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Says you. A job is a job. PERIOD.A waitress or waiter is unskilled labor, it's a STARTER job NOT a life building job.Yeah but now they can collect unemployment and find new work at places that WILL do the right thing and raise their wage.Hey rich republicans wanna go out of business rather than paying a decent wage good riddance. Cut off your nose to spite your face...no one cares.
yeah genius....you didn't, or couldn't, read the part about all the waiters and waitresses who will now make no money...at all.....you must have graduated last in your class at whatever government school controlled by the education wing of the democrat party that you attended.......Also I guess you didn't read the link I posted earlier but even though some businesses are closing some are opening up as well.
Starter jobs have always sucked. And "You want fries with that?" is NOT a skill.Says you. A job is a job. PERIOD.A waitress or waiter is unskilled labor, it's a STARTER job NOT a life building job.Yeah but now they can collect unemployment and find new work at places that WILL do the right thing and raise their wage.Hey rich republicans wanna go out of business rather than paying a decent wage good riddance. Cut off your nose to spite your face...no one cares.
yeah genius....you didn't, or couldn't, read the part about all the waiters and waitresses who will now make no money...at all.....you must have graduated last in your class at whatever government school controlled by the education wing of the democrat party that you attended.......
What is meaningless about that? You still haven't explained why enforcing a specific wage creates anything "artificial" whatever that means. The labor participation rate is down BECAUSE wages are low. People are discouraged by all the shitty paying jobs. The creation of part time jobs verses full time is really up to the actual job creators wouldn't you say? There is no evidence illegal immigrants is why wages are low. That's bullshit. Yes, technology also plays a role in the lack of hiring. Again, blame the job creators. Oh, and the stock market has been doing stellar.The corporate profit argument? You're on that one now....Great. Still meaningless.This "artificial means" is just this same bullshit you people spew. Corporate profits are at an all time high yet wages have remained stagnant. It doesn't matter who raises the minimum wage, government or the businesses - there is nothing artificial about it.Ugh...When costs to business are increased by artificial means, there is a direct adverse effect on the the end user.Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.Wanna bet?....What growing economy is the one to which you refer?Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.
Rising Prices And Stagnant Wages Are Real
Inflation as it pertains to the 80 item market basket is already underway.
When local government manipulates the cost of labor the other market forces react...it's a simple law of economics.
In order to quell the negative effects, government will be forced to relax the rules or crate artificial price controls.
The fact is wages are NOT stagnant. Wages are down because the labor participation rate is at a 40 year low.
The other fact that there are far more part time workers. That drags down the numbers.
There are more illegals working in the US...That has lowered average wages in the unskilled and semi skilled markets.
Hiring is down because jobs that are now done by computers and machines no longer require humans.
Wages are down because cash strapped businesses are using temp instead of employee labor.
It's the marketplace which has adjusted to government policy and taxation....
One issue you libs ignore is that corporations are publicly traded companies. As such, the bottom line is the bottom line. If the performance of the company causes the value of the stock to fall and render the company no longer a good investment, the company falters and the workers are the first to go...
This is basic stuff.
And yes. When government sticks it nose into the marketplace for political reasons, the act is artificial.
Anytime government has interfered in the marketplace the result is always negative.
Yer kidding....Have you ever worked in the food an beverage business and been on the level where one of your responsibilities is to buy provisions? I have. I saw where the money goes....We paid $12 for a case of domestic beer. We sold it for $2.50....After the costs were figured in, we made a whopping 25 cents per unit.And that's what proves your ignorance. You really believe a restaurant owner does all that when in reality he makes a pretty modest wage and many times less than the minimum wage employee.
Restaurants are pretty damn lucrative. Here's a hint: Go out to eat at your favorite middle priced restaurant with your S/O and another couple. Order a cocktail and entrees. The profit the restaurant made off your cocktails covered the material overhead costs of your entrees. Food costs typically average 20 to 25 percent. Labor usually is anywhere from 5 to 20 percent depending on the establishment and management's ability to manage labor.
What is meaningless about that? You still haven't explained why enforcing a specific wage creates anything "artificial" whatever that means. The labor participation rate is down BECAUSE wages are low. People are discouraged by all the shitty paying jobs. The creation of part time jobs verses full time is really up to the actual job creators wouldn't you say? There is no evidence illegal immigrants is why wages are low. That's bullshit. Yes, technology also plays a role in the lack of hiring. Again, blame the job creators. Oh, and the stock market has been doing stellar.
