Breaking News and Confirmed: Arizona Senate Passes Presidential Eligibility Bill 21-9

[LadyGunSlinger]

Do Arizona Republicans really think Obama might carry Arizona? Hell, he lost Arizona by 9 points in the last election.

Arizona won't be the only state.. Many others will follow suit. Time for DingleBarry to man the hell up.

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

TOO FUCKIN bad that I already posted the link that showed 1.7 million went to the BIRTHER ISSUE, asshole.. TRY AGAIN.

Hey, fuckstain. I just looked back, and I didn't see any link to back up your claim. Maybe you can post it for me to read. But if it's the same tired World Net Daily story, don't bother. Like I said, Politifact already debunked it. Here you go. Read it and weep (assuming you can actually read).


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-claims-obama-has-spent-2-million-lega/

From your own article, YOU DUMB FUCK-

Specifically, the payments by Obama for America to Perkins Coie covered all sorts of legal expenses -- not just expenses related to birth certificate issues.

The FEC forms do not specify what each payment specifically went for, since that degree of detail is not required by law. We also couldn't get additional details from Perkins Coie or the Democratic National Committee about how the legal fees were spent.


That's your proof?? "NOT ALL WERE LEGAL FEES GOING TO THE BIRTHER ISSUE??!!! ROFLMAO!! You're a fucking joke!!!!!!

Oh? It really says that? Yeah, no shit, dumbass. That's exactly what I told you. What a fucking moron. Here's what I wrote:

Bullshit. Politifact debunked that 2 million claim. 2 million was the total spent on legal fees. That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue. Try again. You fail.

See the bold text? "That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue." In other words, the 2 million was not spent on birther lawsuits alone; it also includes other legal services. And that's exactly what the Politifact article says. Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, is it? Stick with what you do best: making a complete ass out of yourself. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you dumb ****.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Hey, fuckstain. I just looked back, and I didn't see any link to back up your claim. Maybe you can post it for me to read. But if it's the same tired World Net Daily story, don't bother. Like I said, Politifact already debunked it. Here you go. Read it and weep (assuming you can actually read).


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-claims-obama-has-spent-2-million-lega/

From your own article, YOU DUMB FUCK-

Specifically, the payments by Obama for America to Perkins Coie covered all sorts of legal expenses -- not just expenses related to birth certificate issues.

The FEC forms do not specify what each payment specifically went for, since that degree of detail is not required by law. We also couldn't get additional details from Perkins Coie or the Democratic National Committee about how the legal fees were spent.


That's your proof?? "NOT ALL WERE LEGAL FEES GOING TO THE BIRTHER ISSUE??!!! ROFLMAO!! You're a fucking joke!!!!!!

Oh? It really says that? Yeah, no shit, dumbass. That'e exactly what I told you. What a fucking moron. Here's what I wrote:

Bullshit. Politifact debunked that 2 million claim. 2 million was the total spent on legal fees. That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue. Try again. You fail.

See the bold text? "That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue." In other words, the 2 million was not spent on birther lawsuits alone; it also includes other legal services. And that's exactly what the Politifact article says. Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, is it? Stick with what you do best: making a complete ass out of yourself. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you dumb ****.

Earth to DumbFUCK- I said 1.7 million, DIDN'T I DumbFuck?! I also provided the link and the articles throughout several threads today.. GO READ THEM YOU lazy fucker.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Hey, fuckstain. I just looked back, and I didn't see any link to back up your claim. Maybe you can post it for me to read. But if it's the same tired World Net Daily story, don't bother. Like I said, Politifact already debunked it. Here you go. Read it and weep (assuming you can actually read).


PolitiFact | Donald Trump claims Obama has spent $2 million in legal fees defending lawsuits about his birth certificate

From your own article, YOU DUMB FUCK-

Specifically, the payments by Obama for America to Perkins Coie covered all sorts of legal expenses -- not just expenses related to birth certificate issues.

The FEC forms do not specify what each payment specifically went for, since that degree of detail is not required by law. We also couldn't get additional details from Perkins Coie or the Democratic National Committee about how the legal fees were spent.


That's your proof?? "NOT ALL WERE LEGAL FEES GOING TO THE BIRTHER ISSUE??!!! ROFLMAO!! You're a fucking joke!!!!!!

