Best Health Care, Huh?

[francoHFW]

You've got to PAY to PLAY. That's a very simple concept. If you cannot PAY, why would you expect someone to give you lunch, or housing, or anything else? Why is health care any different?

Personally, I'd die before I take any Government Health Care. At least I'd go to my grave with a clear conscience.

In my personal opinion, healthcare, like the defense of our nation, should not be a "for profit" industry. Insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their consumers, of the patients, of Americans...they look out only for their shareholders. That amounts, again in my personal opinion, to profiteering.

We have the best military in the world, right? That's what everyone says. Oddly enough, we have the best military in the world and it's not a business. It's not for profit.

Now imagine that we were putting the amount of money into our military that we are, but instead of having the best military, we rank towards the bottom. THAT is our healthcare system and you're just fine with it, but what if it were our military?

To this day I still have a problem with the concept of a family having to make the choice between the health/life of their child and bankruptcy.

No longer have to, except in mindless red states for a little while longer...you're welcome...

 

[Redfish]

We changed your Pub scam of a system , hater dupes. If you don't like, YOU move, "no compromise, un-American TP GOP"- TIME...Pfffft!!

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

I too am very sorry to hear that your mother suffered such treatment...however, the Affordable Care Act is not responsible nor is it "socialist" you do realize don't you? It's private insurance, not "government" care.

The VA is "socialist" and "government care". Care at VA hospitals, when you can get it, is among the best in the country. Care received by VA patients and Medicare patients are consistently rated the best in the US in patient satisfaction surveys.

So Steph, what would you like the option for your Mother on Medicare to have been? What would you like to see done to insure that people like your mother don't suffer under inadequate care?

what I highlighted in red is the crux of socialist medicine. We see it in the VA, and we will experience it under ACA if it is allowed to remain in force.

You get what you vote for. You voted for obama and a dem controlled congress for obozo's first two years-----------you got the worst piece of legislation in our history and we will all suffer from your ignorance.

 

[francoHFW]

O-Care may do away with crap policies and cost morons more, but finally the costs are in a down curve in future costs. This is the only period with any problems like that...

 

[Derideo_Te]

In my personal opinion, healthcare, like the defense of our nation, should not be a "for profit" industry. Insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their consumers, of the patients, of Americans...they look out only for their shareholders. That amounts, again in my personal opinion, to profiteering.

We have the best military in the world, right? That's what everyone says. Oddly enough, we have the best military in the world and it's not a business. It's not for profit.

Now imagine that we were putting the amount of money into our military that we are, but instead of having the best military, we rank towards the bottom. THAT is our healthcare system and you're just fine with it, but what if it were our military?

To this day I still have a problem with the concept of a family having to make the choice between the health/life of their child and bankruptcy.

No one in the USA was faced with that choice before ACA, but many could be after ACA.

you dumb libs don't understand what your messiah has shoved up your asses.

Too bad your ignorance doesn't deal with reality.

A child born with Cystic Fibrosis has a "pre-existing condition" and therefore the family cannot obtain coverage. The child needs to be hospitalized or it will die. They family could not afford the hospital bills without going into bankruptcy.

Just one scenario out of many that existed prior to the ACA outlawing the "pre-existing condition" denial of healthcare coverage. Leukemia, diabetes, renal failure, heart conditions all were denied coverage. That was the reality that your short term memory cannot recall.

 

[zeke]

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

jillian, I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this to you but health care is not a RIGHT in the United States. It never has been and hopefully never will be. Therefore "access" is something that is never likely to be where you want it to be.

See, here in the United States health care is an INDUSTRY. It's a BUSINESS. Therefore, those things which do not make the doctors, clinics, and hospitals money are not going to be offered. I understand that you and many others don't like that idea, so I've got a potential fix to the problem....

Move to Canada or the UK or France, or whichever other country has the system you most prefer and leave us AMERICANS to our own devices.

Hey dude, who were those regular American citizens that designed the for profit health care system that we now have? Was it you? I wan't consulted? Who was that you know?

Or are you just speaking out your ass when you imply that "us Americans" desire this convoluted for profit system that we have?

 

[Redfish]

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, that a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

Bullshit, NO one in the USA was denied medical care before obamacare. NO ONE. Even those here illegally were treated and it was FREE.

Yes, if you were getting it free, it was a little more inconvenient---------BFD, thats how free stuff works.

