 

[thereisnospoon]

The larger paychecks are being eaten up by ObamaCare and inflation, bub.

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

The Labor Force Participation Rate is "back to the 70s". Job creation in this fake recovery is less than half of what it was in the 80s. We have record numbers of people classified as being in poverty. These aren't exactly hallmarks of a Robust Economy, bub.

1/4 of that labor participation loss is retirees. Others are people going on disability. Yes, certainly a portion of it is people who gave up looking for a job. However the issue isn't so much of a lack of jobs - that growth has been at its best since 1999 - it's because wages are too low. People won't take jobs with shitty pay. Another reason for this is that there are too many jobs that Americans are not qualified for. Obama tried to address these issues in two ways: trying to raise the minimum wage and trying to implement job training programs at community colleges. Republicans blocked both of these attempts. They are scumbags.

No it isn't. Labor participation rates count only those who are eligible to work, but have given up looking for work.

Some analyses control for that sure, but by and large yes they include retirees. Why wouldn't they?

retirees are not "eligible" for employment. Neither are those collecting disability.....

 

[Preacher]

Another republican....blah blah blah. I hate poor people,blah blah blah I need a new bonus blah blah blah to buy a new porsche.

Wow....I can see your username being on the ignore list of a growing number of members here.
BTW, If I work hard enough to earn the money to buy a Porsche that is MY FUCKING BUSINESS....Not yours.. Go suck shit through a straw. You empty headed licker of the bottom of other people's feet.

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

And it is lawless thugs such as you who deserve to "have a tragic accident in th course of your destruction".............................

What are you, just an ignorant n*gger, ya'll don't get your way so you want to loot and burn, cause destruction??

But yet you acuse me of hatred, what a shit storm of hypocrisy .........................

I am not a ****** I just think people deserve a livable wage. Period.

You are a FUCKING MORON, the ones in life who have SKILLS make more money than those IGNORANT masses. We all have to learn to crawl before we can walk.

The person has the option to say, NO, I don't want to work for that low wage.

None of this needs intervention from any government, local, state or federal( well I am for the federal minimum wage) agencies

So people should starve,go without paying bills BEFORE they get a livable wage if ever....keep it coming I am loving this republican common sense and compassion

 

[thereisnospoon]

It’s evident that those Demoncrats don’t have a clue about economics. They never think of the consequences of their “feel good policies.” Neither do they have a clue how a business is run and operated. Seems to me this should be a litmus test for elected officials



Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air

Um exactly how many restaurants have closed? I'm sure this increase will cause a few closings, however, the economy will do better in the long run because of the increase in consumer spending due to larger paychecks. 70% of the economy is economic demand.

The larger paychecks are being eaten up by ObamaCare and inflation, bub.

Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.

Wanna bet?....What growing economy is the one to which you refer?
Rising Prices And Stagnant Wages Are Real
Inflation as it pertains to the 80 item market basket is already underway.
When local government manipulates the cost of labor the other market forces react...it's a simple law of economics.
In order to quell the negative effects, government will be forced to relax the rules or crate artificial price controls.

Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.

Ugh...When costs to business are increased by artificial means, there is a direct adverse effect on the the end user.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Wow....I can see your username being on the ignore list of a growing number of members here.
BTW, If I work hard enough to earn the money to buy a Porsche that is MY FUCKING BUSINESS....Not yours.. Go suck shit through a straw. You empty headed licker of the bottom of other people's feet.

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

And it is lawless thugs such as you who deserve to "have a tragic accident in th course of your destruction".............................

What are you, just an ignorant n*gger, ya'll don't get your way so you want to loot and burn, cause destruction??

But yet you acuse me of hatred, what a shit storm of hypocrisy .........................

I am not a ****** I just think people deserve a livable wage. Period.

You are a FUCKING MORON, the ones in life who have SKILLS make more money than those IGNORANT masses. We all have to learn to crawl before we can walk.

The person has the option to say, NO, I don't want to work for that low wage.