Oh? It really says that? Yeah, no shit, dumbass. That's exactly what I told you. What a fucking moron. Here's what I wrote:

Bullshit. Politifact debunked that 2 million claim. 2 million was the total spent on legal fees. That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue. Try again. You fail.

See the bold text? "That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue." In other words, the 2 million was not spent on birther lawsuits alone; it also includes other legal services. And that's exactly what the Politifact article says. Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, is it? Stick with what you do best: making a complete ass out of yourself. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you dumb ****.

BTW- All girls know it takes a special kind of trash to call a woman a c___t. Bravo~

 

[USArmyRetired]

Good for them. You realize that this isnt going to keep Obama off the ballot because he was born in Hawaii right?

He will NOT be on the Arizona ballot if he doesn't cough up a LEGAL BC. End of story.

1. the Birth Certificate he has already produced meets the requirements of this legislation.

and

2. No state has the right to invalidate the citizenship of a citizen of another state. Period.

This law is unconstitutional because the State of Arizona cannot tell the State of Hawaii that their citizens cannot run for president in their state, period. The entire premise is ridiculous. There is absolutely no way this legislation will be upheld in any federal court, which is where it would be challenged, much less the supreme court.

Furthermore, there is a good reason for this to be forbidden. Once Arizona enacts this, Hawaii can then turn around and say no resident of Arizona can run on their ballot. Duh.

Number one. Hawaii has never confirmed Obama has produced a birth certificate in any official statement.

Number two. U.S. Constitution: States conduct the selection of presidential electors in ANY MANNER THEY PLEASE.

 

[Vast LWC]

What part of Title 8 makes him a Natural Born Citizen?

US Code Title 8 Section 1401

Nationals and Citizens of the United States at birth.
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.”

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sec_08_00001401—-000-.html

We can't go by "a" since the whole question is whether or not he WAS born in the USA.
"b" does not apply.
"c" does not apply since his dad was NOT a U.S. citizen.
"d" MIGHT apply, except for the question of whether (or not) Mrs. Obama was actually present here for a continuous year preceding the birth of the lad. Since that question is open, Title 8 is of no use to your claim that it settles the matter. It doesn't.
"e" doesn't help since we cannot say that the child was born in one of the U.S. possessions at all.
"f" doesn't apply.
"g" is the scenario that most closely approximates the President's dilemma. Mom was a U.S. citizen. Dad was an alien. But how long they resided here in America within the conditions of that provision is not known.

Bottom line: Title 8, with additional proof, MIGHT be useful to making the case that Title 8 makes President Obama a NBC.

However, absent that additional proof, Title 8 is just a wish sandwich.

(a)

He has already produced the necessary documentation, and it has been confirmed by the State of Hawaii, as well as corresponding historical evidence in the form of newspaper entries from the time in question.

The State of Hawaii's requirements for verification of birth CANNOT be over-ruled by another State, period.

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

From your own article, YOU DUMB FUCK-

Specifically, the payments by Obama for America to Perkins Coie covered all sorts of legal expenses -- not just expenses related to birth certificate issues.

The FEC forms do not specify what each payment specifically went for, since that degree of detail is not required by law. We also couldn't get additional details from Perkins Coie or the Democratic National Committee about how the legal fees were spent.


That's your proof?? "NOT ALL WERE LEGAL FEES GOING TO THE BIRTHER ISSUE??!!! ROFLMAO!! You're a fucking joke!!!!!!

Oh? It really says that? Yeah, no shit, dumbass. That'e exactly what I told you. What a fucking moron. Here's what I wrote:

Bullshit. Politifact debunked that 2 million claim. 2 million was the total spent on legal fees. That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue. Try again. You fail.

See the bold text? "That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue." In other words, the 2 million was not spent on birther lawsuits alone; it also includes other legal services. And that's exactly what the Politifact article says. Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, is it? Stick with what you do best: making a complete ass out of yourself. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you dumb ****.

Earth to DumbFUCK- I said 1.7 million, DIDN'T I DumbFuck?! I also provided the link and the articles throughout several threads today.. GO READ THEM YOU lazy fucker.

Now you're backing down, huh? First, you act like you proved me wrong. Then, after I correct you, you go on the attack, desperately trying to change the subject.

"But but but I said 1.7 million, not 2 million"

Bullshit. You're a fucking liar.