The corporate profit argument? You're on that one now....Great. Still meaningless.This "artificial means" is just this same bullshit you people spew. Corporate profits are at an all time high yet wages have remained stagnant. It doesn't matter who raises the minimum wage, government or the businesses - there is nothing artificial about it.Ugh...When costs to business are increased by artificial means, there is a direct adverse effect on the the end user.Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.Wanna bet?....What growing economy is the one to which you refer?Um if inflation "ate up" consumer spending, then our economy would have collapsed a long time ago. ObamaCare has not at all interfered with consumer spending.
Rising Prices And Stagnant Wages Are Real
Inflation as it pertains to the 80 item market basket is already underway.
When local government manipulates the cost of labor the other market forces react...it's a simple law of economics.
In order to quell the negative effects, government will be forced to relax the rules or crate artificial price controls.
The fact is wages are NOT stagnant. Wages are down because the labor participation rate is at a 40 year low.
The other fact that there are far more part time workers. That drags down the numbers.
There are more illegals working in the US...That has lowered average wages in the unskilled and semi skilled markets.
Hiring is down because jobs that are now done by computers and machines no longer require humans.
Wages are down because cash strapped businesses are using temp instead of employee labor.
It's the marketplace which has adjusted to government policy and taxation....
One issue you libs ignore is that corporations are publicly traded companies. As such, the bottom line is the bottom line. If the performance of the company causes the value of the stock to fall and render the company no longer a good investment, the company falters and the workers are the first to go...
This is basic stuff.
And yes. When government sticks it nose into the marketplace for political reasons, the act is artificial.
Anytime government has interfered in the marketplace the result is always negative.
Lol perhaps you should educate on the following issues:What is meaningless about that? You still haven't explained why enforcing a specific wage creates anything "artificial" whatever that means. The labor participation rate is down BECAUSE wages are low. People are discouraged by all the shitty paying jobs. The creation of part time jobs verses full time is really up to the actual job creators wouldn't you say? There is no evidence illegal immigrants is why wages are low. That's bullshit. Yes, technology also plays a role in the lack of hiring. Again, blame the job creators. Oh, and the stock market has been doing stellar.
No moron the labor participation rate is down because people are lazy and as long as they can sit on the couch and draw a check from uncle sambo, then they have no incentive to work .................
Jeez you folks perspectives are extremely skewed / biased!!
It’s evident that those Demoncrats don’t have a clue about economics. They never think of the consequences of their “feel good policies.” Neither do they have a clue how a business is run and operated. Seems to me this should be a litmus test for elected officials
Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air
Whoever wrote your stupid article is full of garbage.
The 15 dollar an hour wage isn't fully implemented in April 2015. On April 1, 2015 minimum wage goes up another dollar to 10.32 an hour.
The full 15 dollar wage won't happen until 2017 at the earliest. That's just for businesses that have 500 or more employees. If they have less or offer health insurance it goes up in 2018.
One other fact that isn't in your article is that restaurants are able to count tips toward hourly pay. So most restaurants will not see wages increase because the workers tips are considered and those tips bring their wage above 15 dollars an hour.
The restaurants mentioned in your article don't have 500 or more employees so they won't see wages go up to 15 dollars an hour until 2018. That is IF they go up since tips are counted as part of wages and those tips bring wages above 15 dollars an hour.
You might want to actually learn about the law before you buy into lies.
Seattle raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
you didn't expect this o/p to say anything true, did you?
and as far as i know, most serving staff doesn't get minimum wage anyway.
Lol perhaps you should educate on the following issues:What is meaningless about that? You still haven't explained why enforcing a specific wage creates anything "artificial" whatever that means. The labor participation rate is down BECAUSE wages are low. People are discouraged by all the shitty paying jobs. The creation of part time jobs verses full time is really up to the actual job creators wouldn't you say? There is no evidence illegal immigrants is why wages are low. That's bullshit. Yes, technology also plays a role in the lack of hiring. Again, blame the job creators. Oh, and the stock market has been doing stellar.
No moron the labor participation rate is down because people are lazy and as long as they can sit on the couch and draw a check from uncle sambo, then they have no incentive to work .................
Jeez you folks perspectives are extremely skewed / biased!!