None of this needs intervention from any government, local, state or federal( well I am for the federal minimum wage) agencies

So people should starve,go without paying bills BEFORE they get a livable wage if ever....keep it coming I am loving this republican common sense and compassion

Excuse me...Compassion? Why is it that your side's brand of compassion always begins from someone else's pocket?
Yeah genius, we've heard the narrative before. "Throw them out on the street...Starving low wage workers....
What happened to your precious social safety nets?
Yiou cannot even define a "living wage"....None of you can.....

 

[thereisnospoon]

If you can't afford to pay your workers a decent wage you shouldn't be in business.

I think what you were trying to convey was, YOU want to decice what a FAIR wage is!!!!!

With no clue to operating expenses, profit margins or payable debts for a particular business...............

So who the FUCK do you think you are to tell any other person how much to pay their employess.

When you talk about a DECENT LIVING WAGE, there are those who live in the outskirts of society who have very little / no need for money. They either subsist off the land or barter for what they desire in life.

Then there would be the other school of Whimsical Faggots and black Gangsters who will let their babies starve just so they can hit the crack / meth pipe again or have another swill of rot gut liquor, all while drawing a government check and swearing up and down their position in life is so because of being victimized by Republicans / Big Business.

Yes sir, you can give all those shit bags truck loads of money and it will still never be enough.

Instead of your decent wage BS line try self responsibility, learning to live within ones means and anything worth having takes time( in other words let em work for the company 20yrs. or perhaps step up to a more responsible position.

Damn. once that word responsible came into that last statement we all know that is just not possible.

Holla

Another republican....blah blah blah. I hate poor people,blah blah blah I need a new bonus blah blah blah to buy a new porsche.

Wow....I can see your username being on the ignore list of a growing number of members here.
BTW, If I work hard enough to earn the money to buy a Porsche that is MY FUCKING BUSINESS....Not yours.. Go suck shit through a straw. You empty headed licker of the bottom of other people's feet.

Added to ignoore list, my sentiment will still be in this thread nothihng n yoiu or your littlfe faggot buddies can do about it

Do you realize who you were posting to?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I think what you were trying to convey was, YOU want to decice what a FAIR wage is!!!!!

With no clue to operating expenses, profit margins or payable debts for a particular business...............

So who the FUCK do you think you are to tell any other person how much to pay their employess.

When you talk about a DECENT LIVING WAGE, there are those who live in the outskirts of society who have very little / no need for money. They either subsist off the land or barter for what they desire in life.

Then there would be the other school of Whimsical Faggots and black Gangsters who will let their babies starve just so they can hit the crack / meth pipe again or have another swill of rot gut liquor, all while drawing a government check and swearing up and down their position in life is so because of being victimized by Republicans / Big Business.

Yes sir, you can give all those shit bags truck loads of money and it will still never be enough.

Instead of your decent wage BS line try self responsibility, learning to live within ones means and anything worth having takes time( in other words let em work for the company 20yrs. or perhaps step up to a more responsible position.

Damn. once that word responsible came into that last statement we all know that is just not possible.

Holla

Another republican....blah blah blah. I hate poor people,blah blah blah I need a new bonus blah blah blah to buy a new porsche.

Wow....I can see your username being on the ignore list of a growing number of members here.
BTW, If I work hard enough to earn the money to buy a Porsche that is MY FUCKING BUSINESS....Not yours.. Go suck shit through a straw. You empty headed licker of the bottom of other people's feet.

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

And it is lawless thugs such as you who deserve to "have a tragic accident in th course of your destruction".............................

What are you, just an ignorant n*gger, ya'll don't get your way so you want to loot and burn, cause destruction??

But yet you acuse me of hatred, what a shit storm of hypocrisy .........................

I am not a ****** I just think people deserve a livable wage. Period.

New term..."livable" wage.....Now that the hell is THAT?!

 

[2aguy]

Yes....the rich democrats are going to get what they want in Seattle....a few really good restaurants, with great waiters and the rest of the poor on food stamps......that is what you get when you hike up minimum wage for no good reason......

Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air


Seattle’s $15 minimum wage law goes into effect on April 1, 2015. As that date approaches, restaurants across the city are making the financial decision to close shop. The Washington Policy Center writes that “closings have occurred across the city, from Grub in the upscale Queen Anne Hill neighborhood, to Little Uncle in gritty Pioneer Square, to the Boat Street Cafe on Western Avenue near the waterfront.”