Here's what you wrote:

while you're at it Hussein, we'd like to see all of your academic records and transcripts.. you know, the ones you've paid 2 million dollars to keep hidden from the public.

It says 2 million right there.

By the way, if you think I'm going to go through your insane rants to find a link to some WND article, you're crazier than I thought. You must have access to it, right? Show me that link. I'm betting it's either the WND article that Politifact debunked, or it's some right-wing nut's blog.

 

[Vast LWC]

Number one. Hawaii has never confirmed Obama has produced a birth certificate in any official statement.

Number two. U.S. Constitution: States conduct the selection of presidential electors in ANY MANNER THEY PLEASE.

Number one:

Try and take your head out of the Rush Limbaugh bubble once in a while:

Hawaii Confirms Obama's Birthplace, Again - CBS News

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com

Specifically:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Duh.

Number two:

Yes, they do, but what does that have to do with the issue at hand?

 

[The T]

From your own article, YOU DUMB FUCK-

Specifically, the payments by Obama for America to Perkins Coie covered all sorts of legal expenses -- not just expenses related to birth certificate issues.

The FEC forms do not specify what each payment specifically went for, since that degree of detail is not required by law. We also couldn't get additional details from Perkins Coie or the Democratic National Committee about how the legal fees were spent.


That's your proof?? "NOT ALL WERE LEGAL FEES GOING TO THE BIRTHER ISSUE??!!! ROFLMAO!! You're a fucking joke!!!!!!

Oh? It really says that? Yeah, no shit, dumbass. That's exactly what I told you. What a fucking moron. Here's what I wrote:

Bullshit. Politifact debunked that 2 million claim. 2 million was the total spent on legal fees. That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue. Try again. You fail.

See the bold text? "That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue." In other words, the 2 million was not spent on birther lawsuits alone; it also includes other legal services. And that's exactly what the Politifact article says. Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, is it? Stick with what you do best: making a complete ass out of yourself. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you dumb ****.

BTW- All girls know it takes a special kind of trash to call a woman a c___t. Bravo~

He was trying to impress you...he failed...miserably.

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

From your own article, YOU DUMB FUCK-

Specifically, the payments by Obama for America to Perkins Coie covered all sorts of legal expenses -- not just expenses related to birth certificate issues.

The FEC forms do not specify what each payment specifically went for, since that degree of detail is not required by law. We also couldn't get additional details from Perkins Coie or the Democratic National Committee about how the legal fees were spent.


That's your proof?? "NOT ALL WERE LEGAL FEES GOING TO THE BIRTHER ISSUE??!!! ROFLMAO!! You're a fucking joke!!!!!!

Oh? It really says that? Yeah, no shit, dumbass. That's exactly what I told you. What a fucking moron. Here's what I wrote:

Bullshit. Politifact debunked that 2 million claim. 2 million was the total spent on legal fees. That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue. Try again. You fail.

See the bold text? "That total includes services not related the birth certificate issue." In other words, the 2 million was not spent on birther lawsuits alone; it also includes other legal services. And that's exactly what the Politifact article says. Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits, is it? Stick with what you do best: making a complete ass out of yourself. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you dumb ****.

BTW- All girls know it takes a special kind of trash to call a woman a c___t. Bravo~

You want to talk like a trashy bitch, I'm going to talk to you like you deserve.

 

[bodecea]

Well its not even funny. More annoying then anything. Lets get to the problems at hand here. The country has plenty of em. Hes a natural born citizen according to Title 8 of the US code anyway, regardless of birth certificate. Move on people.

I think this AZ law is delightful. Absolutely delightful. And when next year's election comes along, it will be the gift that keeps on giving. Trust me on this one.

 

[Vast LWC]

US Constitution, Article IV, Section 1:

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Case closed.

 

[Vast LWC]

US Constitution, Article IV, Section 2:

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Check and Mate.

 

[bodecea]

Do Arizona Republicans really think Obama might carry Arizona? Hell, he lost Arizona by 9 points in the last election.

Arizona won't be the only state.. Many others will follow suit. Time for DingleBarry to man the hell up.

Of course. This is going to be a very, very fun year coming up. I look forward to you and those like you convincing the U.S. electorate of your cause.

 

[Vast LWC]

Of course. This is going to be a very, very fun year coming up. I look forward to you and those like you convincing the U.S. electorate of your cause.

Which will have to be the case, since it would require a Constitutional Amendment for this to be at all legal.