1) Who exactly is on welfare
2) The different types of welfare programs
3) How much those on welfare actually receive
Artificial....When anything outside market forces adjusts or manipulates prices and/or costs.What is meaningless about that? You still haven't explained why enforcing a specific wage creates anything "artificial" whatever that means. The labor participation rate is down BECAUSE wages are low. People are discouraged by all the shitty paying jobs. The creation of part time jobs verses full time is really up to the actual job creators wouldn't you say? There is no evidence illegal immigrants is why wages are low. That's bullshit. Yes, technology also plays a role in the lack of hiring. Again, blame the job creators. Oh, and the stock market has been doing stellar.The corporate profit argument? You're on that one now....Great. Still meaningless.This "artificial means" is just this same bullshit you people spew. Corporate profits are at an all time high yet wages have remained stagnant. It doesn't matter who raises the minimum wage, government or the businesses - there is nothing artificial about it.Ugh...When costs to business are increased by artificial means, there is a direct adverse effect on the the end user.Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.Wanna bet?....What growing economy is the one to which you refer?
Rising Prices And Stagnant Wages Are Real
Inflation as it pertains to the 80 item market basket is already underway.
When local government manipulates the cost of labor the other market forces react...it's a simple law of economics.
In order to quell the negative effects, government will be forced to relax the rules or crate artificial price controls.
The fact is wages are NOT stagnant. Wages are down because the labor participation rate is at a 40 year low.
The other fact that there are far more part time workers. That drags down the numbers.
There are more illegals working in the US...That has lowered average wages in the unskilled and semi skilled markets.
Hiring is down because jobs that are now done by computers and machines no longer require humans.
Wages are down because cash strapped businesses are using temp instead of employee labor.
It's the marketplace which has adjusted to government policy and taxation....
One issue you libs ignore is that corporations are publicly traded companies. As such, the bottom line is the bottom line. If the performance of the company causes the value of the stock to fall and render the company no longer a good investment, the company falters and the workers are the first to go...
This is basic stuff.
And yes. When government sticks it nose into the marketplace for political reasons, the act is artificial.
Anytime government has interfered in the marketplace the result is always negative.
Ahh..Nancy Pelosi...She said unemployment compensation stimulated the economy.....And this is rich...."most of the stimulus went for unemployment compensation....But it still created 3 million jobs.....Yeah ok,,,,The stimulus? Nearly a trillion dollars?....So those magic jobs pay $300k per year? Because using your math, that's how much each one cost....I don't know about 5 million but I do know that the stimulus created 3 million private jobs.yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....RightUm no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.Translation: 3/4 of the drop is due to Dismal Obamanomics which destroys job creation.
Suck on that lollipop, junior.
Oh?.....And you can prove this...Your turn....OnswipeThe stimulus? Nearly a trillion dollars?....So those magic jobs pay $300k per year? Because using your math, that's how much each one cost....I don't know about 5 million but I do know that the stimulus created 3 million private jobs.yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....RightUm no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.Translation: 3/4 of the drop is due to Dismal Obamanomics which destroys job creation.
Suck on that lollipop, junior.
Oh?.....And you can prove this...Your turn....
Obama s Stimulus Generated Up to 3.3 Million Jobs CBO Says - Bloomberg Business
Lol you obviously don't know what was in the stimulus. The money didn't pay the wages of those jobs. 280 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts. It wasn't purely government spending. A large bulk of it went to extending unemployment benefits to the millions who lost their jobs against their will in the recession. These two facts boosted economic demand in the market and stimulated growth.
Yer kidding....Have you ever worked in the food an beverage business and been on the level where one of your responsibilities is to buy provisions? I have. I saw where the money goes....We paid $12 for a case of domestic beer. We sold it for $2.50....After the costs were figured in, we made a whopping 25 cents per unit.And that's what proves your ignorance. You really believe a restaurant owner does all that when in reality he makes a pretty modest wage and many times less than the minimum wage employee.
Restaurants are pretty damn lucrative. Here's a hint: Go out to eat at your favorite middle priced restaurant with your S/O and another couple. Order a cocktail and entrees. The profit the restaurant made off your cocktails covered the material overhead costs of your entrees. Food costs typically average 20 to 25 percent. Labor usually is anywhere from 5 to 20 percent depending on the establishment and management's ability to manage labor.
We could have increased our price but we depended on repeat business and our customers chose us because our place was not only a good place to gather, our prices were somewhat lower than other bars in the area.
Those chicken wings that we sold for $8 per dozen? They cost us 20 cents per pound. In bulk,. Chicken has a very short shelf life. So we had to sell it quickly or dispose of it.
One of the major costs of fried food is the oil...We paid $75 for a 5 gallon container of cooking oil. Yeah...it's not cheap....And we had to change out the oil in our two friers every third day. That's $150 twice a week.....