Obamacare has destroyed the good parts of american medical care and multiplied the bad parts---------oh, and it will cost more for everyone.

the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation. YOu dems own it.

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".

Too bad you don't know the difference between insurance and medical care. People with no insurance WERE and ARE receiveing treatment under medicaid, charities like St Jude, and in every ER in the country.

Just because someone dies from a medical problem does not mean they did not receive treatment. Medicine will not prevent any of us from eventually dying.

 

[Stephanie]

Sorry, hater dupes- you're ALREADY paying for everyone's health care, just in the stupidest, cruelest way possible, with 40k+ deaths....the courts have already ruled you can't be turned away from care, but no preventive care and bankruptcies is STUPID...

40,ooo death...now we get to pay for more DEATHS than that since abortions will now be included, but you don't count them as potential human being do you?

and hey guess what, WE ARE still paying for it for all as most of the ones signed up are being subsidized by TAXPAYERS under ObamaCare and we get the same system as what our VA is now going through

oh well right

 

[Seawytch]

In my personal opinion, healthcare, like the defense of our nation, should not be a "for profit" industry. Insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their consumers, of the patients, of Americans...they look out only for their shareholders. That amounts, again in my personal opinion, to profiteering.

We have the best military in the world, right? That's what everyone says. Oddly enough, we have the best military in the world and it's not a business. It's not for profit.

Now imagine that we were putting the amount of money into our military that we are, but instead of having the best military, we rank towards the bottom. THAT is our healthcare system and you're just fine with it, but what if it were our military?

To this day I still have a problem with the concept of a family having to make the choice between the health/life of their child and bankruptcy.

No one in the USA was faced with that choice before ACA, but many could be after ACA.

you dumb libs don't understand what your messiah has shoved up your asses.

Millions of Americans were faced with that and still are...but fewer will because they now have insurance to cover their medical bills.

Medical bankruptcy is unheard of in other developed nations.

 

[Seawytch]

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

I too am very sorry to hear that your mother suffered such treatment...however, the Affordable Care Act is not responsible nor is it "socialist" you do realize don't you? It's private insurance, not "government" care.

The VA is "socialist" and "government care". Care at VA hospitals, when you can get it, is among the best in the country. Care received by VA patients and Medicare patients are consistently rated the best in the US in patient satisfaction surveys.

So Steph, what would you like the option for your Mother on Medicare to have been? What would you like to see done to insure that people like your mother don't suffer under inadequate care?

what I highlighted in red is the crux of socialist medicine. We see it in the VA, and we will experience it under ACA if it is allowed to remain in force.

You get what you vote for. You voted for obama and a dem controlled congress for obozo's first two years-----------you got the worst piece of legislation in our history and we will all suffer from your ignorance.

Unfortunately, the ACA isn't socialist medicine...it's private insurance companies.

The crux for some VA's is Congress's inability to pass funding for them to increase the number of hospitals and doctors needed to care for all the returning victims of Bush's unnecessary wars.

 

[francoHFW]

Sorry, hater dupes- you're ALREADY paying for everyone's health care, just in the stupidest, cruelest way possible, with 40k+ deaths....the courts have already ruled you can't be turned away from care, but no preventive care and bankruptcies is STUPID...

40,ooo death...now we get to pay for more DEATHS than that since abortions will now be included, but you don't count them as potential human being do you?

and hey guess what, WE ARE still paying for it for all as most of the ones signed up are being subsidized by TAXPAYERS under ObamaCare and we get the same system as what our VA is now going through

oh well right

Absolutely WRONG as usual. Abortions NOT covered.

 

[Seawytch]

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

So Steph, what would you like the option for your Mother on Medicare to have been? What would you like to see done to insure that people like your mother don't suffer under inadequate care?

 

[Stephanie]

what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...

yea for socialist care

So Steph, what would you like the option for your Mother on Medicare to have been? What would you like to see done to insure that people like your mother don't suffer under inadequate care?

It doesn't matter anymore. I'm in the end of my life years
I just worry about my children...We've seen and heard of Englands socialist health care and it's as pretty as Medicaid, what's coming out on our Va , etc
I just worry about what my children will have to deal with

 

[Redfish]

I too am very sorry to hear that your mother suffered such treatment...however, the Affordable Care Act is not responsible nor is it "socialist" you do realize don't you? It's private insurance, not "government" care.