 

[bodecea]

He will NOT be on the Arizona ballot if he doesn't cough up a LEGAL BC. End of story.

He does have a legal birth certificate. It's from HI. It's called a certificate of live birth, and it's perfectly legal. Jesus, you people are fucking morons.

The only fucking moron is you and your liberal cohorts who are DESPERATE to run cover for this asshole.. TOO DAMN BAD- Arizona says differently. It's no surprise you and your comrades would rather usurp the Constitution than give up power.. Sick FUCKS!

This is SO FUNNY!!!!!!!

(sorry...but sometimes I just can't help pointing my finger and laughing outloud)

 

[Vast LWC]

I'm really starting to wonder what kind of dumb-fucks Arizona has in it's legislature.

READ THE CONSTITUTION BEFORE YOU WRITE A LAW, YOU JACKASSES.

 

[WorldWatcher]

And there isn't a THING the Federal Gubmint can do about it except try to sue...but par for the course? They will ask a Federal Judge to make it null and void...Just sit back and watch it happen...

First of all, that's not quite true Thomas, the requirement to be President is to be a Natural Born Citizen. To date there has been no law (except the 1790 Immigration and Naturalization Act) which has defined "Natural Born Citizen" and there has been no Supreme Court decision based on a case dealing with Presidential eligibility.

Secondly, the law requires that the birth certificate contain irrelevant information - such as the hospital born in and attending witnesses. The ONLY factor of relevance is the birth location under the 14th Amendment, requiring the hospital and witness statements is not a Constitutional requirement for President. Bascically Arizona is attempting to define in their laws what other States must include in their birth documents.

Third, Article IV Section 1 of the United States Costitution requires that one State recognize the public acts of other States (such as birth certificates, marriages, divorces, etc...) unless the United States Congress decrees otherwise under their Constitutional authority to define the "effect thereof" of such acts.

The result will be that if an individual presents a COLB which (IIRC) most State now issue, there will be a challenge to the law and (IMHO) it is likely to be successful on Constitutional grounds (mandating the actions of another state and lack of Full Faith and Credit).



Now personally I think we've screwed the pooch for hundreds of years. It should have ALWAYS been part of election law for ANY elected position (from Dog Catcher to President) that candidates should have to submit documented evidence they meet the qualifications of office and not just submit a signed affidavit that they do.


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[USArmyRetired]

READ THE CONSTITUTION BEFORE YOU WRITE A LAW, YOU JACKASSES.

I am pretty sure they did and that they had constitutional scholars look it over real good so it would pass. This has been on the books for over a year so it would be safe to assume legal minds did look over it. By the way...UPDATE:

Missouri's eligibility bill is set to pass this week. The bill finally passed the committees and is going to a full vote of the house this week or next week.

 

[The T]

And there isn't a THING the Federal Gubmint can do about it except try to sue...but par for the course? They will ask a Federal Judge to make it null and void...Just sit back and watch it happen...

First of all, that's not quite true Thomas, the requirement to be President is to be a Natural Born Citizen. To date there has been no law (except the 1790 Immigration and Naturalization Act) which has defined "Natural Born Citizen" and there has been no Supreme Court decision based on a case dealing with Presidential eligibility.

Secondly, the law requires that the birth certificate contain irrelevant information - such as the hospital born in and attending witnesses. The ONLY factor of relevance is the birth location under the 14th Amendment, requiring the hospital and witness statements is not a Constitutional requirement for President. Bascically Arizona is attempting to define in their laws what other States must include in their birth documents.

Third, Article IV Section 1 of the United States Costitution requires that one State recognize the public acts of other States (such as birth certificates, marriages, divorces, etc...) unless the United States Congress decrees otherwise under their Constitutional authority to define the "effect thereof" of such acts.

The result will be that if an individual presents a COLB which (IIRC) most State now issue, there will be a challenge to the law and (IMHO) it is likely to be successful on Constitutional grounds (mandating the actions of another state and lack of Full Faith and Credit).



Now personally I think we've screwed the pooch for hundreds of years. It should have ALWAYS been part of election law for ANY elected position (from Dog Catcher to President) that candidates should have to submit documented evidence they meet the qualifications of office and not just submit a signed affidavit that they do.


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I was referring to what the State of Arizona did...Watch a Judge make their legislation Null and Void...