Since you know little about the food and bev business, what else would you like to discuss.
Again, it doesn't matter what boosts wages - government or the market - the outcome on the market is the same. I already mentioned the lack of skilled workers in another post. Yes, that is part of the problem. Right now low skilled workers are being paid a wage they can't support themselves on. Why is that not a problem to you? Do you expect all these entry level people to just magically become skilled? How would that happen? Low skilled people aren't scum. Obviously skilled people should be paid more, but that doesn't mean entry levels should get the peanuts they are getting now.Artificial....When anything outside market forces adjusts or manipulates prices and/or costs.What is meaningless about that? You still haven't explained why enforcing a specific wage creates anything "artificial" whatever that means. The labor participation rate is down BECAUSE wages are low. People are discouraged by all the shitty paying jobs. The creation of part time jobs verses full time is really up to the actual job creators wouldn't you say? There is no evidence illegal immigrants is why wages are low. That's bullshit. Yes, technology also plays a role in the lack of hiring. Again, blame the job creators. Oh, and the stock market has been doing stellar.The corporate profit argument? You're on that one now....Great. Still meaningless.This "artificial means" is just this same bullshit you people spew. Corporate profits are at an all time high yet wages have remained stagnant. It doesn't matter who raises the minimum wage, government or the businesses - there is nothing artificial about it.Ugh...When costs to business are increased by artificial means, there is a direct adverse effect on the the end user.Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.
The fact is wages are NOT stagnant. Wages are down because the labor participation rate is at a 40 year low.
The other fact that there are far more part time workers. That drags down the numbers.
There are more illegals working in the US...That has lowered average wages in the unskilled and semi skilled markets.
Hiring is down because jobs that are now done by computers and machines no longer require humans.
Wages are down because cash strapped businesses are using temp instead of employee labor.
It's the marketplace which has adjusted to government policy and taxation....
One issue you libs ignore is that corporations are publicly traded companies. As such, the bottom line is the bottom line. If the performance of the company causes the value of the stock to fall and render the company no longer a good investment, the company falters and the workers are the first to go...
This is basic stuff.
And yes. When government sticks it nose into the marketplace for political reasons, the act is artificial.
Anytime government has interfered in the marketplace the result is always negative.
Hey genius. We are in a global economy. To compete, we must control costs. Technology permits that.
The shitty jobs? Or is it the wages low skilled people are eligible for?....No one is going to pay a premium wage to a worker who does not possess the necessary skills to perform the job so that the position helps the company turn a profit.
The job creators are just keeping up.
One of the major issues companies have is not the lack of available jobs. It is the reverse. It is the number of available qualified people to fill those jobs.
That is especially prevalent in manufacturing.
Key Workforce Challenges Businesses Struggle to Find Skilled Workers - Article Display - QualityInfo
But Some Businesses Struggle to Find Workers
Employers hiring for some occupations do face distinct difficulties though. Vacancy survey results show a diverse set of occupations with the largest number of openings that had gone unfilled for 60 days or more (Table 1). The 60+ day vacancies could result from the overall size of that occupation, or the amount of time to complete the hiring process for some openings. However, long-term vacancies may also indicate that positions are hard to fill. Top occupations with the most long-term vacancies ranged from truck drivers to registered nurses to cashiers.
Help Wanted: Education, Training, and Experience Required
Fourteen of the top 25 occupations listed in Table 1 required a minimum of postsecondary training, an associate degree, or a four-year or advanced degree to be qualified for the job. In other words, many of the occupations that take a longer time to fill require specialized training, so they can't immediately be filled by just anyone who is unemployed.
In addition to educational requirements, there is a desire by employers to hire experienced and trained applicants. This could be contributing to their struggle to find enough workers. The job vacancy survey results showed that nearly two-out-of-three openings required workers to have previous experience. Education may substitute for experience at some jobs, but that's often not the case. Of the vacancies that required a bachelor's degree, 96 percent also required previous experience. Dr. Peter Cappelli of Wharton's Center for Human Resources describes this as a Catch-22 situation for workers – "to get a job, you have to have that job already."
Grove City,OH.....Outside Cincinnati....
Of the responding companies, 48 percent reported finding qualified entry-level employees was "difficult" or "very difficult," while the percentage of businesses reporting issues with finding skilled employees was 59 percent.
"It gives you a sense there's a need to make hiring skilled employees less difficult," Saperstein said.
A high percentage of respondents, 81 percent, said they were not involved with a workforce-related training program, intern program or a school or job training program.