The VA is "socialist" and "government care". Care at VA hospitals, when you can get it, is among the best in the country. Care received by VA patients and Medicare patients are consistently rated the best in the US in patient satisfaction surveys.

So Steph, what would you like the option for your Mother on Medicare to have been? What would you like to see done to insure that people like your mother don't suffer under inadequate care?

what I highlighted in red is the crux of socialist medicine. We see it in the VA, and we will experience it under ACA if it is allowed to remain in force.

You get what you vote for. You voted for obama and a dem controlled congress for obozo's first two years-----------you got the worst piece of legislation in our history and we will all suffer from your ignorance.

Unfortunately, the ACA isn't socialist medicine...it's private insurance companies.

The crux for some VA's is Congress's inability to pass funding for them to increase the number of hospitals and doctors needed to care for all the returning victims of Bush's unnecessary wars.

Don't be so naive. ACA is socialized medicine. The govt is funding it, they are just using the insurance companies as the paying mechanism. Its a fraud, and you have bought into it. Since you are so gullible, I have some beachfront property for sale, its kind of swampy, but you can easily convert it to a sandy beach full of condos.


"Bush's unnecessary wars" love that talking point don't you? Its total bullshit since both parties authorized and funded them. Check you constitution, Bush or no president, could do that on his own-----------well, maybe obama could since he ignores the constitution.,

 

[Redfish]

To this day I still have a problem with the concept of a family having to make the choice between the health/life of their child and bankruptcy.

No one in the USA was faced with that choice before ACA, but many could be after ACA.

you dumb libs don't understand what your messiah has shoved up your asses.

Millions of Americans were faced with that and still are...but fewer will because they now have insurance to cover their medical bills.

Medical bankruptcy is unheard of in other developed nations.

Here's some truth for you, wytch. Yes, there are lots of bankrupcies in the USA, and many of them have unpaid medical bills---------but only a tiny % of them go bankrupt because of medical bills. the vast majority go bankrupt because of mortgages, car payments, credit cards, loss of a job, etc. Most doctors and hospitals write off unpaid bills rather than spend the money trying to collect them.

Once again, you repeat a left wing talking point that is based on a LIE.

 

[Seawytch]

So Steph, what would you like the option for your Mother on Medicare to have been? What would you like to see done to insure that people like your mother don't suffer under inadequate care?

It doesn't matter anymore. I'm in the end of my life years
I just worry about my children...We've seen and heard of Englands socialist health care and it's as pretty as Medicaid, what's coming out on our Va , etc
I just worry about what my children will have to deal with

You've heard bullshit on Fox.

Again, for the Fox viewers...In the United States two healthcare systems are consistently rated highest in patient satisfaction. Do you know what they are? Can you guess?

 

[Seawytch]

what I highlighted in red is the crux of socialist medicine. We see it in the VA, and we will experience it under ACA if it is allowed to remain in force.

You get what you vote for. You voted for obama and a dem controlled congress for obozo's first two years-----------you got the worst piece of legislation in our history and we will all suffer from your ignorance.

Unfortunately, the ACA isn't socialist medicine...it's private insurance companies.

The crux for some VA's is Congress's inability to pass funding for them to increase the number of hospitals and doctors needed to care for all the returning victims of Bush's unnecessary wars.

Don't be so naive. ACA is socialized medicine. The govt is funding it, they are just using the insurance companies as the paying mechanism. Its a fraud, and you have bought into it. Since you are so gullible, I have some beachfront property for sale, its kind of swampy, but you can easily convert it to a sandy beach full of condos.


"Bush's unnecessary wars" love that talking point don't you? Its total bullshit since both parties authorized and funded them. Check you constitution, Bush or no president, could do that on his own-----------well, maybe obama could since he ignores the constitution.,

No, the government isn't "funding it". Medicare was expanded in some states to help cover the cost of insuring the uninsured...which is cheaper than how their healthcare was previously delivered...in emergency rooms.

Are you aware that the uninsured rate in Massachusetts is now zero? I believe it is in Michigan where they now have a 95% insured rate in their state. The ACA is working as it was designed to. Could it be designed much better? Hell yes. It could include a public option.

Yes, they were Bush's unnecessary wars. It was Bush's faulty intelligence that lied...oops, led...Congress into going along with the plan. It was ill conceived and a huge mistake. Isn't it about time to own up to it?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Bullshit, NO one in the USA was denied medical care before obamacare. NO ONE. Even those here illegally were treated and it was FREE.

