Best Health Care, Huh?

[jillian]

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst

The United States comes in dead last in a new, international ranking of health care systems from a top health-care non-profit.

This doesn't mean that we're the worst in the world; there are plenty of less-developed countries that have worse systems than America's. But when the United States is compared against peer countries like France and Canada it does not come out well. It comes out the very worst.

A new Commonwealth Fund report looks at how the United States stacks up against other countries on things like access to doctors and quality of care. It pulls from three separate surveys conducted over the past three years: a 2011 survey of sicker patients, a 2012 survey of doctors and a 2013 survey of adults over 18. It also uses health outcome data from the OECD and World Health Organization. This means it captures the experience of the medical system from the people who use it a lot, those who use it a little and the doctors treating them.

America ranks worst overall

The American health care system came in last both in the overall rankings, which pull together data on 11 specific measures of success for a health care system. This includes metrics like how easily residents can access health care, if that medical care is affordable and if its effective.

There was no measure where the United States came in first place — our best ranking was coming in third in the effectiveness of our medicine (more on what this means later).

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

 

[Statistikhengst]

I downloaded the full report and will study it first. Others can do likewise:

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...rt/2014/jun/1755_davis_mirror_mirror_2014.pdf


And the overview:

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror


Important to find out exactly how they conducted the study and if it is kosher before jumping to any personal conclusions. I say this about EVERY study, without exception.

Will get back with you on this once I have digested the study.

 

[bripat9643]

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst

The United States comes in dead last in a new, international ranking of health care systems from a top health-care non-profit.

This doesn't mean that we're the worst in the world; there are plenty of less-developed countries that have worse systems than America's. But when the United States is compared against peer countries like France and Canada it does not come out well. It comes out the very worst.

A new Commonwealth Fund report looks at how the United States stacks up against other countries on things like access to doctors and quality of care. It pulls from three separate surveys conducted over the past three years: a 2011 survey of sicker patients, a 2012 survey of doctors and a 2013 survey of adults over 18. It also uses health outcome data from the OECD and World Health Organization. This means it captures the experience of the medical system from the people who use it a lot, those who use it a little and the doctors treating them.

America ranks worst overall

The American health care system came in last both in the overall rankings, which pull together data on 11 specific measures of success for a health care system. This includes metrics like how easily residents can access health care, if that medical care is affordable and if its effective.

There was no measure where the United States came in first place — our best ranking was coming in third in the effectiveness of our medicine (more on what this means later).

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

Categories like the following:

access
efficiency
equity
healthy lives​

don't measure the quality of healthcare. They measure how socialist it is, or they measure cultural issues that affect health.

The article doesn't explain how the other categories:

effective care
safe care
coordinated care
patient centered care​

are measured. Furthermore, the last two sound like bogus measures that don't really measure the quality of the care.

The only thing that really measures the quality of healthcare: ie, how many people who go into the hospital with a health issue come out with a successful resolution. The United States beats every other country by far in that category - the only one that matters to the patient.

In short, your article is bullshit propaganda.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Looks like this thread was dismantled in one post. Moreover, Vox appears to be a liberally slanted news site, jillian, simply by reading the headlines in the column on the right hand side of the screen and on the front page. How do you expect us to think this article is honest?

I just finished the Commonwealth overview, and it blatantly calls for universal healthcare. Moreover, only comparing us to 11 countries is a sorry excuse regarding an abstract for a study on the quality of healthcare. So as it stands, the Commonwealth Fund is being used as a mouthpiece for Obamacare. I cannot speak for the veracity of the study given such a development.

Obamacare is responsible for the drastic rise in healthcare costs anyhow.

 

[Rambunctious]

It cost at least double today for me to cover my family than it did last year. That dang Bush!

 

[Kosh]

Another far left fail thread!

 

[The Rabbi]

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst

The United States comes in dead last in a new, international ranking of health care systems from a top health-care non-profit.

This doesn't mean that we're the worst in the world; there are plenty of less-developed countries that have worse systems than America's. But when the United States is compared against peer countries like France and Canada it does not come out well. It comes out the very worst.

A new Commonwealth Fund report looks at how the United States stacks up against other countries on things like access to doctors and quality of care. It pulls from three separate surveys conducted over the past three years: a 2011 survey of sicker patients, a 2012 survey of doctors and a 2013 survey of adults over 18. It also uses health outcome data from the OECD and World Health Organization. This means it captures the experience of the medical system from the people who use it a lot, those who use it a little and the doctors treating them.

America ranks worst overall

The American health care system came in last both in the overall rankings, which pull together data on 11 specific measures of success for a health care system. This includes metrics like how easily residents can access health care, if that medical care is affordable and if its effective.

There was no measure where the United States came in first place — our best ranking was coming in third in the effectiveness of our medicine (more on what this means later).

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

 

[jillian]

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst

The United States comes in dead last in a new, international ranking of health care systems from a top health-care non-profit.

This doesn't mean that we're the worst in the world; there are plenty of less-developed countries that have worse systems than America's. But when the United States is compared against peer countries like France and Canada it does not come out well. It comes out the very worst.

A new Commonwealth Fund report looks at how the United States stacks up against other countries on things like access to doctors and quality of care. It pulls from three separate surveys conducted over the past three years: a 2011 survey of sicker patients, a 2012 survey of doctors and a 2013 survey of adults over 18. It also uses health outcome data from the OECD and World Health Organization. This means it captures the experience of the medical system from the people who use it a lot, those who use it a little and the doctors treating them.