Survey Kansas construction companies struggle to find skilled workers The Wichita Eagle The Wichita Eagle
Small Businesses Struggle To Find Skilled Workers
I'm citing the CBO and moody when I talk of the growth created by unemployment benefts. I don't care what Nancy said.Ahh..Nancy Pelosi...She said unemployment compensation stimulated the economy.....And this is rich...."most of the stimulus went for unemployment compensation....But it still created 3 million jobs.....Yeah ok,,,,The stimulus? Nearly a trillion dollars?....So those magic jobs pay $300k per year? Because using your math, that's how much each one cost....I don't know about 5 million but I do know that the stimulus created 3 million private jobs.yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....RightUm no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.
Oh?.....And you can prove this...Your turn....OnswipeThe stimulus? Nearly a trillion dollars?....So those magic jobs pay $300k per year? Because using your math, that's how much each one cost....I don't know about 5 million but I do know that the stimulus created 3 million private jobs.yep..The decline from 2009 thru the present has continued.....But I would be willing to wager that you believe the old White House narrative that "Obama has created 5 million jobs"....RightUm no. The labor participation has been declining since before Obama took office. You recall that recession that happened at the end of Bush's second term? Yeah that one. We lost 8 million jobs from that and we have regained 11 million since then.
Oh?.....And you can prove this...Your turn....
Obama s Stimulus Generated Up to 3.3 Million Jobs CBO Says - Bloomberg Business
Lol you obviously don't know what was in the stimulus. The money didn't pay the wages of those jobs. 280 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts. It wasn't purely government spending. A large bulk of it went to extending unemployment benefits to the millions who lost their jobs against their will in the recession. These two facts boosted economic demand in the market and stimulated growth.
Hey swimmy, I hope you didn't highlight that part about need robot technicians to make a point in this thread. Look Moron if the person has the skills to repair robots they are not at a minimum wage pay scale / if they are aspiring $15 hr. warn bodies, then they are dumb as a box of rock and don't have the skills to be robot techs.
Hey guess what mr what the fuck....It was a sports bar....and a very successful one at that.....So much so that a larger restaurant company made a very lucrative off on the place and the owner of course sold..Why not? That's what a business is...An investment.Yer kidding....Have you ever worked in the food an beverage business and been on the level where one of your responsibilities is to buy provisions? I have. I saw where the money goes....We paid $12 for a case of domestic beer. We sold it for $2.50....After the costs were figured in, we made a whopping 25 cents per unit.And that's what proves your ignorance. You really believe a restaurant owner does all that when in reality he makes a pretty modest wage and many times less than the minimum wage employee.
Restaurants are pretty damn lucrative. Here's a hint: Go out to eat at your favorite middle priced restaurant with your S/O and another couple. Order a cocktail and entrees. The profit the restaurant made off your cocktails covered the material overhead costs of your entrees. Food costs typically average 20 to 25 percent. Labor usually is anywhere from 5 to 20 percent depending on the establishment and management's ability to manage labor.
We could have increased our price but we depended on repeat business and our customers chose us because our place was not only a good place to gather, our prices were somewhat lower than other bars in the area.
Those chicken wings that we sold for $8 per dozen? They cost us 20 cents per pound. In bulk,. Chicken has a very short shelf life. So we had to sell it quickly or dispose of it.
One of the major costs of fried food is the oil...We paid $75 for a 5 gallon container of cooking oil. Yeah...it's not cheap....And we had to change out the oil in our two friers every third day. That's $150 twice a week.....
Since you know little about the food and bev business, what else would you like to discuss.
I'd like to discuss the fact that you were apparently working in a shithole of a sinking failure.
You've already admitted that you were catering to low ball price customers. Stop catering to low ball price customers! That's just a poor business strategy, plain and simple. It seems you are relying on fried food to fill your menu. What the fuck!?! That's the lowest, shittiest type of food for an eatery to be selling. Get a real menu!
But I suspect the main problem is that you and your colleagues are obviously pathetic jokes of managers since you can't do the basic 3rd grade level math to know what your costs are and what your profits are supposed to be in comparison. You paid $12 per case (24 beers) and you only made 20 cents a piece at a retail of $2.50?!?!
Hello!!! At $12 a case, your cost is 50 cents each! If you sold at $2.50 a beer, you were making $2 profit on each, not 20 cents. No wonder you had such a hard time, 90% of your profits were leaking out the door because you were too fucking stupid to know how to do your job! But I guess I should expect no different from a person who doesn't know the difference between a cocktail and a beer.