Yes, if you were getting it free, it was a little more inconvenient---------BFD, thats how free stuff works.

Obamacare has destroyed the good parts of american medical care and multiplied the bad parts---------oh, and it will cost more for everyone.

the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation. YOu dems own it.

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".

Too bad you don't know the difference between insurance and medical care. People with no insurance WERE and ARE receiveing treatment under medicaid, charities like St Jude, and in every ER in the country.

Just because someone dies from a medical problem does not mean they did not receive treatment. Medicine will not prevent any of us from eventually dying.

None as blind as those that refuse to see. Name one person without insurance prior to the ACA that received a life saving heart transplant from an ER. You can't because it never happened. The ER just patched them up and sent them back out to die at home when they got the ER bill.

 

[Redfish]

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".

Too bad you don't know the difference between insurance and medical care. People with no insurance WERE and ARE receiveing treatment under medicaid, charities like St Jude, and in every ER in the country.

Just because someone dies from a medical problem does not mean they did not receive treatment. Medicine will not prevent any of us from eventually dying.

None as blind as those that refuse to see. Name one person without insurance prior to the ACA that received a life saving heart transplant from an ER. You can't because it never happened. The ER just patched them up and sent them back out to die at home when they got the ER bill.

I personally know two people who received life saving double lung transplants and one who received life saving colon cancer surgery. none of them had insurance, none of them had any money.

Your talking points are LIES.

Those of us who pay, cover those who do not or cannot. ACA only makes it more expensive for everyone, and will result in actual denial of care to those deemed too old or too sick.

be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

 

[Redfish]

Unfortunately, the ACA isn't socialist medicine...it's private insurance companies.

The crux for some VA's is Congress's inability to pass funding for them to increase the number of hospitals and doctors needed to care for all the returning victims of Bush's unnecessary wars.

Don't be so naive. ACA is socialized medicine. The govt is funding it, they are just using the insurance companies as the paying mechanism. Its a fraud, and you have bought into it. Since you are so gullible, I have some beachfront property for sale, its kind of swampy, but you can easily convert it to a sandy beach full of condos.


"Bush's unnecessary wars" love that talking point don't you? Its total bullshit since both parties authorized and funded them. Check you constitution, Bush or no president, could do that on his own-----------well, maybe obama could since he ignores the constitution.,

No, the government isn't "funding it". Medicare was expanded in some states to help cover the cost of insuring the uninsured...which is cheaper than how their healthcare was previously delivered...in emergency rooms.

Are you aware that the uninsured rate in Massachusetts is now zero? I believe it is in Michigan where they now have a 95% insured rate in their state. The ACA is working as it was designed to. Could it be designed much better? Hell yes. It could include a public option.

Yes, they were Bush's unnecessary wars. It was Bush's faulty intelligence that lied...oops, led...Congress into going along with the plan. It was ill conceived and a huge mistake. Isn't it about time to own up to it?

is the govt not funding it when they subsidize the premiums or put people on the medicaid list?

sure, some now have free insurance coverage------------free to them, not to us the taxpayers. Nothing has changed, except now we also have to pay for a huge govt beaurocracy.

the faulty intel was not "Bush's". it was belonged to the CIA and FBI, as well as the UK's MI5 and others. I did not realize how naive you are.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Too bad you don't know the difference between insurance and medical care. People with no insurance WERE and ARE receiveing treatment under medicaid, charities like St Jude, and in every ER in the country.

Just because someone dies from a medical problem does not mean they did not receive treatment. Medicine will not prevent any of us from eventually dying.

None as blind as those that refuse to see. Name one person without insurance prior to the ACA that received a life saving heart transplant from an ER. You can't because it never happened. The ER just patched them up and sent them back out to die at home when they got the ER bill.

I personally know two people who received life saving double lung transplants and one who received life saving colon cancer surgery. none of them had insurance, none of them had any money.

Your talking points are LIES.

Those of us who pay, cover those who do not or cannot. ACA only makes it more expensive for everyone, and will result in actual denial of care to those deemed too old or too sick.

be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

I notice that you failed to state that they received those surgeries via the ER. Your lying by omission says volumes.

Denial of healthcare was rampant before the ACA. With ACA coverage the healthcare can be provided without having to go to the ER. Problems can be treated at a fraction of the cost. The ACA is far from perfect but it is a massive improvement over the profit driven denial system that you supported.