Of course, restaurants close for a variety of reasons. But,according to Seattle Magazine, the “impending minimum wage hike to $15 per hour” is playing a “major factor.” That’s not surprising, considering “about 36% of restaurant earnings go to paying labor costs.” ..,

“Washington Restaurant Association’s Anthony Anton puts it this way: “It’s not a political problem; it’s a math problem.”

In reference to that last quote, it’s certainly a math problem for the restaurant owners, but that doesn’t eliminate the fact that it’s a political problem for the social justice warriors who shoved this initiative through. Of course, the problems in question are all too real for the workers who are now “benefiting” from having their wages bumped up by more than 50% in some cases, and it involves some calculating as well. Our friend Bruce McQuain asks the question which puts this whole math issue in focus. What’s $15 times zero again?

Are there alternatives to closing? Sure. But they’re the same ones we’ve talked about for years:

Restaurant owners, expecting to operate on thinner margins, have tried to adapt in several ways including “higher menu prices, cheaper, lower-quality ingredients, reduced opening times, and cutting work hours and firing workers,” according to The Seattle Times and Seattle Eater magazine. As the Washington Policy Center points out, when these strategies are not enough, businesses close, “workers lose their jobs and the neighborhood loses a prized amenity.”

Welcome to the land of $17 dollar cheeseburgers. And, as you can figure out fairly quickly, everything else will be more expensive too … which, of course, erodes the purchasing power of that $15 wage. More importantly, if you work for one of those establishments that is closing, your wage is $15 times zero hours, isn’t it?

 

[Yarddog]

It’s evident that those Demoncrats don’t have a clue about economics. They never think of the consequences of their “feel good policies.” Neither do they have a clue how a business is run and operated. Seems to me this should be a litmus test for elected officials



Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air

They made it worl for Detroit. guess they are capapble of doing the same for Seattle. The powers that be just dont understand not rvryones profit margin is that big. Government doesnt have to worry about profit margins though

 

[Missouri_Mike]

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

Because suddenly the math will work out and you can pay people more right? And I'm sure a business is going to be run so much better with a dishwasher making the decisions. There's a reason these people have minimum wage jobs. You want to take a guess as to why?

 

[eots]

never see anyone trying to set a maximum wage law

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Another republican....blah blah blah. I hate poor people,blah blah blah I need a new bonus blah blah blah to buy a new porsche.

Wow....I can see your username being on the ignore list of a growing number of members here.
BTW, If I work hard enough to earn the money to buy a Porsche that is MY FUCKING BUSINESS....Not yours.. Go suck shit through a straw. You empty headed licker of the bottom of other people's feet.

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

And it is lawless thugs such as you who deserve to "have a tragic accident in th course of your destruction".............................

What are you, just an ignorant n*gger, ya'll don't get your way so you want to loot and burn, cause destruction??

But yet you acuse me of hatred, what a shit storm of hypocrisy .........................

I am not a ****** I just think people deserve a livable wage. Period.

New term..."livable" wage.....Now that the hell is THAT?!

It's in the same category of stupid shit like global warming, climate change and affordable healthcare.

 

[Yarddog]

Four restaurants closing makes it easier for the other eateries to establish working prices that lead to a profit.

and more unemployed people. More businesses = more jobs. Higher prices will come with better quality food, better quality service, nicer establishment. OH, well not now. now you will just be able to go to burger king if you want higher prices, the places that were already expensive, will be even more so

 

[Preacher]

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

Because suddenly the math will work out and you can pay people more right? And I'm sure a business is going to be run so much better with a dishwasher making the decisions. There's a reason these people have minimum wage jobs. You want to take a guess as to why?

Take fewer vacations,trips on a jet,sell a few homes,cars,send kids to public school...You are no better than anyone else.

 

[SwimExpert]

Hotels have been using robots for awhile to deliver items to rooms.

Listen, don't talk unless you know what you're talking about. You're not simply exaggerating here, you're outright lying. And your wading into waters without the first fucking clue what flavor of fish the sharks like best. Anyone who actually knows a thing or two about running a hotel will think you sound like a damned fool!