America ranks worst overall

The American health care system came in last both in the overall rankings, which pull together data on 11 specific measures of success for a health care system. This includes metrics like how easily residents can access health care, if that medical care is affordable and if its effective.

There was no measure where the United States came in first place — our best ranking was coming in third in the effectiveness of our medicine (more on what this means later).

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

Categories like the following:

access
efficiency
equity
healthy lives​

don't measure the quality of healthcare. They measure how socialist it is, or they measure cultural issues that affect health.

The article doesn't explain how the other categories:

effective care
safe care
coordinated care
patient centered care​

are measured. Furthermore, the last two sound like bogus measures that don't really measure the quality of the care.

The only thing that really measures the quality of healthcare: ie, how many people who go into the hospital with a health issue come out with a successful resolution. The United States beats every other country by far in that category - the only one that matters to the patient.

In short, your article is bullshit propaganda.

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, and a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

 

[jillian]

Looks like this thread was dismantled in one post. Moreover, Vox appears to be a liberally slanted news site, jillian, simply by reading the headlines in the column on the right hand side of the screen and on the front page. How do you expect us to think this is article is honest?

I just finished the Commonwealth overview, and it blatantly calls for universal healthcare. Moreover, only comparing us to 11 countries is a sorry excuse regarding an abstract for a study on the quality of healthcare. So as it stands, the Commonwealth Fund is being used as a mouthpiece for Obamacare. I cannot speak for the veracity of the study given such a development.

Obamacare is responsible for the drastic rise in healthcare costs anyhow.

really? how so?

once again... your declaring yourself victor without actually saying anything doesn't count.

try again.

 

[jillian]

It cost at least double today for me to cover my family than it did last year. That dang Bush!

no one believes that.

unless of course you had scam coverage before which only covered catastrophic care and now you have actual medical coverage.

 

[Toro]

Having been in both the American and Canadian systems, I would rather be in the American system.

But if I were poor or lower middle class, I'd rather be in Canada.

 

[jillian]

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst

The United States comes in dead last in a new, international ranking of health care systems from a top health-care non-profit.

This doesn't mean that we're the worst in the world; there are plenty of less-developed countries that have worse systems than America's. But when the United States is compared against peer countries like France and Canada it does not come out well. It comes out the very worst.

A new Commonwealth Fund report looks at how the United States stacks up against other countries on things like access to doctors and quality of care. It pulls from three separate surveys conducted over the past three years: a 2011 survey of sicker patients, a 2012 survey of doctors and a 2013 survey of adults over 18. It also uses health outcome data from the OECD and World Health Organization. This means it captures the experience of the medical system from the people who use it a lot, those who use it a little and the doctors treating them.

America ranks worst overall

The American health care system came in last both in the overall rankings, which pull together data on 11 specific measures of success for a health care system. This includes metrics like how easily residents can access health care, if that medical care is affordable and if its effective.

There was no measure where the United States came in first place — our best ranking was coming in third in the effectiveness of our medicine (more on what this means later).

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

so ezra klein and the people at Vox are crazy because you're too stupid to respond appropriately to anything that challenges your little rightwing fantasies.

 

[jillian]

Having been in both the American and Canadian systems, I would rather be in the American system.

But if I were poor or lower middle class, I'd rather be in Canada.

yes.

but i think it goes further than that. i don't consider a salary of six figures to be lower middle class, yet if there's a health crisis in the family, that income would be insufficient.

hence the problem

 

[Plasmaball]

Looks like this thread was dismantled in one post. Moreover, Vox appears to be a liberally slanted news site, jillian, simply by reading the headlines in the column on the right hand side of the screen and on the front page. How do you expect us to think this is article is honest?

I just finished the Commonwealth overview, and it blatantly calls for universal healthcare. Moreover, only comparing us to 11 countries is a sorry excuse regarding an abstract for a study on the quality of healthcare. So as it stands, the Commonwealth Fund is being used as a mouthpiece for Obamacare. I cannot speak for the veracity of the study given such a development.

Obamacare is responsible for the drastic rise in healthcare costs anyhow.

You didn't read it

 

[jillian]

Looks like this thread was dismantled in one post. Moreover, Vox appears to be a liberally slanted news site, jillian, simply by reading the headlines in the column on the right hand side of the screen and on the front page. How do you expect us to think this is article is honest?

I just finished the Commonwealth overview, and it blatantly calls for universal healthcare. Moreover, only comparing us to 11 countries is a sorry excuse regarding an abstract for a study on the quality of healthcare. So as it stands, the Commonwealth Fund is being used as a mouthpiece for Obamacare. I cannot speak for the veracity of the study given such a development.

Obamacare is responsible for the drastic rise in healthcare costs anyhow.

You didn't read it

shocking but he got to say the word "obamacare" so he's happy

no one i know has found a "drastic rise" in anything... well, except the cost of college loans.

 

[Stephanie]

don't like the health care here

move

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Worst healthcare in the world is the reason people flock here for healthcare from all over the world.

 

[francoHFW]

We changed your Pub scam of a system , hater dupes. If you don't like, YOU move, "no compromise, un-American TP GOP"- TIME...Pfffft!!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

We changed your Pub scam of a system , hater dupes. If you don't like, YOU move, "no compromise, un-American TP GOP"- TIME...Pfffft!!

You funny.

 

[bedowin62]

o-Care is a trainwreck leftard; just like your brain is after years of defending Obama's failures