I work in the hotel industry, and in rooms/operations field at that. You probably heard about a trial program a few months ago. There is one Starwood brand that began a trial program a few months ago in one of their locations to utilize a "robo butler." Depending on the success of the program there could be wider implementation across the brand this time next year. However, the program seems to not really be what one would call a success at this point. My boss used to work for Starwood and from what he's been gathering, it is still an introductory "work in progress" and nobody is yet sure if it will ever be feasible on a large scale. At least, in the reasonably foreseeable future.

So that just goes to show that you're outright lying when you try to say that this has been a common thing for some time. But moving on from that, you seem to think that this program is about reducing labor costs, and that really shows how you don't know a damn thing about the hotel industry, or what it takes to run a hotel.

Amenity deliveries are typically handled by the housekeeping department. Everything from needing more towels, to needing a toothbrush because you forgot yours, whatever. Depending on the size of the property and structure of the housekeeping department, the individual responsible for fulfilling these tasks is usually either a houseman (responsible for property cleanliness) or turndown housekeeper (responsible for room cleanliness and, as the name suggests, providing turndown services where needed), though it could also be a laundry attendant. In some properties, security may handle these tasks.

The main thing to recognize here is that there is no person who has the job of sitting around and waiting for you to request something be delivered to the room. When you need something delivered to your room, it's handled by someone as merely a secondary responsibility who goes back to doing their normal job. Most of the time, there is a marginal amount of labor that is devoted to running amenities to rooms. In most instances, when a hotel has difficulty being efficient in delivering requested amenities, it's an organizational problem, not a labor problem.

The reason a program like this could be of interest to a hotel company is because modern technology has changed the kinds of expectations many customers have, and there is now a greater interest in the market for hotels to automate portions of the guest experience. After all, this is hospitality, and when you are staying in a mid to high end luxury or semi-luxury hotel, the expectation is that you shouldn't have to worry about too much. The past several years have seen many hotels struggle to keep up with these expectations because the hotel industry requires extraordinary logistical coordination which tends to involve a substantial amount of manual attention. Fortunately, some of us are making very good progress and are finding creative ways to try to simplify certain aspects of the guest experience. We now have [seemingly] automated check-outs (which actually aren't automated, but we've found ways to make it seem that way to you). Some places have semi (apparent) automated check-ins (which tend to actually work quite horribly, you're better off without it unless you give fuckall about your actual room). Communication systems have been improving, allowing for more streamlined methods for staff to organize and communicate information.

The "robo-butler" is part of that drive to automate potions of the guest experience. The goal is to allow a guest to electronically input a request, and receive it in a timely manner, without having to spend time calling the Front Desk, waiting on hold if the FD is busy at that moment, or whatever. In reality, it saves the guest only a few seconds, but nowadays people are so tech savvy and accustomed to using smartphones and computers for communication their perception of their experience is substantially, and disproportionately, improved when we can make these options available. It also allows for a reduction in human error on the part of hotel staff, which helps to minimize guests encountering disappointments during their stay.

The over/under on using robots to deliver amenities is not expected to deliver significant cost benefit because the robots themselves are expensive and the actual labor cost in doing these things with people is marginal. There is little expectation that using robots will allow significant reduction in labor budgets. You still need to have the houseman around to pick up trash, sweep and mop, empty trash, etc. You still need to have a turndown housekeeper to do turndowns. You still need to have a laundry attendant to do the laundry. You still need to have security on site. But most importantly you still need to have someone to maintain the stock of amenities and to replenish the robot. The anticipated reward is expected to be in the form of enhanced guest experiences yielding improved loyalty as well as being able to drive improved revenues by being able to command higher rates by maintaining a leading place in the industry for exceptional guest experience.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

It is if you run a business and your employees are on welfare because of you. They have every right to set that bitch on fire,steal it and sell it or take over your business.

Because suddenly the math will work out and you can pay people more right? And I'm sure a business is going to be run so much better with a dishwasher making the decisions. There's a reason these people have minimum wage jobs. You want to take a guess as to why?

Take fewer vacations,trips on a jet,sell a few homes,cars,send kids to public school...You are no better than anyone else.

And that's what proves your ignorance. You really believe a restaurant owner does all that when in reality he makes a pretty modest wage and many times less than the minimum wage employee.